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Makoto & Sayaka relationship : analysis

I already did analyze a major part of their relationship inside that drive which is an analysis of Makoto in chapter 1 so, I really recommend seeing that analysis in order to have a better understanding of their dynamic. It’s important as I wouldn’t have the need to say or repeat things I have already said. What’s to come, is like a part 2, a sequel of that analysis.

So what I’m gonna talk about ? Few things that couldn’t have been said in that analysis because I limited my scope to chapter 1

So the relationship between these two is simple but also complex. It’s one of the most well written relationship in Danganronpa franchise. Both are character from the extreme sides and that shouldn’t have met. But they met despite their differences.

Differences

Makoto is someone who is said to be ordinary and to have a degree of normalcy higher than the average person. Regarding, his personality in the first chapter, he seems to be not optimistic but quite critical of most ultimates once he met them as they don’t match his high expectations on them. Remember that while Makoto accepted his normalcy, he still had the ultimates in high regard as he thinks that they are superiors to him in the first place due their talent. But it’s not in an obsession way like Hajime. However, as we will see he doesn’t truly accept it as he said in regard to his relationship with Sayaka.

Of course, he doesn’t have a great opinion of himself. He seems to not have close friends at all which is weird and even his view on himself is weird not normal. At any instance if he does something good, his first reflex is to degrade his actions but also himself.

Finally, he wasn’t and isn’t popular at all and his anormal « normalcy » should explain why he isn’t popular at all: people ignore his existence or should have found him boring enough to not be friends with him. Sure, he must have few people who he talked with but most of these people as seen in Makoto’s secret file aren’t friends as only one of them is. In Makoto’s secret file, once Makoto lost the rock paper scissors with these people, he had to search for drinks, but he was met with multiples unfortunate events. So, the time he puts to buy at the grocery store should at least put an alarm on his friend, but we didn’t see at all after those several unfortunate events that impacted Makoto. His friend of his didn’t seem to come to see how he is doing. So, I can at least say that most of his friends are friends but not close friends.

While Sayaka is extraordinary and can be considered as a genius in her talent. There were four students that were considered to be very talented in their respective area in class 78 and Sayaka was among them. She is in the upper echelons in contrary to Makoto and excel. From her teenage years, she was already popular and now she has 100 million of « Sayakers » said by Komaru in UDG who a « Sayaker » (hyper-fan of Sayaka) and that it was solely in Japan. So, she was already extremely popular when Makoto and she was in the same class, as Makoto quotes during her first FTE that he couldn’t go near him as she was always with people. Here, the difference. Due to her popularity, she had many, many people around her most of her time which contrast with Makoto which due to his simplicity had almost none. Finally, she had close friends that she considered as family which isn’t the case of Makoto.

Similarities

At the end of the game, Makoto and Sayaka shares similarities and parallelize each others. Firstly, he is as popular than Sayaka if not more due to be the one to put an end to Junko and has close friends at the end of his journey.

Both becomes unattainable because of their status and have to be prudent with any actions they take. For example, Sayaka had to be prudent and wary for any actions she takes because she had a reputation to hold on too and a career to keep which is the case of Makoto. He became the ultimate hope and as a symbol hope must take actions that solidify his status. In fact, he is by the world and the Future Fondation, forced to act in a way that would give hope to the world. Makoto was confined at that role.

In addition both do bypass their roles and take actions that could considered to be bad by the world with how Sayaka did bad things to reach her level and how Makoto hid the remnants of despair and put them inside the neo world program without the FF consent. Mind you that these remnants are the ones to have put the world in such fate and has caused many tragedies to the people of this world.

Also Makoto as the ultimate hope does the things that Sayaka wanted to do in a greater scale which is to spread hope to people in need. Both are people at their core who cares about other people even though Sayaka is more selfish than Makoto.

Finally, only people close to them could understand them greatly. Nobody understands Sayaka more than her idols friends. Her true feelings was understood only by them and her classmates when she was in HPA before the killing game. As for Makoto except his friends nobody truly understands him and only see his outer self. I mean everybody saw him as that guy whose will is unparalleled and don’t give up even in dire situations but whose ideals are naive. But Makoto isn’t only that. He is also someone who regrets and has guilt that he repressed whether be in THH or in Dr3 which even his close friends didn’t seem to see. Even his views on hope and despair are misunderstood by a lot of people just like Munakata.

Emotions

I must talk about how Makoto felt when he was with Sayaka compared to the rest of the game. When he was with Sayaka, he genuinely seemed happy. As already established in the drive, Sayaka was essentially Makoto’s hope like Makoto was for Sayaka until the arrival of the motive video. But most of the time with Sayaka, he was really happy.

The FTE done with Sayaka shows how happy and shy he is in contrary to the rest of the game.

FTE 1 - Sayaka

- That smile... That mysterious smile that softens my heart... I really wasn't flattering her. That smile saved me.

- She laughed out loud as she said it. The closer we get, the stronger that smile of hers makes me. ...I was glad to feel that way.

FTE 2 - Sayaka

- When she smiled at me like that, I could feel my entire body filling with power. It was like her smile was a source of pure energy. My friendship with her is my one source of courage. My bond with her makes me stronger. So I have to do my best in here! For myself, and for Sayaka!

It’s only at the end of the game, when escaping that we see him smiling again. But it’s normal right, after her death and chapter 1, he is someone overwhelmed by guilt.

Or again it is shown in a DR’s original drama cd, how Maizono makes Naegi happy.

In this instance, Naegi asks Maizono to sing on the stage and she does so. Maizono helps Naegi setting the stage up by helping him with looking for the microphone. Naegi mentions at the end that he was able to smile for once in a long time thanks to her concert.

Finally, when the motive video came out, Makoto only truly cared for Sayaka and himself, not the others. It would be great. It was already shown in the main game but danganronpa If, reinforces that fact.

Danganronpa If

Anyway, we have to all work together and- huh?

He realized that his determination was slightly different.

We 'all' have to...?

Naturally, escaping the school with all of his classmates was the most ideal scenario. But other than Maizono, he had never met any one of his classmates before, and he had no idea if he could trust them. Yet for a moment, he found himself believing that they were people worth helping even at the cost of his own life, just like Maizono.

He wasn’t optimistic at all of all trustful in chapter 1. It’s a huge mistake made when talking about Makoto. Even if he tells you right off the bat that he is optimistic, in chapter 1, he isn’t and is more in denial than anything else most of the time. His abnormal optimistic nature grows throughout the game and reach his peak at chapter 6. But it wasn’t instantaneous like some would like to tell.

Makoto’s guilt

after chapter one, there is a shift in how he acts with people. I know it’s due to a major events of chapter one but he is more determined to end this killing game not only because he wants to stop the mastermind but also because he feels regret. Like he said he won’t forget the pain, the bad and the good of all the people who died in the killing game. But we can implicitly see the one that he certainly wouldn’t forget is Sayaka Maizono. It’s hidden from the main story but Makoto himself struggles a lot with the events of the chapter 1. This struggle is hidden through optional dialogues that isn’t essential to the main story but essential to get more from Makoto and understand his actions throughout the game. He expresses a lot of fear and regret when trying to go inside some rooms or when trying to interact with something. Here are some examples.

chapter 2, 1st day morning

Shower room

I shouldn’t turn my eyes away… from Maizono-san’s death…!

It is for Maizono-san…

And it is for me as well.

This shows how hurt he is. He thinks about her most of his time. He is here consumed by guilt which he hides actively from others who don’t mention it at all. As seen by those images, he wanted clearly to spend more time with Maizono and to cherish those precious moments with her but he won’t now.

But seems to not touch anything in his room. Like he didn’t clean his room during the entirety of the game as the lint roller is still there as well as the notepad. We can then deduce that even touching it make Makoto remembers of everything that happened in chapter 1 which is something he doesn’t want to actively remember so he doesn’t touch.

But despite all of that, he keeps moving forward because it’s what he promised to all the dead in this killing game in order to achieve their goal : to get out from this place. By memorizing the dead, Makoto gives them a second live. they lived through him and their ambition and will to get out remain still in Makoto Naegi.

He also has some places where he expresses his will to not go like the door to the elevator for the trial because it reminds him again everything which is something he actively doesn’t want to.

But we have to talk about another character who experienced the same loss than Makoto which is Taka

In chapter 3, he himself sympathize with Taka for his loss because both of them lost someone that they considered to be close to them. Makoto lost Sayaka in chapter 1 and was acting very emotional just like Taka when he learned during the trial that his first friend was a murderer. Both learn that their closest friends ended up betraying them in the trial.

However there is one key differences and it’s how they dealt with their loss.

While Makoto seems to deal very easily the death of Sayaka but it’s false. Indeed, he has a strong sense of guilt and regret which he hides. Most of the time, Makoto represses his guilt or trauma to himself and doesn’t express really what he’s going through to the others. It can be explain by the oath he takes at the end of chapter 1, where he swears to end the killing game. He wants to keep a strong face against the mastermind, he wants people to not kill so what’s better to show a strong and determined face to the others and the mastermind ?

However, Taka, though suffering the same loss, the loss of someone dear to him, reacted differently from Makoto. He shows expressively how hurt and sad he is at the end of chapter 2 when Mondo reveals himself to be the culprit. Although, Taka doesn’t have the same connection that Makoto had with Sayaka, Mondo was an important guy for him, after all he was his first friend. They confronted at first but also connected quickly and became very close. He even cries in front of everyone in trial 2 which Makoto doesn’t do intentionally when in front of Sayaka’s body in order to investigate or even do in trial 1. After that, we have chapter 3, where Taka is shown to be greatly affected by this loss, so affected that he become a husk of himself.

So we have an interesting parallel which contains not only similarities but also differences. I already pointed out how they deal with their loss : one repressing the guilt and the other expressing the guilt and sorrow externally. But I also must pointed out another difference which is the fact that Makoto succeeds to not be overwhelmed by the guilt and try to live with it while Taka fails to do exactly that and falls pretty much into depression. While Sayaka’s death pushed Makoto forward when he was down and didn’t involve himself into the killing game, Mondo’s death caused Taka to be down during a major part of chapter 3 whereas he was quite involved in the killing game so as to organize the group during chapters 1 and 2.

But seeing Taka like that made Makoto remembers about himself. He had sympathy for Taka and put himself to his place. He sees how the both of them are the same and how sad Taka is. Here an example :

Chapter 3

Taka hasn't said a word since everything that happened yesterday... One look at his face showed he hadn't slept a wink last night. It must be because of Mondo..

The two of them became so close, and then he finds out Mondo killed Chihiro... And then...having to watch Mondo get…punished. And nothing he could do about it... I can't even imagine what it must have done to him.

That’s why he is also pretty angry at Monokuma when he tricked Taka with the air purifier being a time machine. He had already an intense hatred and beef with Monokuma so it shouldn’t be surprising.

Chapter 3

Makoto : Air purifier...?

Monokuma : It can produce clean air no matter where you're at. With that thing, you could even live on Mars! But

what with the discombobulating gravity and deadly low temperatures, you prolly don't wanna live on Mars

Anyway, this machine is the reason you guys have all this delicious air. So don't go messing with it!

You break it, and it's your butt! *leaves*

This huge thing is just...an air purifier? And more than that...

Taka : …

To go out of your way to say something you know will hurt someone who's already suffering...

Makoto : God damn you!

He also tries to interact with him in two instances even though it fails due to Taka not responding to him. But once Taka comes to his room so as to use alter ego, Makoto accepts easily not because of his optimism but because of his sympathy towards Taka.

He even lied to Kyoko and the others who were in their ways in order to go see alter ego. He really wanted to help Taka to surpass his loss even though it led to troubles. He was the only one we see at least trying to sympathize with him.

During the investigation after the discovery of Taka’s and Hifumi’s body , if you click on Taka’s door, Makoto says this :

And says this if doing the same for Hifumi :

We can see that there is a difference. While seeming more regretful and hurt by Hifumi’s death, he is a lot more angry and furious when he talks about Taka’s death. It can explain by his sympathy that he had toward Taka and everything he was going through. Therefore, the reason is pretty much what I have already explain which is the fact that he puts himself at the place of Taka too, so his death is more impactful for Makoto than Hifumi’s death.

But like said previously, Makoto succeeds to at least momentarily, surpass his guilt thanks to his optimism in chapter 6 when clicking on Sayaka’s door, Makoto says this :

Chapter 6

Maizono-san’s room…

The key opens the door.

But it’s not related to this case…

I shoudn’t let my heart wander…

… isn’t that right, Maizono-san?

Here, he doesn’t grieve as he always do at the mention at Sayaka but also tries to go forward. He surpasses his guilt with his own optimism and hope that he gains at the end of chapter 5, when Kyoko saves him. Like he said before he holds the memories of everyone who died with him. He considers that he should not grieving because it’s especially something that Sayaka wouldn’t want him to do in his point of view. The two last sentences said that much after all.

Symbolism : Crane

As much as I said back then in my analysis on the drive that Sayaka represented the crane just like she said to Makoto in her FTE, I think that the crane could also represent Makoto himself. Just like the crane, he was lost when the killing game started. Why was he chosen ? What was his place in a class where his classmates are more talented than him and have a true talent ? How could he compare to them ?

But throughout the game, Makoto began to take his flight and become smarter as the chapters goes in until he was capable to hold his on against Kyoko in chapter 5. He rediscovered every facet of himself during the killing game until he finally found, until others guide him into his true talent which is the ultimate hope. Just like the crane who was lost, Makoto was the one to get him find his way. It’s the same things in the killing game where Makoto discovered himself again truly until he can finally recognize his qualities as great and therefore to be really proud of himself for the first time in the killing game. Not even talking about how the crane symbolizing Makoto is correct as the crane is seen as its white color already represent not only innocence but also hope. The crane is also seen as a symbol of peace, good fortune and longevity. They are often use as an anti-war symbols during protest.

Everything said concerning the crane is also valid for Makoto. He does bring good fortune as it was his luck that saved that ended up saving the world. Good Fortune was given to the world except himself the day he was accepted at HPA. He is also viewed as hope incarnate by the world and his whole philosophy prone a more regenerative and pacific hope than most in the universe of Danganronpa. While he hates death, he never radically opposed to the views of Munakata concerning hope. Thus, he doesn’t completely disregard that death can be considered as necessary even if he doesn’t prone that. Finally, he is one of the few characters that survived 2 killing game so he does have longevity for him.

Again, he parallelizes with Sayaka as both can be seen as the crane. Sayaka at the start of the story and Makoto at the end of story, representing their initials differences before the killing game.

In addition, just like Makoto who has helped the crane to find his way in middle school, Sayaka in a way helped him to become what he is in chapter 6. Sayaka, more so her death, put him in the right track, in the right mindset in order to fight against the mastermind.

She pushed him forward just like Makoto did back then with the crane which is supposed to represent Sayaka’s mental state at the time: lost and hurt because of everything she did and see in the industry whether the things she’s done is implied to be sexual or not (I don’t necessarily agree with that but it’s not that important for Sayaka’s writing). But seeing one act of kindness was enough to move her heart to such a point that she has been obsessed to see and talk with Makoto Naegi. That moment is parallelized with Makoto when he saw the corpse of Sayaka. He was hurt and lost. Even after seeing her corpse, he was in denial and even shout at both Togami and Mondo, people that he either fears (Mondo) or is hurt at each encounter he makes with (Togami) which again parallelizes with when Makoto tried to stop Mondo and Byakuya from fighting and to stay calm. Here it’s these two who tries to do the same thing that Makoto did try to do back then.

The roles are again changed. It’s a great callback to their dynamic which the crane plays an important role in it. So I think it’s fair to say that Makoto can symbolize the crane.

SDR2

In Sdr2, the reset password used by Makoto was 11037 for the neo world program. Naegi used Maizono’s dying message as a reset password to New World program. In Japanese version, Naegi refers to her as 'some person(ある人)’ while in English version Naegi refers to her as 'someone close to me’. It shows that he still holds his oath, to don’t forget about his classmates but also shows that the guilt is still there and will continue to be there. As long as he doesn’t forget about them, the emotions he had towards his classmates won’t disappear too. Like said before in this post, Makoto makes them lives through him. In addition, the fact that he got the memories of his past two years when he was at Hope speak academy worsen his guilt even more.

DR3

In Danganronpa 3, Maizono appeared in Naegi's deathwish hallucination with Kirigiri. Maizono's actor was asked to act like a boy's first love appearing in the flashback right before his death. Because Maizono within Naegi always smiles. The hallucination talked about how Naegi wasn't able to get her out of the school and told him to come with them. It reinforces what we’ve already said so far with dr3 showing more blatantly his survivor’s guilt which was a great idea who was greatly executed by dr3. It also enforces on how Sayaka was his first love and someone who he cared for greatly. It must have hurt him very much as he regained the memories of the two past years that were extracted from him.

In the last episode of Despair Arc, Maizono is shown talking informally to Naegi without using any honorifics. This is actually a significant change in her character. She often is polite with everyone. That politeness comes from her talent that force her to be polite so as for public appearances and to hide her emotions. Emotions who are hidden with a polite smile. But sometimes, she can be polite because of nervousness when she asked about if Makoto has a girlfriend in her last FTE.

But here she isn’t. She talks informally to Makoto which shows a huge development and means that she became close with at least one person.

She said “Daijyobu?” instead of normal “Daijyobudesuka?” Which shows that both are close with each other. She surely opened herself with everyone in her class, as seen in THH with the photos, she seemed to be close with everybody in the class. She also must be closer with Naegi as shown by her song Monochrome Answer which was said to explain her relationship with Makoto during their time in Hope speak academy.

So that’s it. I did more work based on Makoto in relation with Sayaka as there is already plenty of analysis of Sayaka as a whole.

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List of responses you get by clicking stuffs related to Maizono

I saw this quite a long time ago, but didn’t bother to translate it as there’s already an English version for DR. But I decided to translate this anyways.

Depending on the chapter, if you click either Maizono’s room or the kitchen knife set in kitchen, the messages you get changes. It kind of shows how Naegi feels about Maizono. I’d love to see how it is in US version too though.

※ These are the messages you get from investigating her room’s door, shower room and kitchen knife(located in kitchen)

※ Only the messages different from other people’s room doors were written.

2nd chapter 1st day morning

Shower room

I shouldn’t turn my eyes away… from Maizono-san’s death…! It is for Maizono-san… And it is for me as well. 

Room door

Maizono-san… …….. …. No, let’s stop getting all emotional and stuff. Everyone has to gather, I have to go to the cafeteria.

 2nd chapter 2nd day morning

Room door

Maizono-san is… not here anymore. Even though I want to see her, I can’t. … everyone has to gather, so let’s go to the cafeteria.

Kitchen Knife Set (in the kitchen)

One knife is gone… Maizono-san took one kitchen knife from here… And… then… ………

2nd Chapter 3rd day, night

Room door

Maizono-san… ….. No I don’t want to go to the gym… I have a bad feeling about it though…

2nd Chapter Investigation Part

Room Door

Maizono-san… …. But it’s not the time to be all emotional and stuff… 

3rd Chapter 2nd Day Morning

Shower room

In here… Maizono-san… Until when…  will this life in academy continue…

Room door

Maizono-san.. I have no time to get emotional….

3rd Chapter Free Time

Knife Set

One knife is still missing… Maizono-san took one knife from here… And… then… …… I can’t forget it. There’s no way that it’ll be forgotten.

3rd Chapter 3rd Day, Night

Room Door (while accompanying Ishimaru)

 Maizono-san… I understand why Ishimaru-kun can’t forget about what happened to Oowada. Because… I too, yet…

3rd Chapter 4th Day Morning

Room Door

Maizono-san… I wanted to spend more mornings with Maizono-san.

3rd Chapter 5th Day Morning.

Room Door

Maizono-san… ……… … No, it’s no time to be like this. Everyone will be waiting, so I have to go to the cafeteria.

4th Chapter, 1st Day, Daytime

Kitchen Knife Set

The knife case… One knife is missing… Maizono-san snuck one out… ………

Room Door ※ All the dead people’s room door has same messages.

5th Chapter, 1st Day Noon

Kitchen Knife (you can get a monokuma coin by clicking this in chapter 6)

One knife is missing… From that time… Maizono-san’s incident, everything has started…

5th Chapter, 2nd Day, Morning

Shower room

Maizono-san… That nightmare… I can’t forget it for ever. Until when will this life in academy continue…

Room Door

What am I going to do in Maizono-san’s room… Everyone will gather, so let’s go to cafeteria.

6th Chapter, Investigation Part

Room Door

Maizono-san’s room… The key opens the door. But it’s not related to this case… I shoudn’t let my heart wander… … isn’t that right, Maizono-san?
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makoto is to sayaka the love and intimacy she doesnt get to have with anyone. her bandmates dont count because while theyre her friends & have seen the actual horrible nature of sayakas psyche they are still her rivals and they dont wish the best for each other, the entire band is made of manufactured selfish idols. they are a product. 11037 is the proof of the remaining kindness in sayaka despite every shitty thing she did to get her way, including the last one (actual murder attempt). a reminder of what she’s done all this for.

before sayaka dies by clinging onto her career she remembers what really matters to her (helping people) but she does this to an individual person, it doesnt benefit her like her fake bubbly persona’s kindness does. and it is also not the same kind of genuine kindness that fuels her dream. it is extended to 1 person only.

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Maizono’s swimsuit event

Maizono: I’m sorry, I’ve made you wait. It took me a while to get ready… Mukuro: Not at all, it’s okay. There are still guys who aren’t here yet. Hmph? Naegi: E, erm… Ouma: My my, what’s happening, Naegi-chan! You’ve completely fallen for Maizono-chan? Naegi: I, it’s not… Maizono: …… Naegi: like I haven’t thought that way at all, but… Ouma: Even if you don’t get startled like that, it’s a normal thing to fall over for a top idol’s swimsuit, right? Hey, you gotta tell her how you think properly. Since you’re reacting stupidly, Maizono’s in trouble too. Mukuro: You… keep quiet for a moment. If you go like that, it gets harder to say anything. (Ouma and Mukuro disappears) Naegi: Hey, Maizono-san… Maizono: … Naegi-kun, have you seen that? The menu on the beach house, it’s more extravagant than expected. I, want to try shaved ice. How about we eat them together before everyone gathers up? Naegi: Yeah… I’ll try too. (scene switches to sunset) Ouma: Oh, they swam, they swam! Momota and Yumeno in the sand was a masterpiece! Gonta: I’m so sorry, two of you! Gonta, completely forgot about digging you two up and played… Yumeno: Uwa, it’s okay now so let’s go back… I’m tired from getting tensed up and I’m hungry… Maizono: Naegi-kun… shall we go back too. It’s been fun today. It’s been a while since I played to my heart’s content at sea. Naegi: Yeah… It was enjoyable for me. And… Maizono. I’ve really missed the time to say this though but… Naegi: That swimsuit… looks gorgeous. Maizono: Naegi-kun… Thank you. Maizono: An idol’s swimsuit isn’t something rare… so I was worried, that it might not interest you. Naegi: I, it’s nothing like that! Naegi: I mean, it’s strange to say that I’m interested in them too but… It’s true that I thought it was gorgeous. Maizono: Fufu, I’m happy.

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Makoto Naegi spent THREE YEARS not sparing a single GLANCE at his girlcrush because he felt like he genuinely wasn’t allowed to due to his weird complex when it came to himself compared to Ultimates and yet he STILL GOT THE GIRL. TWICE.

Adding onto this ,,, Sayaka Maizono spent 3 years looking at Makoto, spent 3 years wanting to talk to him, even saying that not talking to him was her biggest regret, all because he helped a crane one day during their first year of middle school. Makoto hadn’t even ever shown interest in Sayaka from her pov. And Makoto probably didn’t even care for the crane that much!! He remembers only helping the crane because he was in charge of the animals at the school. He says, “They made me do it…” . HOW INSANE. That event had such a HUGE IMPACT on Sayaka. It stuck with her for three years, and then probably an extra year on top of that due to having to already be enrolled in a high school to enter Hope’s Peak because Sayaka literally makes a move on Makoto the first day they’re in the killing game ???? So like from her perspective this is their first day of being at Hope’s Peak and seeing Makoto after a year. (And like their pregame relationship is possibly implied to be romantic so smth also happened that first year possibly???) Like. She knew what she wanted. Good for her Good for her!

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its almost 4 am but i cannot stand people saying naegi has no character anymore so here are 4 of my favourite CANON dork egg moments

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Makoto and Sayaka : Additional bonus

I said that I have finished talking about Makoto and Sayaka but… But I miscalculated and made a little analysis on them (again yes). So… here we go !

Idealization

Both Makoto and Sayaka idealized each other and were either searching or seeing each other from afar.

Searching from afar as Sayaka wanted to reach out to Makoto when she saw him saving the crane. She obsessively remembered Makoto entirely, his name, his face and body during severals years. Just from that single event that should have disappeared with time, she didn’t forget. It’s shows how much that event was carved into her soul.

Seeing each other as Makoto secretly watched Sayaka. As we know, he had a crush on her since middle school and was still pretty much interested in her. In the novel « Makoto’s secret file », we see how disappointed he is after he missed the opportunity of seeing Sayaka. For him, it’s the cherry on the cake after his journey, so he considered this missing opportunity as a bad luck. Though, he wasn’t as much obsessed as Sayaka because he didn’t think that he had a chance with Sayaka and that she would surely never remember him as he is, like he said in the prologue, « average even among the average ».

Sayaka’s idealization comes, like said previously from that single event. It’s pretty much known but, she became obsessed because she has seen a lot of bad and terrible things in the industry she worked. Bad, horrible actions that she not only seen but also made. She was certainly in a phase of her life where her moral and morality were not in a right place. Even though she liked to be an idol, seeing what is going on behind the scene surely made her have some complicated feelings. So much complicated feelings that when seeing a simple act of kindness was enough for her to be put in the right direction momentarily as I don’t doubt that she still had to do those bad things. But at least, she saw that kindness still exist outside her environment and that good people exist. Therefore, she came to idealize Makoto. It’s why she was searching. She wanted to meet him no matter what. He became the light of her way.

For Makoto, his idealization is more general. As seen in the prologue, Makoto already idealized the ultimates as they are the best of the best and also are extraordinary which is the contrary to him who is ordinary. He can’t help to have them in high regard. But concerning Sayaka, he idealized her. It’s seen when he talked about how unreachable and amazing she was. Right off the bat, when encountering her, he compared her to a puppet which connotation is often linked with perfection, so an ideal.

She is also the only one that we have direct confirmation that he sees every time when she is performing on tv. She were an ideal that he couldn’t think he could reach this he never talked to her or even tried to reach to her. Her extraordinary talent coupled with her perfect beauty make Sayaka Maizono someone to be idealized for Makoto. A person that he likes, loves but can’t never reach.

Both idealized and harbored feelings for each other without the other knowing which is interesting. While when they met, their idealization of each other reveals to be correct or at least partially, they linked each other so quickly that the others in the killing game, considered them as close. However, we must remember that their relationship was doomed to fail when they reunited each other in Hope’s speak academy (HPA). As for their relationship before the killing game, it’s unknown but we can make some theories. As stated previously both have some feelings with each other before coming to HPA so they were surely very close. We could even say lovers but they surely didn’t make it together because of Sayaka’s idol career. So we can theorize that they weren’t together in their first year but what about the second year, when class 78 locked themselves up in order to protect themselves against the tragedy ? There may be an high chance that both were together as Sayaka’s career didn’t matter anymore because of the tragedy, there is nothing stopping her from being a couple with Makoto. In addition, the song Monochrome Answer tell us that something was going on between them and that romantic feelings were at plays.

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Makoto & Sayaka

I already did analyze a major part of their relationship inside that drive which is an analysis of Makoto in chapter 1 so, I really recommend seeing that analysis in order to have a better understanding of their dynamic. It’s important as I wouldn’t have the need to say or repeat things I have already said. What’s to come, is like a part 2, a sequel of that analysis.

So what I’m gonna talk about ? Few things that couldn’t have been said in that analysis because I limited my scope to chapter 1

So the relationship between these two is simple but also complex. It’s one of the most well written relationship in Danganronpa franchise. Both are character from the extreme sides and that shouldn’t have met. But they met despite their differences.

Differences

Makoto is someone who is said to be ordinary and to have a degree of normalcy higher than the average person. Regarding, his personality in the first chapter, he seems to be not optimistic but quite critical of most ultimates once he met them as they don’t match his high expectations on them. Remember that while Makoto accepted his normalcy, he still had the ultimates in high regard as he thinks that they are superiors to him in the first place due their talent. But it’s not in an obsession way like Hajime. However, as we will see he doesn’t truly accept it as he said in regard to his relationship with Sayaka.

Of course, he doesn’t have a great opinion of himself. He seems to not have close friends at all which is weird and even his view on himself is weird not normal. At any instance if he does something good, his first reflex is to degrade his actions but also himself.

Finally, he wasn’t and isn’t popular at all and his anormal « normalcy » should explain why he isn’t popular at all: people ignore his existence or should have found him boring enough to not be friends with him. Sure, he must have few people who he talked with but most of these people as seen in Makoto’s secret file aren’t friends as only one of them is. In Makoto’s secret file, once Makoto lost the rock paper scissors with these people, he had to search for drinks, but he was met with multiples unfortunate events. So, the time he puts to buy at the grocery store should at least put an alarm on his friend, but we didn’t see at all after those several unfortunate events that impacted Makoto. His friend of his didn’t seem to come to see how he is doing. So, I can at least say that most of his friends are friends but not close friends.

While Sayaka is extraordinary and can be considered as a genius in her talent. There were four students that were considered to be very talented in their respective area in class 78 and Sayaka was among them. She is in the upper echelons in contrary to Makoto and excel. From her teenage years, she was already popular and now she has 100 million of « Sayakers » said by Komaru in UDG who a « Sayaker » (hyper-fan of Sayaka) and that it was solely in Japan. So, she was already extremely popular when Makoto and she was in the same class, as Makoto quotes during her first FTE that he couldn’t go near him as she was always with people. Here, the difference. Due to her popularity, she had many, many people around her most of her time which contrast with Makoto which due to his simplicity had almost none. Finally, she had close friends that she considered as family which isn’t the case of Makoto.

Similarities

At the end of the game, Makoto and Sayaka shares similarities and parallelize each others. Firstly, he is as popular than Sayaka if not more due to be the one to put an end to Junko and has close friends at the end of his journey.

Both becomes unattainable because of their status and have to be prudent with any actions they take. For example, Sayaka had to be prudent and wary for any actions she takes because she had a reputation to hold on too and a career to keep which is the case of Makoto. He became the ultimate hope and as a symbol hope must take actions that solidify his status. In fact, he is by the world and the Future Fondation, forced to act in a way that would give hope to the world. Makoto was confined at that role.

In addition both do bypass their roles and take actions that could considered to be bad by the world with how Sayaka did bad things to reach her level and how Makoto hid the remnants of despair and put them inside the neo world program without the FF consent. Mind you that these remnants are the ones to have put the world in such fate and has caused many tragedies to the people of this world.

Also Makoto as the ultimate hope does the things that Sayaka wanted to do in a greater scale which is to spread hope to people in need. Both are people at their core who cares about other people even though Sayaka is more selfish than Makoto.

Finally, only people close to them could understand them greatly. Nobody understands Sayaka more than her idols friends. Her true feelings was understood only by them and her classmates when she was in HPA before the killing game. As for Makoto except his friends nobody truly understands him and only see his outer self. I mean everybody saw him as that guy whose will is unparalleled and don’t give up even in dire situations but whose ideals are naive. But Makoto isn’t only that. He is also someone who regrets and has guilt that he repressed whether be in THH or in Dr3 which even his close friends didn’t seem to see. Even his views on hope and despair are misunderstood by a lot of people just like Munakata.

Emotions

I must talk about how Makoto felt when he was with Sayaka compared to the rest of the game. When he was with Sayaka, he genuinely seemed happy. As already established in the drive, Sayaka was essentially Makoto’s hope like Makoto was for Sayaka until the arrival of the motive video. But most of the time with Sayaka, he was really happy.

The FTE done with Sayaka shows how happy and shy he is in contrary to the rest of the game.

FTE 1 - Sayaka

- That smile... That mysterious smile that softens my heart... I really wasn't flattering her. That smile saved me.

- She laughed out loud as she said it. The closer we get, the stronger that smile of hers makes me. ...I was glad to feel that way.

FTE 2 - Sayaka

- When she smiled at me like that, I could feel my entire body filling with power. It was like her smile was a source of pure energy. My friendship with her is my one source of courage. My bond with her makes me stronger. So I have to do my best in here! For myself, and for Sayaka!

It’s only at the end of the game, when escaping that we see him smiling again. But it’s normal right, after her death and chapter 1, he is someone overwhelmed by guilt.

Or again it is shown in a DR’s original drama cd, how Maizono makes Naegi happy.

In this instance, Naegi asks Maizono to sing on the stage and she does so. Maizono helps Naegi setting the stage up by helping him with looking for the microphone. Naegi mentions at the end that he was able to smile for once in a long time thanks to her concert.

Finally, when the motive video came out, Makoto only truly cared for Sayaka and himself, not the others. It would be great. It was already shown in the main game but danganronpa If, reinforces that fact.

Danganronpa If

Anyway, we have to all work together and- huh?

He realized that his determination was slightly different.

We 'all' have to...?

Naturally, escaping the school with all of his classmates was the most ideal scenario. But other than Maizono, he had never met any one of his classmates before, and he had no idea if he could trust them. Yet for a moment, he found himself believing that they were people worth helping even at the cost of his own life, just like Maizono.

He wasn’t optimistic at all of all trustful in chapter 1. It’s a huge mistake made when talking about Makoto. Even if he tells you right off the bat that he is optimistic, in chapter 1, he isn’t and is more in denial than anything else most of the time. His abnormal optimistic nature grows throughout the game and reach his peak at chapter 6. But it wasn’t instantaneous like some would like to tell.

Makoto’s guilt

after chapter one, there is a shift in how he acts with people. I know it’s due to a major events of chapter one but he is more determined to end this killing game not only because he wants to stop the mastermind but also because he feels regret. Like he said he won’t forget the pain, the bad and the good of all the people who died in the killing game. But we can implicitly see the one that he certainly wouldn’t forget is Sayaka Maizono. It’s hidden from the main story but Makoto himself struggles a lot with the events of the chapter 1. This struggle is hidden through optional dialogues that isn’t essential to the main story but essential to get more from Makoto and understand his actions throughout the game. He expresses a lot of fear and regret when trying to go inside some rooms or when trying to interact with something. Here are some examples.

chapter 2, 1st day morning

Shower room

I shouldn’t turn my eyes away… from Maizono-san’s death…!

It is for Maizono-san…

And it is for me as well.

This shows how hurt he is. He thinks about her most of his time. He is here consumed by guilt which he hides actively from others who don’t mention it at all. As seen by those images, he wanted clearly to spend more time with Maizono and to cherish those precious moments with her but he won’t now.

But seems to not touch anything in his room. Like he didn’t clean his room during the entirety of the game as the lint roller is still there as well as the notepad. We can then deduce that even touching it make Makoto remembers of everything that happened in chapter 1 which is something he doesn’t want to actively remember so he doesn’t touch.

But despite all of that, he keeps moving forward because it’s what he promised to all the dead in this killing game in order to achieve their goal : to get out from this place. By memorizing the dead, Makoto gives them a second live. they lived through him and their ambition and will to get out remain still in Makoto Naegi.

He also has some places where he expresses his will to not go like the door to the elevator for the trial because it reminds him again everything which is something he actively doesn’t want to.

But we have to talk about another character who experienced the same loss than Makoto which is Taka

In chapter 3, he himself sympathize with Taka for his loss because both of them lost someone that they considered to be close to them. Makoto lost Sayaka in chapter 1 and was acting very emotional just like Taka when he learned during the trial that his first friend was a murderer. Both learn that their closest friends ended up betraying them in the trial.

However there is one key differences and it’s how they dealt with their loss.

While Makoto seems to deal very easily the death of Sayaka but it’s false. Indeed, he has a strong sense of guilt and regret which he hides. Most of the time, Makoto represses his guilt or trauma to himself and doesn’t express really what he’s going through to the others. It can be explain by the oath he takes at the end of chapter 1, where he swears to end the killing game. He wants to keep a strong face against the mastermind, he wants people to not kill so what’s better to show a strong and determined face to the others and the mastermind ?

However, Taka, though suffering the same loss, the loss of someone dear to him, reacted differently from Makoto. He shows expressively how hurt and sad he is at the end of chapter 2 when Mondo reveals himself to be the culprit. Although, Taka doesn’t have the same connection that Makoto had with Sayaka, Mondo was an important guy for him, after all he was his first friend. They confronted at first but also connected quickly and became very close. He even cries in front of everyone in trial 2 which Makoto doesn’t do intentionally when in front of Sayaka’s body in order to investigate or even do in trial 1. After that, we have chapter 3, where Taka is shown to be greatly affected by this loss, so affected that he become a husk of himself.

So we have an interesting parallel which contains not only similarities but also differences. I already pointed out how they deal with their loss : one repressing the guilt and the other expressing the guilt and sorrow externally. But I also must pointed out another difference which is the fact that Makoto succeeds to not be overwhelmed by the guilt and try to live with it while Taka fails to do exactly that and falls pretty much into depression. While Sayaka’s death pushed Makoto forward when he was down and didn’t involve himself into the killing game, Mondo’s death caused Taka to be down during a major part of chapter 3 whereas he was quite involved in the killing game so as to organize the group during chapters 1 and 2.

But seeing Taka like that made Makoto remembers about himself. He had sympathy for Taka and put himself to his place. He sees how the both of them are the same and how sad Taka is. Here an example :

Chapter 3

Taka hasn't said a word since everything that happened yesterday... One look at his face showed he hadn't slept a wink last night. It must be because of Mondo..

The two of them became so close, and then he finds out Mondo killed Chihiro... And then...having to watch Mondo get…punished. And nothing he could do about it... I can't even imagine what it must have done to him.

That’s why he is also pretty angry at Monokuma when he tricked Taka with the air purifier being a time machine. He had already an intense hatred and beef with Monokuma so it shouldn’t be surprising.

Chapter 3

Makoto : Air purifier...?

Monokuma : It can produce clean air no matter where you're at. With that thing, you could even live on Mars! But

what with the discombobulating gravity and deadly low temperatures, you prolly don't wanna live on Mars

Anyway, this machine is the reason you guys have all this delicious air. So don't go messing with it!

You break it, and it's your butt! *leaves*

This huge thing is just...an air purifier? And more than that...

Taka : …

To go out of your way to say something you know will hurt someone who's already suffering...

Makoto : God damn you!

He also tries to interact with him in two instances even though it fails due to Taka not responding to him. But once Taka comes to his room so as to use alter ego, Makoto accepts easily not because of his optimism but because of his sympathy towards Taka.

He even lied to Kyoko and the others who were in their ways in order to go see alter ego. He really wanted to help Taka to surpass his loss even though it led to troubles. He was the only one we see at least trying to sympathize with him.

During the investigation after the discovery of Taka’s and Hifumi’s body , if you click on Taka’s door, Makoto says this :

And says this if doing the same for Hifumi :

We can see that there is a difference. While seeming more regretful and hurt by Hifumi’s death, he is a lot more angry and furious when he talks about Taka’s death. It can explain by his sympathy that he had toward Taka and everything he was going through. Therefore, the reason is pretty much what I have already explain which is the fact that he puts himself at the place of Taka too, so his death is more impactful for Makoto than Hifumi’s death.

But like said previously, Makoto succeeds to at least momentarily, surpass his guilt thanks to his optimism in chapter 6 when clicking on Sayaka’s door, Makoto says this :

Chapter 6

Maizono-san’s room…

The key opens the door.

But it’s not related to this case…

I shoudn’t let my heart wander…

… isn’t that right, Maizono-san?

Here, he doesn’t grieve as he always do at the mention at Sayaka but also tries to go forward. He surpasses his guilt with his own optimism and hope that he gains at the end of chapter 5, when Kyoko saves him. Like he said before he holds the memories of everyone who died with him. He considers that he should not grieving because it’s especially something that Sayaka wouldn’t want him to do in his point of view. The two last sentences said that much after all.

Symbolism : Crane

As much as I said back then in my analysis on the drive that Sayaka represented the crane just like she said to Makoto in her FTE, I think that the crane could also represent Makoto himself. Just like the crane, he was lost when the killing game started. Why was he chosen ? What was his place in a class where his classmates are more talented than him and have a true talent ? How could he compare to them ?

But throughout the game, Makoto began to take his flight and become smarter as the chapters goes in until he was capable to hold his on against Kyoko in chapter 5. He rediscovered every facet of himself during the killing game until he finally found, until others guide him into his true talent which is the ultimate hope. Just like the crane who was lost, Makoto was the one to get him find his way. It’s the same things in the killing game where Makoto discovered himself again truly until he can finally recognize his qualities as great and therefore to be really proud of himself for the first time in the killing game. Not even talking about how the crane symbolizing Makoto is correct as the crane is seen as its white color already represent not only innocence but also hope. The crane is also seen as a symbol of peace, good fortune and longevity. They are often use as an anti-war symbols during protest.

Everything said concerning the crane is also valid for Makoto. He does bring good fortune as it was his luck that saved that ended up saving the world. Good Fortune was given to the world except himself the day he was accepted at HPA. He is also viewed as hope incarnate by the world and his whole philosophy prone a more regenerative and pacific hope than most in the universe of Danganronpa. While he hates death, he never radically opposed to the views of Munakata concerning hope. Thus, he doesn’t completely disregard that death can be considered as necessary even if he doesn’t prone that. Finally, he is one of the few characters that survived 2 killing game so he does have longevity for him.

Again, he parallelizes with Sayaka as both can be seen as the crane. Sayaka at the start of the story and Makoto at the end of story, representing their initials differences before the killing game.

In addition, just like Makoto who has helped the crane to find his way in middle school, Sayaka in a way helped him to become what he is in chapter 6. Sayaka, more so her death, put him in the right track, in the right mindset in order to fight against the mastermind.

She pushed him forward just like Makoto did back then with the crane which is supposed to represent Sayaka’s mental state at the time: lost and hurt because of everything she did and see in the industry whether the things she’s done is implied to be sexual or not (I don’t necessarily agree with that but it’s not that important for Sayaka’s writing). But seeing one act of kindness was enough to move her heart to such a point that she has been obsessed to see and talk with Makoto Naegi. That moment is parallelized with Makoto when he saw the corpse of Sayaka. He was hurt and lost. Even after seeing her corpse, he was in denial and even shout at both Togami and Mondo, people that he either fears (Mondo) or is hurt at each encounter he makes with (Togami) which again parallelizes with when Makoto tried to stop Mondo and Byakuya from fighting and to stay calm. Here it’s these two who tries to do the same thing that Makoto did try to do back then.

The roles are again changed. It’s a great callback to their dynamic which the crane plays an important role in it. So I think it’s fair to say that Makoto can symbolize the crane.

SDR2

In Sdr2, the reset password used by Makoto was 11037 for the neo world program. Naegi used Maizono’s dying message as a reset password to New World program. In Japanese version, Naegi refers to her as 'some person(ある人)’ while in English version Naegi refers to her as 'someone close to me’. It shows that he still holds his oath, to don’t forget about his classmates but also shows that the guilt is still there and will continue to be there. As long as he doesn’t forget about them, the emotions he had towards his classmates won’t disappear too. Like said before in this post, Makoto makes them lives through him. In addition, the fact that he got the memories of his past two years when he was at Hope speak academy worsen his guilt even more.

DR3

In Danganronpa 3, Maizono appeared in Naegi's deathwish hallucination with Kirigiri. Maizono's actor was asked to act like a boy's first love appearing in the flashback right before his death. Because Maizono within Naegi always smiles. The hallucination talked about how Naegi wasn't able to get her out of the school and told him to come with them. It reinforces what we’ve already said so far with dr3 showing more blatantly his survivor’s guilt which was a great idea who was greatly executed by dr3. It also enforces on how Sayaka was his first love and someone who he cared for greatly. It must have hurt him very much as he regained the memories of the two past years that were extracted from him.

In the last episode of Despair Arc, Maizono is shown talking informally to Naegi without using any honorifics. This is actually a significant change in her character. She often is polite with everyone. That politeness comes from her talent that force her to be polite so as for public appearances and to hide her emotions. Emotions who are hidden with a polite smile. But sometimes, she can be polite because of nervousness when she asked about if Makoto has a girlfriend in her last FTE.

But here she isn’t. She talks informally to Makoto which shows a huge development and means that she became close with at least one person.

She said “Daijyobu?” instead of normal “Daijyobudesuka?” Which shows that both are close with each other. She surely opened herself with everyone in her class, as seen in THH with the photos, she seemed to be close with everybody in the class. She also must be closer with Naegi as shown by her song Monochrome Answer which was said to explain her relationship with Makoto during their time in Hope speak academy.

So that’s it. I did more work based on Makoto in relation with Sayaka as there is already plenty of analysis of Sayaka as a whole.

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Salvage Showcase: Jutaro Akafuku

To end the year, for the minor novel side of things, we got the 'lightest' main antagonist in the Danganronpa series, yet one who acts as quite the foil for Makoto Naegi nonetheless: Jutaro Akafuku the villain of Makoto The Secret File: Makoto Naegi's Worst Day Ever!!

Credit to @drmedicsgamesurgery for the pic above and giving permission to use it! Jutaro lacks an official design, so in this instance he's being represented by the salaryman looking fella getting grappled by Tengan.

Fun fact: The salaryman design is actually Tokuichi Towa's beta look before UDG's story went through some major changes and de-badassifed Tokuichi into who he was now.

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Nobody Understands Mukuro Ikusaba (aka Mukuro Character Analysis)

...except for the people that do (lol).

But first I want to clarify what I mean by this title and why I even wrote this thread in the first place. Mukuro is my second favorite Danganronpa character, only beaten out by Kyoko. There's a lot of reasons why I really like Mukuro, but one of them is her writing.

I think she's one of the best written characters in the series. But unfortunately, she also happens to be one of the most misunderstood characters as well. Not even by the people who don't like her, but also by her own fans.

"Mukuro has incestuous feelings for Junko" "Danganronpa 3 retconned her character" "Mukuro was just a plot device" These are all claims that baffle me because simply just consuming the media will say otherwise.

To many, Mukuro is either a one note incest freak or a pure innocent cinnamon roll who did nothing wrong and both of those interpretations are wildly incorrect. I've been meaning to write this post for a while, but we're finally here.

Nobody understands Mukuro Ikusaba (a ""🧵"") (Spoiler warning for the entire series)

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I'm thinking about that one post that went "Amnesia but you're haunted by your scars" post, talking about how wiping someone's memory in fiction doesn't completely erase the trauma they went through, and I just immediately look to DR2's cast and go "... Yeah."

I think Makoto was well meaning in wanting to wipe their memories of being remnants and putting them in an island paradise, but like. That's not therapy. That's not healing. That's only covering the scars on their hearts with an ill-fitted bandaid.

Even without the KG for that game, I think the Remnants would have like, sensations of fear they can't explain, sensations of trauma they can't address.

I don't think it's cruel to want to erase someone's painful memories... but I don't think that's a solution, either.

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You’re right but he doesn’t really have a choice because they are the remnants of despair. It was either that or they keep continuing their role as remnants until they are found and killed by the Future Foundation.

Trying to do therapy without the nwp is difficult as no therapist would help the dr2 cast and the fact that he is doing that behind the future foundation’s back, limits his time.

He can’t really modify the neo world program as the main creators of the nwp are dead and the Future foundation wouldn’t help him. It wasn’t created by him after all, he only used it so as to save them.

Moreover, the problem is that if they kept their memories right off the bat, they would still be remnants and thus therapy can’t happen as they wouldn’t care.

The only possibility is that the memories of dr2 cast are given when they finished the program and even that would be problematic but it would maybe be better ?

Like you said it isn’t a solution for them to heal but more a « solution » so as they live.

I'm sorry to be meme but the first thing I thought of when you said "No therapist would work with them" and my immediate reaction was "So is Gekkogahara chopped liver to you???" LMAO

(Gekkogahara was the therapist who worked with the Ultimate Neurologist and Chihiro to make the NWP int he first place, she clearly had motivations to help rehabilitate the 77th class over just straight up killing them. She was also not dead until some time after the DR2 game happened but before Makoto's trial, as they found her body during the FF KG)

Also... just so the air is clear here: I'm not saying Makoto is a bad person because he did something wrong. Like I said, I imagine he means well and all that. I imagine there wasn't an easy solution, and the NWP seemed like a no brainer idea as it has a "too good to be true" sort of vibe to it.

I don't think the Remnants of Despair would have been easy to rehabilitate, but I think that with intensive care and therapy, they could have been without erasing their remnant memories. I'm not comfortable with saying that they couldn't have been otherwise, tbh.

What Makoko did wasn't malicious or cruel, but it was still not a solution. And if maybe he had approached Gekkogahara, he could have worked with her to make the NWP a more viable solution.

I didn’t forgot about Gekkogahara. The problem is that we don’t know anything about her and her conviction. Because of dr3, she is barely a character so we don’t know if she would help Makoto or not, if she was with Munakata or not. That’s why I didn’t talk about her previously.

If she was a character whose personality was good and that she wasn’t within Munakata’s group, I would have certainly agreed with you.

She did created with Chihiro and Yasuke the nwp during her time at Hope’s speak academy. After that the nwp, with the research of the three ultimates, was finished with the Future foundation (ff).

It’s impossible for her to develop the nwp with the intent of saving the dr2 cast when her main research was done prior the event of the tragedy. And even though, she surely finalized the last requirements with the ff for the nwp, it was under the ff. All we can say about her personality is head canon, unfortunately.

We can’t even relied on Monaca’s imitation of Miaya as she did what she did mainly to observe Makoto. We can deduce that the imitation is partially true but that’s it.

Finally, I think that Makoto didn’t contact anybody who wasn’t close to him inside the ff as he couldn’t fully trust them : he doesn’t know their intentions, if they come as a spy or not. So involving somebody else than his friends is a risky move to do.

But again, if there were proofs of Miaya wanting to save the 77 class, I would absolutely agree with you !

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I'm thinking about that one post that went "Amnesia but you're haunted by your scars" post, talking about how wiping someone's memory in fiction doesn't completely erase the trauma they went through, and I just immediately look to DR2's cast and go "... Yeah."

I think Makoto was well meaning in wanting to wipe their memories of being remnants and putting them in an island paradise, but like. That's not therapy. That's not healing. That's only covering the scars on their hearts with an ill-fitted bandaid.

Even without the KG for that game, I think the Remnants would have like, sensations of fear they can't explain, sensations of trauma they can't address.

I don't think it's cruel to want to erase someone's painful memories... but I don't think that's a solution, either.

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You’re right but he doesn’t really have a choice because they are the remnants of despair. It was either that or they keep continuing their role as remnants until they are found and killed by the Future Foundation.

Trying to do therapy without the nwp is difficult as no therapist would help the dr2 cast and the fact that he is doing that behind the future foundation’s back, limits his time.

He can’t really modify the neo world program as the main creators of the nwp are dead and the Future foundation wouldn’t help him. It wasn’t created by him after all, he only used it so as to save them.

Moreover, the problem is that if they kept their memories right off the bat, they would still be remnants and thus therapy can’t happen as they wouldn’t care.

The only possibility is that the memories of dr2 cast are given when they finished the program and even that would be problematic but it would maybe be better ?

Like you said it isn’t a solution for them to heal but more a « solution » so as they live.

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JAPAN SOCIETY AND MAKOTO NAEGI : ADDITIONAL PART

Part 1 :

That doesn’t stop here. The cast of THH are tropes in japanese anime but in an exaggerated way. However they are still characters and the majority of the cast succeed at surpassing their respective trope. I will show few examples

Kyoko is the obvious kuudere, a calm and cold girl. A mysterious person who is warming up to the cast or protagonist throughout the game. But here with Kyoko, her kuudere side is enforced to the point that it was necessary that Makoto was chosen as the culprit in chapter 5, to really be frank and honest to Makoto. She can also be childish at time as we saw in chapter 4 when Makoto hid a secret about Sakura.

Byakuya is the rich guy. Their arrogance is often accompanied with a complex of superiority. They come from the upper class and see everyone who doesn’t fit their criteria beneath them. In the case of Byakuya, in contrary to most elite snob, he goes farther in his arrogance. He plays with a body for his amusement. Of course, it wasn’t only for that but we can see that Byakuya’s cruelty is much bigger than most rich guy in Japanese media.

Sakura is the giant that seems to be bad but who is good. Her outer force displays her inner force. Even though here, when we often see the giant to be in the good side in almost every series that trope exists, she originally sided with the bad guy, Monokuma. But in the end, she regain her courage and confront Monokuma by killing herself in order for the cast to regain their focus against the mastermind.

Makoto is the normal guy, the everyday man. As said by himself, he is even average among the average. Often the protagonist, it allows people to have a semblance of relatability. However as established before, Makoto’s self discovery of himself during the killing game allows him to surpass his trope and to be his own character. In addition, his luck which can be seen as the luck of the ordinary is again exaggerated as seen in the chapter 5 of THH or in Makoto’s secret file.

In Dr THH, these tropes are used in a exaggerated way in order to either criticize these tropes or society in general.

As seen with Makoto, it was concerning the way of how society conforms most people to stay normal and to conform at its norm even though sometimes it can go too far. But not only society but others can also inflict that.

Makoto is surely one of these person whose personality and existence was affected by society entirely with how he described himself in the prologue. Nobody would describes themselves as so ordinary and average than the average people to that degree. It really shows, right of the bat that there is something ironically, unordinary with Makoto’s perception of self.

But the most prominent case in the game is Chihiro. Often people seem to think that Chihiro’s story is linked with the struggles of transidentity. However Chihiro is a man who through harassment and mockery through his childhood by most people due to how feminine he was despite being a boy, ended up cross dressing as a girl. He cross dresses as a girl not because he wants to but because he doesn’t want to be harassed or mocked by everyone. In chapter 2, we saw how Chihiro desired to be strong and to truly be seen as his true self. Through the character of Chihiro and chapter 2, what was criticized was the perception of masculinity in society and how it can affect people whether it be men of women.

Finally, in its entirety, Danganronpa THH not only mocks the tropes that we find inside others japanese medias but also uses these tropes to transmit a message, a critic of society as a whole through many characters.

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you ever think about how makoto naegi can understand anyone but no one understands makoto naegi. and that this is the one fundamental thing he shares with junko enoshima.

i think makoto is specifically haunted by junkos death but not in the terrible hellfire ghost nightmares way but rather i think he sometimes just eats lunch with the others in the future foundation and his thoughts turn to how his dead classmates would always be so rowdy and in particular he can't truly let go of the fondness he had for junko as his friend even though she was the person who turned the world into a hellscape and he'll wonder just how much agony was hidden in plain sight with every smile she showed him and how now as the ultimate hope he can't be anything but the future of humanity the world sees him as and in that moment he feels a terrible kinship to her in how ultimate despair also deified the girl whose last words to him were about how much pain the experience of living brought her and despite that he was quite possibly the only person who saw past the dichotomies of hope and despair and saw just another person before him that he ultimately didn't want to see die despite everything she'd done. unrelated images of makotos true thoughts about despair as an ideology that consumes the people around him btw

still thinking about this but like how fascinatingly selfish of makoto it is to have not wanted junko to die.

like it's an entirely blink and you'll miss it interaction when it actually happens in the endgame but the future foundation and the general populace want junko dead for what she's done, ultimate despair would relish in the despair of her death, the survivors of class 78 also want her to die for what she personally did to them and even junko herself is ready to die with her absolute high of despair after destroying everything around herself because living is agony

but even then

like it would be easy to see this and just go "oh he's a good person he doesn't want to see even his worst enemy die" but like not only does that ignore a substantial majority of DR1 where makoto does not shut up about how much he fucking hates the mastermind but going forward it's a pattern too: he was fully willing to burn bridges with the future foundation just to save the remnants of despair and cooperated with izuru behind the scenes about it

makoto said he was going to carry the deaths of everyone on his back and to that end makes sure to prevent as many deaths as he can even those that should be his enemies. the choice he made to survive and not lose to despair has done nothing but fuck him over pretty much every step of the way going forward, and it's like junko herself said

junko really did burden him with one last despairful gift in her own death. it was hope for the world but now makoto has to carry even her death with him and he doesn't have it in himself to not continue striving and going forward

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zeravmeta

you ever think about how makoto naegi can understand anyone but no one understands makoto naegi. and that this is the one fundamental thing he shares with junko enoshima.

i think makoto is specifically haunted by junkos death but not in the terrible hellfire ghost nightmares way but rather i think he sometimes just eats lunch with the others in the future foundation and his thoughts turn to how his dead classmates would always be so rowdy and in particular he can't truly let go of the fondness he had for junko as his friend even though she was the person who turned the world into a hellscape and he'll wonder just how much agony was hidden in plain sight with every smile she showed him and how now as the ultimate hope he can't be anything but the future of humanity the world sees him as and in that moment he feels a terrible kinship to her in how ultimate despair also deified the girl whose last words to him were about how much pain the experience of living brought her and despite that he was quite possibly the only person who saw past the dichotomies of hope and despair and saw just another person before him that he ultimately didn't want to see die despite everything she'd done. unrelated images of makotos true thoughts about despair as an ideology that consumes the people around him btw

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you ever think about how makoto naegi can understand anyone but no one understands makoto naegi. and that this is the one fundamental thing he shares with junko enoshima.

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