Gen Z/many liberal fauxminists are too young to remember how mainstream liberal feminism on the internet actually started.

The internet culture for what you now call social justice was, overwhelmingly, feminists versus MRAs. There was barely any gay rights conversations going on (which did grow over time), and gender identity as a concept seriously did not exist online. There was zero conversations about gender identity this or gender that.

It was men's rights activists arguing that women have it better, women oppress men, social issues like domestic violence actually are covering up that men are really the victims, etc. Think of this platfom seriously being splintered as MRAs versus who you currently label as terfs. Those were the two large warring populations for years.

Then, MRAs started pushing this concept of egalitarianism. Egalitarianism became popular. That looked like "well men and women both suffer, but especially men" and "the goal shouldn't be women's rights it should be egalitarianism". What eventually happened was the slightly younger population of girls for the first time joining the internet and finding their way to feminist discussions slightly conceded and started arguing from the perspective of "feminist egalitarianism" and identifying as such, arguing from the perspective of equal treatment of men and women while still recognizing that women suffer under patriarchy.

And that's essentially how "gender equality/lipstick feminism" originated on the internet and it's a load of shit. The MRAs essentially won in maintaining the status quo, because mainstream "feminists" no longer are recognizing that males are treated as the default, standard for equality. That male supremacist ideas, male culture, and male treatment of women are considered the neutral baseline. Women not being considered oppressed at all ("men are equally oppressed too!") is normalized. Feminism shifting away from women and equally onto men to benefit their current power structure isn't feminism or really even egalitarianism—it's the male oppressor class taking control.

I can verify as I was there. I remember posting art on deviantart and some mra finding it and learning I was a woman and commenting awful things on my art posts. I responded with how those things about women werent true and he called me a feminazi. I remember saying “if the only choice I have is believing what you’re saying or being a feminazi, then I’ll be a feminazi.” And getting SO MUCH heat for it.

Terf is the newest name for feminazi, proven by how often we’re still called nazis.

There isn't "citations" for these experiences as this was pre internet archiving and journalism exactly wasn't keyed into internet social forums.

I'd also like to point out that oral history is just as an important body of knowledge as processes in western science.

uses my insane musscle memory to open 4 wrong apps in a row

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: "Fuck boomers."/"Middle aged and older women who complain are Karens."

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: *places no focus on age or human experiences with age in human rights*

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: *barely hears older people when they speak, dismisses them as out of touch*

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: Condescendingly "educates" or scolds older people on pronouns. Makes demands on other people perceiving them a certain way.

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: "DECOLONIZATION"

Native people: Elders always called to eat first during dinners, elders generally first priority in community planning and health projects, elders emphasized as not being cast aside in tribal values, when an elder talks to you work can wait, when an elder talks to you at work it is comsidered paid time not wasted time, reserved parking for elders in front of on-reservation stores, when an elder (usually anyone 55+) passes away some tribes entirely shut down in remembrance and for the funeral, being humble a core tenant in most Native values, etc.

This is clownish. Karens are white old Republicans who hate black people. Why tf would I respect them enough to let them eat first at the dinner table. Also don't indigenous cultures recognize nonbinary ppl? Lmao

No, as a Tribal government employee, white ideology isn't a focus of Indigenous cultures. There's a total of two posts on your blog, this reply being one. You're a troll, likely from 4Chan or Reddit—blocked.

Hmmmm, employee. But not a member? Lol

Sorry, I don't feed 4Chan trolls. Keep commenting, happy to keep reporting.

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: "Fuck boomers."/"Middle aged and older women who complain are Karens."

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: *places no focus on age or human experiences with age in human rights*

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: *barely hears older people when they speak, dismisses them as out of touch*

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: Condescendingly "educates" or scolds older people on pronouns. Makes demands on other people perceiving them a certain way.

Liberal fauxminists and trans activists: "DECOLONIZATION"

Native people: Elders always called to eat first during dinners, elders generally first priority in community planning and health projects, elders emphasized as not being cast aside in tribal values, when an elder talks to you work can wait, when an elder talks to you at work it is comsidered paid time not wasted time, reserved parking for elders in front of on-reservation stores, when an elder (usually anyone 55+) passes away some tribes entirely shut down in remembrance and for the funeral, being humble a core tenant in most Native values, etc.

This is clownish. Karens are white old Republicans who hate black people. Why tf would I respect them enough to let them eat first at the dinner table. Also don't indigenous cultures recognize nonbinary ppl? Lmao

No, as a Tribal government employee, white ideology isn't a focus of Indigenous cultures. There's a total of two posts on your blog, this reply being one. You're a troll, likely from 4Chan or Reddit—blocked.

Come on my handsome and beautiful gals, let's get this signed.

Gen Z/many liberal fauxminists are too young to remember how mainstream liberal feminism on the internet actually started.

The internet culture for what you now call social justice was, overwhelmingly, feminists versus MRAs. There was barely any gay rights conversations going on (which did grow over time), and gender identity as a concept seriously did not exist online. There was zero conversations about gender identity this or gender that.

It was men's rights activists arguing that women have it better, women oppress men, social issues like domestic violence actually are covering up that men are really the victims, etc. Think of this platfom seriously being splintered as MRAs versus who you currently label as terfs. Those were the two large warring populations for years.

Then, MRAs started pushing this concept of egalitarianism. Egalitarianism became popular. That looked like "well men and women both suffer, but especially men" and "the goal shouldn't be women's rights it should be egalitarianism". What eventually happened was the slightly younger population of girls for the first time joining the internet and finding their way to feminist discussions slightly conceded and started arguing from the perspective of "feminist egalitarianism" and identifying as such, arguing from the perspective of equal treatment of men and women while still recognizing that women suffer under patriarchy.

And that's essentially how "gender equality/lipstick feminism" originated on the internet and it's a load of shit. The MRAs essentially won in maintaining the status quo, because mainstream "feminists" no longer are recognizing that males are treated as the default, standard for equality. That male supremacist ideas, male culture, and male treatment of women are considered the neutral baseline. Women not being considered oppressed at all ("men are equally oppressed too!") is normalized. Feminism shifting away from women and equally onto men to benefit their current power structure isn't feminism or really even egalitarianism—it's the male oppressor class taking control.

I can verify as I was there. I remember posting art on deviantart and some mra finding it and learning I was a woman and commenting awful things on my art posts. I responded with how those things about women werent true and he called me a feminazi. I remember saying “if the only choice I have is believing what you’re saying or being a feminazi, then I’ll be a feminazi.” And getting SO MUCH heat for it.

Terf is the newest name for feminazi, proven by how often we’re still called nazis.

im sorry rad fems sold you the lie that butches are only Non Threatening (TM) cis women with short hair who wear T-shirts and jeans with a carabiner, but the reality of the situation is a lot of butches are trans, genderqueer, physically imposing, big, male impersonators, hairy (especially including facial hair), sweaty, muscular, "ugly" and/or fat. some butches are into extreme body modification. some went bald. some are body builders. some are transfem butches who don't wanna overperform womanhood, take estrogen, or medically transition. some butches start testosterone strictly to feel more like a butch. some butches pass as cis men, and some need to do so in order to feel like their butch selves. soft butches are great, but that's not the "One Right Way" to be butch. the butches i'm attracted to would make a rad fem scream and cry and piss themselves on the floor.

You are attracted to them. And also, if they are of the male sex—"AMAB" or "OMAB" for those of you too enlightened to understand what that means—then they are not butch.

It's perfectly fine to be attracted to males and these males can believe as hard as they can that they're AFAB/OFAB/women. You can believe as hard as you can, too.

The world is still round and they're still not butch lesbians.

detective: [kneels down looking over a dead body] hm. gross

"Men only receive flowers at their funeral" And at least 12 million girls become child brides every year. The most dangerous place for a woman to be, statistically, is at home with her husband. 1 in 3 women experience sexual or physical violence in their lifetime. If you truly cared about men not receiving flowers, if that was an issue that was genuinely close to your heart, then buy your homies a bouquet. But you won't. Because that's "gay".

"Men only recieve flowers at their funeral"

You can buy each other some with the extra money you earn from the dollar you make to my eighty cents just by virtue of being male, lol.

"Men only receive flowers at their funeral"

You're rapidly killing all of the flowers and wildlife by polluting and destroying through the corporations and industries you overwhelmingly lead and control, and you're creating your own funerals through wars and homicides.

@ terfs and radfems who are pro-gender abolition but don’t believe in nonbinary people, why?

Firstly, because saying you are a thing doesn’t make you that thing if you aren’t. If you say you’re a vegan but you regularly eat meat, then you’re not a vegan. If you claim to be a Democrat but vote for Republicans, you’re not a Democrat. If you say you’re a doctor but you don’t have a degree, you are lying. Definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive. You are either male or female. As such, you are free to dress and express yourself however you want, gender-conforming or non-conforming, but that doesn’t mean you belong to an entirely different sex category.

Secondly, if you’re using “nonbinary” to describe gender (i.e. gender roles), not sex, then it’s a worthless term because no one is binary. I challenge you to find even one person who is either 100% masculine manly man stereotype with absolutely zero “feminine” traits, or a woman who is 100% “feminine”. If you can, then, congrats, literally everyone else in the world who falls between those two extremes is nonbinary. But you can’t, because what is “masculine” and “feminine” varies from culture to culture so you don’t even have a solid benchmark with which to work. Which makes everyone “nonbinary”. And if everyone’s “nonbinary”, then the word is useless.

Being pro gender-abolition and being nonbinary are incompatible because expressing that you are nonbinary enforces gender roles. “I do not subscribe to female gender roles, therefore I am not a woman!” is far less progressive than, “I am a woman, and I will behave and dress how I like, even if it violates sex stereotypes.”

And lastly, it’s not that we “don’t believe in” nonbinary people, like they’re Bigfoot or something. They exist. They just aren’t what they claim to be. They’re each either male or female and pretending to be something else.

Being pro gender-abolition and being nonbinary are incompatible because expressing that you are nonbinary enforces gender roles. “I do not subscribe to female gender roles, therefore I am not a woman!” is far less progressive than, “I am a woman, and I will behave and dress how I like, even if it violates sex stereotypes.”

this boils it down in a nutshell

"Definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive."