Wikidata:Property proposal/MTV Germany artist ID

MTV Germany artist ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: MTV Germany artist ID (P7641) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for an artist on MTV Germany site
Represents	MTV Germany (Q320087)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295)
Allowed values	[a-z0-9]{6}
Example 1	Basshunter (Q383541) → ilhzlz
Example 2	Stromae (Q313453) → 7ilnye
Example 3	Sean Paul (Q200577) → rphu3f
Source	http://www.mtv.de/kuenstler
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	putting value to artists available from the MTV Germany site
Number of IDs in source	> 13500 (circa)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.mtv.de/kuenstler/$1
See also	Billboard artist ID (P4208)

Motivation

Property for artists included in MTV Germany. Eurohunter (talk) 10:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

MTV France (http://www.mtv.fr/musique/artiste/_/ilhzlz) and MTV Spain (http://www.mtv.es/musica/artista/_/ilhzlz) has the same ids but different content. Schould they be requested individually or merged? If merged which one would be "the main" id? Eurohunter (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Support David (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
•  Support --Trade (talk) 21:25, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
•  Conditional support  Support No merge: Not the same broadcasters. Music listened in the country concerned, so not in the same language. Different TLDs. —Eihel (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Eihel: MusicBrainz artist ID (P434) is merged with BBC Music artist ID but both are in English. Eurohunter (talk) 09:58, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eihel: Have you source for number of ids? Eurohunter (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eurohunter: Under Source, probably. And you, did you follow external links or cancel at random? It is necessary:

  • what I put
  • or a * at the beginning of the external link.

  With *, you get too much response. And in the state, no response is obtained. Choose. —Eihel (talk) 00:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eihel: Did you counted all 13500 from A to 9? Eurohunter (talk) 07:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  According to you, Eurohunter? Do you think I'm crazy enough to count all entries one by one? Did you notice "circa" on the line? This is an indication for the future Property:

number of records	13500 edit sourcing circumstances greater than (← most of the time : circa) point in time 24 August 2019 1 reference URL http://www.mtv.de/kuenstler add reference
		add value

n-pages x n-element = approximate total number —Eihel (talk) 11:34, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• As well @Eurohunter: there will always be artists, so always incomplete (Q21873886) —Eihel (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  I thought it refers to individual artist id (has one id or few in one database). Eurohunter (talk) 07:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• external links is bad —Eihel (talk) 02:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  How it is bad? Eurohunter (talk) 07:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  external links = www.mtv.de/kuenstler/ gives results. Why did you erase it? (*.mtv.de/kuenstler/ gives too many results and mtv.de/kuenstler/ gives no result) —Eihel (talk) 09:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eihel: www is redudant in this case. Eurohunter (talk) 09:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eihel: I spot it in past proposal and followed. Then there should be full url with "http://".  Done Eurohunter (talk) 10:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eurohunter: What redundancy are you talking about ?! The idea is to find the WP pages likely to be linked to this identifier. external link does not go in the property, but in the TP of the property. This is used to add identifiers to items connected by WP. Do not add http://, it is already defaulted on WP pages. Moreover, if it works here, for other cases, it will not work! I touched your proposal to help and not to deteriorate: do not feel outraged. It's really www.mtv.de/kuenstler/ that needs to be put. —Eihel (talk) 10:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  @Eihel: There can't be http automatically because half or majority web pages use https protocol. http, https or without http and https has different targets. Eurohunter (talk) 10:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

  Do you still think I'm inventing, Eurohunter? No: "…jeśli nie podano, domyślny to http://", from your own wiki! Hence the interest of the * I quoted above. I am not at my first creation of Property. —Eihel (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Eurohunter, Trade, Eihel:  Done: MTV Germany artist ID (P7641). − Pintoch (talk) 07:10, 29 November 2019 (UTC)