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W3C TAG meeting 19-21 October 2010 in Mountain View, CA, USA

The TAG on the Conference Bike: Tim Berners-Lee, Jonathan Rees, Henry Thompson, Ashok Malhotra, John Kemp, Dan Appelquist, Noah Mendelsohn, Larry Masinter, Yves Lavon, T.V. Raman (partly hidden), Hubbel

Agenda Summary

Logistics

Preparation

See "(required reading)" annotations in agenda items below.

Agenda Details

1. Convene, review agenda
   • Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up by email in advance of the meeting
   • Roll call
   • F2F Main Goals:
     • Make progress on writing related to Web Application Architecture
     • XML / HTML integration
     • Other technical topics
2. ISSUE-66 (mimeAndWeb-66-27): IETF Draft on MIME and the Web
   • Warning: Larry may update the draft prior to the F2F
   • Goal:
     • Review draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00 Internet Media Types and the Web (Required reading)
   • Background:
     • ACTION-467: on - Larry Masinter - Revise Mime & Web blog entry, perhaps leading to Internet Draft - Due: 2010-09-21 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-458: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate with IETF on MIME-type related activities - Due: 2010-09-28 - PENDING REVIEW
     • Larry writes: I've submitted the document to Internet Drafts - - it should show up at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00
     • Previous version (blog posting).
     • During discussion on 23 Sept. 2010 it was agreed that TAG members would read http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00 and be prepared for detailed discussion today.
     • Discussion on 30 Sept. 2010
     • Comments from Eric Bowman
3. ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54): HTML / XML Unification
   • Goals:
     • Review June 2010 TAG decision to endorse task to drive reunification of XML and HTML
     • Work with Tim to decide most effective next steps on his ACTION-437
   • Background:
     • Note from T.V. Raman
     • ACTION-433: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Help Tim get in touch with staff etc. re XML/HTML unification - Due: 2010-05-28 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-427: on - John Kemp - Read 4 distributed extensibility proposals and summarize them w.r.t. proposals TAG has discussed to date - Due: 2010-11-01 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-437: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Create a task force on XML / HTML convergence - Due: 2010-06-14 - OPEN
     • Discussion on 7 June 2010 F2F: "TAG recommends the formation of a task force to drive the reunification of XML and HTML"
     • HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guidelines (draft from HTML WG)
     • September/October 2010 HMTL WG poll on distributed extensibility
     • TAG endorses "like SVG" extension mechanism for HTML5
4. ISSUE-39 (rdfURIMeaning-39-27): Generic Fragment ID Processing
   • The TAG developed a change proposal for RFC 3023bis at the June TAG 2010 F2F (London). Several commentators expressed concern with the TAG's proposal, and we promised to take up these concerns in Sept.. We had some discussion on 16 Sept. 2010, but that was not conclusive.
   • Earlier actions:
     • ACTION-449: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment IDs in application/xxx xml media types (self-assigned) - Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-450: on - Yves Lafon - Investigate generic processing of svg xml and XHTML xml - Due: 2010-07-01 - CLOSED
     • ACTION-453: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Let 3023bis folks know that we are aiming to resolve generic processing concerns in Sept, after Larry returns. - Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
   • Earlier technical discussion:
     • Concerns expressed by Norm Walsh and others regarding TAG Proposal on Generic processing of Fragment IDs for xml formats
     • Discussion on 24 June 2010, discussion on 15 July, 19 August 2010, and 16 September 2010.
     • Email from Larry Masinter and thread following from that
     • Email: fragment processing for SVG, from Yves Lafon.
     • Discussion on 30 September 2010
   • ACTION-466: on - Larry Masinter - Ask Norm, Roy and Martin for concrete use cases where generic processing of fragment ids is important - Due: 2010-10-12 - OPEN
   • Larry sent a message to Norm Walsh, Roy Fielding and Martin Durst, et. al.; response from Norm Walsh and thread following from that (required reading)
   • Email from Ivan Herman clarifying that there appears to be no XML Schema [or DTD] for RDF/XML that has formal standing
5. ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Adam Barth E-mail Review
   • Goal:
     • Discuss Adam Barth email "Change proposal for (HTML WG) ISSUE - 56"
   • Background:
     • ACTION-448: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule discussion of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jun/0394.html on 26 August (followup to 24 June and 12 August discussion) - Due: 2010-10-12 - PENDING REVIEW
     • Previous discussion on 24 June 2010, 12 August 2010, and 2 September 2010
6. Privacy on the Web
   • Goals:
     • Consider implications of recent developments relating to Web privacy and HTML5
     • Consider TAG involvement or input to upcoming privacy workshop
     • Consider TAG Finding on Privacy
   • Background:
     • Required reading: Email thread on "Evercookies"
     • Additional reading: New York Times Article New Web Code Draws Concern Over Privacy Risks (registration required)
     • ACTION-460: on - Daniel Appelquist - Coordinate with IAB regarding next steps on privacy policy - Due: 2010-10-12 - OPEN
     • ACTION-470: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Ask Thomas about TAG involvement in privacy workshop - Due: 2010-09-30 - CLOSED (Email from Noah to Thomas Roessler
7. ISSUE-63 (metadataArchitecture-63): Metadata Architecture
   • Goals:
     • Discuss new writing on metadata (to be supplied)
     • Consider next steps on metadata
   • Background:
     • Required reading: items listed in Larry Masinter's suggested list of readings on metadata
     • ACTION-282: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a finding on metadata architecture. - Due: 2010-10-21 - OPEN
     • Telcon discussion on 16 September 2010 (note that F2F discussion is requested
8. Web Application Architecture: Overview
   • Goals:
     • Make a clearer plan for the content, form, and expected publication date of TAG deliverables relating to Web Applications
   • Background:
     • ACTION-434: on - Daniel Appelquist - Prepare discussion of structure of what we want to do about web apps architecture... - Due: 2010-10-18 - OPEN
     • May 2010 notes from DanA on ACTION-434: Web Application Architecture (these were prepared for the June 2010 F2F
     • Email thread beginning with: Re: ACTION-434: Some notes on organizing discussion on WebApps architecture
     • Email from Larry Masinter: progress on web applications architecture: a few thoughts
9. Web Application Architecture: Client-side state
   • Goals:
     • Review and refine Ashok Malhotra's writeup on client-side state
     • Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on issues relating to client side state (note that the discussion of privacy and Evercookies is related, but the "state" discussion is broader than just privacy concerns)
   • Background:
     • Required readding: Client-side Storage by Ashok Malhotra (announcement of draft availability)
     • ACTION-430: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose a plan for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state - Due: 2010-09-09 - OPEN
10. Web Application Architecture: Design of APIs for Web Applications
    • Goals:
      • Review and refine Dan Appelquists' writeup on API design
      • Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on Design of APIs for Web Applications
    • Background:
      • Required reading:>Dan Appelquist writeup on API Design - late addition to the agenda (announcement email)
      • ACTION-461: on - Daniel Appelquist - Draft "finding" on Web Apps API design - Due: 2010-10-31 - OPEN
11. ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Domain name persistence
    • Goals:
      • Review Persistent Reference on the Web, by Jonathan Rees 13 October 2010
      • Consider late arriving proposal from Henry Thompson on Best Practice for use of http "manifestations" for non-native http identifiers
      • Decide next steps, if any, for TAG work on hyperlink persistence
    • Background:
      • Required reading: Persistent Reference on the Web, by Jonathan Rees 13 October 2010
      • ACTION-444: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a white paper on link persistence - Due: 2010-10-11 - OPEN
      • ACTION-414: on - Henry S. Thompson - Prepare a draft agenda, including goals and means, for a proposed afternoon session with invited guests, and circulate for discussion prior to a decision, on the subject of addressing the persistence of domain names - Due: 2010-06-01 - CLOSED
      • June 2010 F2F discussion of domain name persistence
      • Late addition: Email from Henry Thompson requesting TAG support for Best Practice for use of http "manifestations" for non-native http identifiers
12. ISSUE-57 (HttpRedirections-57): Redirecting to a secondary resource
    • Goals:
      • Decide what the "right answer" is to A#B when A is redirected to C#D
      • Decide what the TAG should do to promote good practice regarding such redirections
    • Background:
      • ACTION-462: on - Yves Lafon - Write draft of best practices on redirection for secondary resources (with help from Tim) - Due: 2010-10-05 - PENDING REVIEW
      • Required reading: Email from Yves Lafon on redirection of secondary resources and thread following from that.
      • ACTION-456: on - Yves Lafon - Locate past HTTP WG discussion on Location: A#B change, and make the TAG aware of it - Due: 2010-08-17 - CLOSED
      • Email from Yves: Fragments in HTTP redirects
      • Technical discussion on 12 August, and 2 September 2010
13. ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Status update on issue IRIEverywhere and IRIbis work at IETF
    • Goals:
      • On 2 Sept. 2010, Henry Thompson requested a F2F update on IRI
    • Background:
      • ACTION-459: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule F2F discussion of IRIbis status and Larry's proposal - Due: 2010-10-05 - OPEN
      • ACTION-410: on - Larry Masinter - Let the TAG know whether and when the IRIEverywhere plan in HTML WG went as planned - Due: 2010-11-01 - OPEN
14. TAG Hosts Jon Ferraiolo:
    • Jon Ferraiolo will be visiting
15. Administrative issues:
    • Approve minutes of 7 Oct 2010 teleconference
    • TAG election
    • Future TAG F2F meetings
      • Decide Winter TAG F2F location and dates
      • Plan for Lyon TPAC participation
16. Action item review:
    • Pending review actions in Tracker
    • Overdue actions in Tracker
    • Open actions in Tracker