Property talk:P4638

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The Peerage person ID
identifier for a person on The Peerage genealogical website
Applicable "stated in" valueThe Peerage (Q21401824)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuesp[1-9]\d*\.htm\#i[1-9]\d*
ExampleArthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (Q131691) → p10256.htm#i102559
Anne Boleyn (Q80823) → p10150.htm#i101493
Charles the Great (Q3044) → p10107.htm#i101064
Charles III (Q43274) → p1.htm#i1
Sourcehttps://www.thepeerage.com/
Formatter URLhttps://wikidata-externalid-url.toolforge.org/?p=4638&url_prefix=https://www.thepeerage.com/&id=$1
https://www.thepeerage.com/$1
See alsogenealogics.org person ID (P1819), WeRelate person ID (P4159), Kindred Britain ID (P3051), FamilySearch person ID (P2889)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total1,562,760
Main statement719,720 out of 755,668 (95% complete)46.1% of uses
Qualifier8<0.1% of uses
Reference843,03253.9% of uses
Search for values
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Single value, SPARQL
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
Format “p\d \.htm(\#[ci]\d (\.\d)?)?”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Format “p[1-9]\d*\.htm\#i[1-9]\d*”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Format, SPARQL
Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Item P21, search, SPARQL
Qualifiers “subject named as (P1810), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), identifier shared with (P4070)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4638#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Pattern ^(p\d \.htm\#)c(\d )(\.\d)?$ will be automatically replaced to \1i\2.
Testing: TODO list

Errors needed to be fixed at the Peerage

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Errors fixed at Wikidata and need to be fixed at the Peerage

Statistics

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P4638 on values

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Property Values with P4638 Values without P4638 %without ref
spouse (P26) ⇔ 421028 5191 1.2 w wo symmetric
father (P22) 232620 9558 3.9 w wo
mother (P25) 155172 11328 6.8 w wo
sibling (P3373) 26397 8340 24 w wo symmetric
relative (P1038) 2442 1002 29.1 w wo
unmarried partner (P451) 714 713 50 w wo symmetric

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject_Genealogy#Identifiers on values

Maintenance

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Some queries

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Progress

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English Wikipedia articles without ID

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(false positive may exist)

Cleanup required

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Discussion

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TP discussions at Project Chat

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formatter URL

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@ArthurPSmith: Why did you employ the https://wikidata-externalid-url.toolforge.org/ for this property? The straightforward http://www.thepeerage.com/$1 seems to work. --99of9 (talk) 02:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@99of9: It must have been requested by somebody else, I assume because the Wikidata software doesn't correctly handle the '#' character in these ID's. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith: In what situations does the # mess up WD software? Was it failing to actually link the pages when http://www.thepeerage.com/$1 was the primary formatter? Do you know if there is a phabricator task? --99of9 (talk) 14:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@99of9: I believe it replaces the '#' and other special characters with HTML encoding, which doesn't work when you hit the server with such a URL. There are other characters for which people have to use the toolforge link similarly. There are a number of phab tasks relating to the formatter URL but I haven't particularly paid attention; it would be nice to get this fixed, but on the other hand there's probably some underlying reason for it that makes it tricky. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SSL

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The site is available in https so have added "S" to the http part of URL as good security practice Back ache (talk) 11:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Description fix

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Please note Wikidata:Bot_requests#request_to_add_YOB_and/or_YOD_to_TP_descriptions_(2021-09-01). --- Jura 12:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with an item not corresponding to the Peerage page

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Hello,

I stumble upon Thomas Leahy (Q76189140) where the identifier is linking to the wrong person (totally different, different first name and last name). I'm not sure what happened (are the identifier not stable and perennial? and/or was there something wrong with GZWDer bot?) and what to do about it (we can't just remove the identifier as every statements on the item also comes from the Peerage, should we just delete it?).

I'm not sure how many items are in the same case (at least it's alleged father Cornelius Leahy (Q76189141), husband Margaret Ryan (Q76189137) and daughters, Catherine Imelda Leahy (Q76189142) and Stone Crabs (Q7618914), have the same problem ; but maybe it's limited to this family).

Pinging top user of this property: @Charles Matthews, Melderick, Magnus Manske, Matlin, Andrew Gray:

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 13:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @VIGNERON. Yes sometimes, persons on TP are deleted or merged in another one and the identifiers are reassigned to other people.
I will look more closely for this case. Melderick (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok having looked more closely, it really appears that TP decided to remove these persons. This is not that weird as TP is using personal e-mails as source for many obscure persons.
I would advise to follow TP and delete items Cornelius Leahy (Q76189141), Thomas Leahy (Q76189140), Catherine Imelda Leahy (Q76189142) and Q76189144 .
As for the wife Q76189137 , it seems it was renamed to a more feminine name Margaret, and the rest of her family seems fine. Should we keep its item or re-create a new one ? From a data point of view I would advise to delete it as well (eventually re-create a new one for Margaret), but I wouldn't see anything wrong if we keep the item. Melderick (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Melderick: thanks. I'll propose these to deletion then (including the wife as repurposing is always problematic).
Is there a way to track these reassignments? and are they frequent?
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@VIGNERON, we track them with reason for deprecated rank (P2241) = reassigned identifier value (Q72951433).
See https://w.wiki/ADMk. Melderick (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Melderick: I meant track the change inside The Peerage itself (so we can reflect it inside Wikidata).
Meanwhile, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) find other sources for these people ; I'm concerned by the repurposing of Margaret Ryan (Q76189137) but otherwise it's good so I guess we could keep the items.
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 09:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The info on Margaret Ryan (Q76189137) was correct, but labeled as "Thomas" at Wikidata, Thomas already had an already at Wikidata. Margaret's marriage to Walter George Strickland is The Peerage connection for the family. There originally was a linking error in the family where two men were listed as married, it looks like it was easier to just delete, and start over with them in the future. This has happened before, we asked that he not repurpose his old numbers, but he prefers the recycling method. At one time he was correcting errors in real time, but as more and more errors were pointed out, he has fallen way behind, and our list keeps growing. --RAN (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirector no longer working

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The wikidata-externalid-url redirector for this property is no longer working. I have sent emails to those I've corresponded with in the past as this is a recurring issue. Including ArthurPSmith. No updates as of yet. Thosbsamsgom (talk) 12:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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