Talk:Finley

What to do with this article

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convert to a disambiguation page with no primary species 2-2-11-0
Since not everyone agrees with my interpretation of this situation, I'm going to use another multi-option proposal here. Though here are my thoughts with respect to this situation: I think Blue Finleys are clearly the parent species, seeing as how:

• Green Finleys are completely different in design. While Blue and Red Finleys resemble piranhas, Green Finleys more closely resemble other freshwater fish, such as wrasses.
• Red Finleys are far less common than their blue counterparts, and aren't even seen out of water, unlike Blue Finleys.

Though interpret my findings however you like.

Proposer: Archivist Toadette (talk)
Deadline: May 4, 2021, 23:59 GMT

Delete and consider Blue Finleys as the primary species

1. Archivist Toadette (talk) My preferred option.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) If we have a primary species then there's no point to having a disambiguation page.

Convert to a disambiguation page but nonetheless consider Blue Finleys as the primary species

1. Archivist Toadette (talk) Second choice.
2. Hewer (talk) Second choice

Convert to a disambiguation page and don't consider any species to be the primary one

1. Hewer (talk) Like Tileoid was, the page is kind of already a disambiguation.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) I'd be okay with this too.
3. Keyblade Master (talk) I've always thought deciding whatever would be the parent species for certain things was a bit arbitrary.
4. Alex95 (talk) - I prefer this option, saying the Blue Finleys are the parent seems a little subjective to me.
5. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
6. RHG1951 (talk) Blue Finleys aren't explicitly made out to be the parent species.
7. Duckfan77 (talk) Per all
8. Somethingone (talk) Disambiguation seems like the best option, and i really don't think the blue types are the main species.
9. The Mansion (talk) Per all.
10. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
11. Scrooge200 (talk) Like with Tileoid, this is a good compromise.

Comments

I'd prefer merging blue and red here (since they actually are color variations) and leaving green as the sole derivative (or even simply relative), myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk)

Not fully color variations, the red ones are faster than the blue ones. Nightwicked Bowser 15:23, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

That is "color variation" of the same type as red and blue Spike Tops in Super Mario Maker. Or more appropriately, gray and red Cheep Cheeps in the original Super Mario Bros. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:27, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

The Blue and Red variations are split here because the Prima guide separates them too. Since that particular guide is the sole official source of their English names, I think following through with its deliberations is the best course of action. We can also consult that elusive Japanese guide I mentioned on Tim’s talk page once someone can report some more substantial info from it. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 16:56, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Prima guides also split colors for plenty of things we merge, so I think that's a bit of a fallacy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:21, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

My point is that, in this case, we perceive Prima as an absolute authority by virtue of them being the only licensed publication to offer proper names for even the most basic, infrequent contrivances and obstacles, including the aforementioned two gentlemen of azure and vermilion complexion. I do recognise they’re prone to mistakes regardless; the very same guide suggests performing a corkscrew attack to make underwater vegetation retract, when simply swimming into it does the job. However, such observations can easily be made note of in the article and swiped under the rug. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:35, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

And my point is these are the same model with different textures applied and the guide referring them by color is not per se calling them separate species. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:51, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

They have different appearances and behavioral properties, slight as these may be. Under these conditions, whether they are the same species or separate altogether should be up to the highest available authority on the matter to decide—in this case, Prima, who separates them in different sections, suggesting they are in fact two different subjects. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:02, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Prima seems to just call them "Finleys" elsewhere in that guide with no color identification, on page 54 for example (regarding Big Top Bop). LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:04, April 21, 2021 (EDT)

Said level only features the green variety though. It's more than probable the author just uses "Finley" as a shorthand so they don't have to repeatedly mention their colour, as opposed to a covert statement that they're all the same species, else we'd be hard pressed to merge all Finleys including the green variety into one page. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:42, April 21, 2021 (EDT)

Well, consulting the Shogakukan guide, Blue Finley is considered the basic variety of Finley, Red Finley seems to be derived from it, and Green Finley is another thing possibly related to Lockjaw. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:43, May 3, 2021 (EDT)