I remember this

Always been a fan of this one. ^^

Yeah, you guys will get them eventually. Religion is still rampant in how the Government makes those kind of decisions...

"Religion" pertains to the more major religions like christianity, islam and judaism... there are many more religions than this and some if not most are open to it :)

He was just being general, as any sort of religion doesn't belong in a government, really.

N'eh, I agree. You don't need to jump down my throat.

This is what I dislike about communicating without spoken words. :( I was actually being friendly. I just don't use smile emotes often enough when I'm tired.

*Pats your head* :c I know what you mean. Sorry... I'm tired too. Lols..

>w< Go sleep?

Bitch shut up, don't start being friendly.

what?

Bitch(you), don't start being friendly. (Which means don't start being nice, from this point.)

Uh, I have no idea what you're on about, but okay?

I don't know how to be more blatantly obvious than that. Maybe you're just stupid.

Don't worry, I'll be a jerk enough for the both of us.

What I don't understand, is why your intelligence is so low that you insist I am a "bitch", when I never did anything bitchy in the first place.

Clearly Dawn wanted to start an argument, you didn't accept her bait and it diffused into nothing.

Which blatantly makes you a bitch.

I also find it funny that you try to insult my "smarts" when it's clear that I'm your superior. :B

I see.

Googly moogly googly. >:3

Nooooooooooo.

beep boop on the nose.

I have an instant dislike of you.

You seems to have that on everyone.

This is true...

Ah well. I guess it can't be helped.

Not with that attitude.

Well i am sorta having fun with this.

I would hope so.

You're somewhat fun to talk to even though you dislike me.

I don't dislike you, I love you.

I don't see anything in the context of your message that is offensive.

I feel it's more of an issue of people not understanding how language, written or spoken, is. Just cause rainbows, butterflies, and flowers aren't in a straight forward message, doesn't mean it had any actual tone associated with it.

I blame this on the overly-bubbly, smiley/emote-rampant matter of typing that FAR too many furs abuse. It comes to a point that if you don't use enough emotes, your message is considered to be hostile or unfriendly. I've sadly had to adopt emotes/smileys in my messages to a certain degree, or people think I'm being "mean" to them all the time. T_T;;

I don't understand, honestly. I have some raccoon cussing me out too.

AKARaccoon is a troll plain and simple ive had to ban the user from my page cause of the slandering and trolling comments made by the user

Honestly he/she's not bothering me. But thanks :3

<3 i just love this picture.. it is amizeing

Amazing*

:P dont care about small grammar mistakes as long as it is readable and understandable :3

That wasn't grammar, that was spelling. Reading text that is improperly formatted takes longer and it is therefore disrespectful to your readers to not attempt to correct any mistakes.

:P your just wasting time in writing that you know

You're*

:3 yay for wasteing time(now trying to mispell):P

We aren't wasting time, we're pointing out your blatantly inbred retardation. If you consider that wasting time, then you're more-so than I originally thought which merely validates my premise.

:P yet your wasting time on something stupid as this and you call me in-bred look at yourself, this was just about a simple spelling error nothing else yet you go on like this , my friend you are once again wasting your time with this , all over me forgetting to spell check something in a simple comment.

Morons such as yourself murdering the English language doesn't seem like a stupid topic. I'm going to guess that your some idiot from the United States who was failed by the public educational system--and instead of trying to fix things that were wronged, you're merely confirming the stereotype of the idiotic "American".

yet i am not a moron nor am i from the U.S and dude really this was over the moment you started on with your own moronic thoughts, no one here was murdering the English language this all started over the fact that i forgot to spell check my comment.
Hun this is just FA and just a comment. and this isn't even your picture. you yourself are going against this pic by acting like this and have no right in starting a stupid comment tree over a simple spelling error that is all it was so stop this idiotic behavior and grow up out of it, i made a mistake that is all did nothing else <.<...

You shouldn't need to spell-check your--what is to be believed--native language. Which I hope is not.

Also--I'm definitely NOT going against this picture by acting like this, if I was going against this picture I could call you a faggot and proceed to threaten you. But that would merely be silly.

o just grow up and stop this useless argument there is and was no reason to start or go this far with this useless fight.

If you consider your own retardation to be meaningless, then fine.

<.< moron just grow up

Hopefully when idiots learn to use their native language I won't have to go on these crusades.

hopefully you grow up and stop being a idiot long enough to see no one care about what your saying :3

Which is why retards such as yourself will continue to run free on this planet.

by acting like this the only retard here is the stupid trolling coon :3

Yes because my flawless grammatical skills reflect retardation.

Let's not be racist, either.

haha flawless my ass, your just a glorified loser with no life :3 stupid troll get a life

I'll wait here for you to point out my flaw.

Go on, I'll wait.

haha why would i want to go down to your level just grow up you loser and get a life :3

It merely confirms your retardation by saying things that have no logic or truth behind them.

Nice try--inbred.

lol and all your proving to everyone is that your a loser who has now life and only feels good in putting people down over noting of any importance such as a simple comment on a picture that isn't even yours now just stop this stupid behavior and grow up you in-bred freak of a grammar Nazi coon :P*walks away from this stupid useless conversation.. hope you enjoy being laughed at and good bye

You're attempting to call me inbred when it's blatantly obvious that I'm your superior?

Haha, nice one. Let me know when you're done failing.

I also know that you're going to reply to this. So I'll wait.

Can we all just drop the drama and be all cute and fuzzy instead?

Hm...

This is the most amazing argument I've ever read

I shall never deny this.

all i ask, by viewing this, is that there are SOOOO many other posts with spelling errors out there, so why the hell must you taint this wonderful artist's post with your mean, distasteful nagging and trolling? Big whoop, nothing's perfect. If everything were perfect, everything would be bland. To be creative, you have to lose your fear of being wrong. Which in short, means you are not a creative man sir, for you have been trying to correct everyone as of yet.

...Iv said my peace

I try to correct what I see wrong. If I don't see it, I won't try and correct it--obviously.

LOL

Dude, I'm from Canada and I just graduated with A's.
No one is perfect in their grammar, spelling, or punctuation, and in all seriousness these is are Fur Affinity comments you are correcting. Great to know that your life has reached such an impeccable apex of astounding achievement.

Luv ya! =D ~<3

Shirou

No one is perfect in their grammar, spelling, or punctuation, and in all seriousness these is are Fur Affinity comments you are correcting

Well, you're certainly right about yourself.

"We *weren't* wasting time*;* we're pointing out your blatantly inbred retardation."
Unless you're still in the process of the action you should be writing it in past tense. Also just wanted to correct some punctuation; semi-colons are our friends too.

This conversation obviously isn't over, so "aren't" is correct. Unless you have some other sort of flawed logic you'd like to throw out into the mix. Also, it's perfectly fine to have a comma where I had placed it, and suggesting that I should have used a semi-colon merely points out your blatant disregard for that whole phrase.

Semicolons are like commas, but more awesome. Also, a semicolon would have been preferable in the sentence in question.

Hm, I am a fan of awesome...

Most are. Now apologize to him.

Haha.

Unbelievably gay.

Don't see why Gay Marriage is banned in the first place. Pretty much shows that "Separation of Church and State" is bullshit.

Funny that this should be mentioned, since in the Constitution of the U.S., it states that "All men are created equal" AND "No government party shall base laws showing favoritism towards any religious establishment"... Therefore, a party of the government banning same-sex marriage is acting illegally, since the ONLY backing that the government will receive for SSM is through the religious sects... Oddly, no one has even thought of the "special" clause in the Constitution that states "If the people believe that the government is not acting in their best interests. The people have the power to overthrow the governing party and establish a new government."

Don't believe me? Go look it up xP

My apologies to  taurinfox for the rant... Had to get that out of my system...

I am openly gay, I will fight for my rights, and for this I am a proud outcast to society

Uh...yeah, I was pretty much stating what you just 'ranted'. the ban on gay marriage is going against "separation of church and state". Basically, the ban is, as you said, illegal.

Despite the despair I expressed when I created this image, I am absolutely sure that these bans will be struck down eventually (which is why I chose that particular quote). The only thing that's still in question is how long it will take.

Wasn't '04 a big year for the Gay Rights movement? I'm never too sure about that... Though I do know that there have been leaps and bound in the right direction in the past couple of years... If only few and far between each x.x

In 2003, Massachusetts became the first state to legally recognize same-sex marriages, which was HUGE for the gay rights movement. Unfortunately, that also fueled a backlash against the gay community, in the form of the constitutional amendments I mentioned in my commentary. It took until 2008 before another state would also legalize it (in that case, California). Unfortunately, CA's attempts to legalize marriage equality were reversed in the '08 elections by popular vote. But since then, CT, VT, NH, IA, and Washington DC have all followed suit, giving us 6 jurisdictions in the US with marriage equality

Oh, ok... I live in Washington State, and I know that the governor has recently passed Ref. 71, which gives couples that are living together, but not married, the same rights as married couples. This includes homosexual couples...

So we're almost there... And I do remember the riots that followed that fiasco in Cali xD

Though at this point, I'm thinking on moving to Canada

Sadly, Maine fell behind. Not sure if you might have heard, but just last year/Early this year, Maine held a vote as to whether to remove the right to gay marriage in their state, the "Yes" voters winning out and having the amendment remove. That voting session was the first I ever voted in, having turned 18 in 09, and having been in college in Maine. My college, in fact, actually had alot of debates and meetings about the vote when it was announced to happen, leading to a two-on-two debate between four Maine locals. The irony? Three were church-goers who spoke of god.One guess where two of them fell. yet, despite losing out, the vote was an extremely close one, enough that had the anti-gay half of my college not voted, the vote might have turned out different it seems.

Sadly, Maine seems a little too Redneck as of right now.

I actually followed the Maine developments very closely. I was extremely disappointed by the results, but there is a VERY important difference between what happened in Maine, and what happened in CA. In CA, the state's supreme court decided that the right to marriage equality already existed, and the voters responded by amending the states constitution in a way that took the authority to make that decision away from both the courts AND the legislature.

In Maine, the courts have not gotten involved yet, and the constitution is still open to interpretation. The legislature proposed a bill that WOULD have legalized marriage equality, but that particular bill was blocked by voters. Maine still has the opportunity to propose a new bill in the future that would legalize equality, or its court could do the same.

This is true, but my comment of it being too red-neck still stands. Hell, as you no doubt know, the original reason for the bill being put up for voter vetoing was because of a smear campaign that falsely accused the law of requiring the education of young kids about gay marriage and lifestyle. Thankfully, the campaign was torn down before the final vote, but I still saw traces of it, and still saw the damage it had done. It saddens me to some degree, but I guess in time the state shall come around.

Hopefully not long, if Obama keep his promise.
At the beggining on the month he wrote: "Much work remains to fulfill our Nation's promise of equal justice under law for LGBT Americans. That is why we must give committed gay couples the same rights and responsibilities afforded to any married couple, and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press.....er-pride-month

I really hope you will have your mariage right; our President (in France) try always to imitate Obama, so I guess it may help us also.

Obama hasn't done jack-shit.
He hasn't kept any of his promises; why would he keep this one?
He isn't even for gay marriage, just in case you missed the memo.

Yes, I'm gay.
And no, I'm not a Republican.
Or a Democrat. But I'm closer to Democrat.
But I never really liked Obama. He's just all talk and no action.

Didn't he really did things for social security ? At least ? (I didn't really follow what else he did)

I don't even know.
I know what he promised, and I haven't seen anything done for it.

Whereas Bush is botched speeches, and horrid actions.

Yeah, I'm glad we didn't downgrade...LOL.

Also, Obama has done a lot of things, however--HOWEVER, Biden is technically against Gay Marriage, so that complicates things a tad.

According to Biden: "No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage."

IE, you're taking my post the wrong way. I think the ban is stupid, why is it even there? What's so bad about gay marriage? Nothing. So why is it banned, US Government?

I'm sorry if it seemed that I was ranting against you... That wasn't my intent... I was just adding to the statement... I've studied quite a bit of Law pertaining to the Constitution of the U.S.

Again, I apologize to you and anyone else if I offended...

Except that marriage originated from religion. It's not religions fault that the government decided to implement it into their system. On the contrary, in fact.

Actually, civil marriage existed first, mainly as a property arrangement among wealthy land owners. The religions took it over later on. But my point here is that marriage isn't JUST about religion, OR government. It's about the social statement that a couple is trying to make by getting married, and by excluding one group for arbitrary reasons, the government is implying that that group doesn't deserve to have their relationships recognized on the same terms as everyone else. That's the part that burns me

I feel marriage shouldn't be limited to genders and essentially is just a bonding partnership, but social statement? Sure that's an effect that occurs, but I would want it banned if that was even a reason. No one should have to accept or agree on a marriage, it's a partnership between two people, and shouldn't be some social ideology like some sports car or crap.

If I ever marry, it's to give rights to my partner as well as myself as an identified couple, not so I can parade around as soulmates to society.

Again, I go back to my original point that marriage means different things to different people, and that the government shouldn't ban some couples for its own arbitrary reasons, while allowing others

To me, it means financial incentives. To most others, I bet it means love. Haha.

Point being that, in a free society, individuals should be free to choose what marriage means to them, even if the majority disagrees.

I don't like the term marriage, that's a religious term no matter how you look at it.

I disagree that marriage is exclusively a religious term, but that opinion also goes back to my point about letting people define it for themselves.

Honestly, I think you and I have a similar opinion on this, but we're getting caught up on the language, so lets just drop it here, or else we'll end up going around in circles indefinitely <=)

You callin' me fat?

I don't know, you callin' me gay?

I think your animations speak for themselves.

...

*Goes off to "reaffirm" your animations*

:B

Yea, I guess it is pretty obvious, huh? XD

Well, it's hard to tell with some people.

Especially the females... >:

*jumps up and down flapping my paws* SUPER!!!!!!!

...Hm.

=^.^=

Lol reminds me of Big Gay Al.

Loved that fat son of a bitch.

when i do the gay lisp for my mate i actually sound like him

And now it's dead.

Personally, the only thing I want to get married for is the benefits. It's amazing how many benefits married folk get. That's the only reason I would ever consider such a thing. There's no reason to have something labeled like that just because you love each other.

Again, marriage means different things to different people, but the main point is that the government shouldn't use arbitrary restrictions to ban certain types of people from participating in a civil institution. But yea, even if you're JUST focusing on legal rights, there are over 1500 federal and state laws which ONLY apply to legally married couples. And ,thanks to DOMA, the majority of those rights (all of the federal ones) STILL don't apply to legally married SS couples, even in the states where their marriages are recognized.

Regardless of how you view marriage, there's simply no way to look at the current situation as fair.

The bottom line for me is that gay couples should have the same opportunity to call (or not call) their relationships "marriage" as their heterosexual peers do. If no gay couple chooses to call their relationship "marriage," that's perfectly fine with me, but they deserve an equal opportunity to make that choice for THEMSELVES, and that's the point I'm trying to make.

Yeah, but I believe everyone enjoys an equal opportunity of everything. I don't particularly view marriage to be any different a subject than any other that involves discrimination.

You have a good point... I'll have to go do some more digging around about this, might have missed something... x.x

Regardless of where marriage originated, the fact is that civil marriage and religious marriage are, and have always been, two separate institutions in this country. Religious organizations are free to marry (or not marry) anyone according to their own specific religious rites, and the government is expected to provide the legal rights and benefits of civil marriage to any couple that qualifies and signs the appropriate legal contract, regardless of their religious affiliation. To do otherwise would violate the 1st amendment.

Case in point: The catholic church typically won't marry a catholic to a non-Catholic, but the government has no such restriction. The Catholic church also doesn't typically recognize divorce, but the government does. So a person who is legally divorced, may still be married in the eyes of the church.

But wouldn't banning gay marriage be siding with any of the religious establishments? Seems like there's a lot of loop holes and contradictions to the Constitution now that I'm looking at it differently...

"special" clause in the Constitution that states "If the people believe that the government is not acting in their best interests. The people have the power to overthrow the governing party and establish a new government."

where is this?

I'll have to go back and look, but as far as I know, it's in there (just don't know where x.x)... It was put into the Constitution in accordance to England's rule over the 13 original colonies, the fore fathers knew that there would be a time when the government would fail its people and become corrupt... The original Constitution was written when the King of England (at that time) was over-taxing the people of the colonies to aid in funding for their war with France. On top of that, the English military that was occupying the colonies were also treating the people unfairly. The fore fathers didn't want a repeat of this so they included that clause into the Constitution, though I'm sure that the current government's stricken that from view to keep the people "in line"...

I remember reading this in my text books in Elementary and High School, actually did a couple of essays on the matter (history was my favorite subject xP)...
Eh.. call me paranoid or a conspiracy theorist, but I'm very certain that it's there... I'll go look that up now x.x

Alright, I just looked this up... The government did actually change the Constitution... Amendment 14 under Citizen's Rights.... Seems that the Amendment was changed to prevent rebellion against the U.S.

I'm not sure if I've read this wrong or something, but here's the link that I found... http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Funny how things turn out so differently when you get older... x.x

The 14th amendment was amended? To prevent rebellion? You're making zero sense.

I just re-read what I wrote... yeah... I'm getting confused myself... x.x *shakes a paw in the air* curse you common cold!!!!

My understanding is that the 2nd amendment was put in to allow for armed rebellion against the government if it were to become too corrupt. There was certainly a feeling of distrust towards the government when the constitution was written, and it makes sense that the power of the people to overthrow a corrupt government would at least be implied, if not not explicitly stated in the document.

It's actually in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

The second paragraph goes into all that.


The Second Amendment guarantees that we have the right to bear arms, not only to protect us from foreign endangerment, but to also have the security of keeping the government from infringing on our rights of a free state.

That is the only part of the Constitution that specifically allows us to protect ourselves from the government, or to go to war with the government should it become despotic and oppressive, with no hope of changing it. We are quickly reaching that point, but not quite there yet. It can still change for the better.

The 14th Amendment merely states the laws of compensation in the event of an insurrection/rebellion, as well as who can or who can not hold office as a result of said insurrection.

lol

This is getting faved v.v

oh boy


can't wait for another shitstorm to start over this

:I

I remember this too :P

It's emotional ...

Inspirational quote from ghandi there :)
and I also remember this ... always a good one

I mean Im straight but yet, I think this is great way to show off gay pride

I mean its ridiculous that people outcast them
and aswell as over in america where they apparently have gay protests...

bang out of order if you ask me..

I thought it was something to do with that.

I'm volunteering at my local LGBT centre (Rainbow Centre) after I'm done with a training course...And hopefully taking part in the Fayre Float too.

Kar

Reminds me of the one from Waterways!

Hmm coincidence?

Of course not!!!

Homosexuality= A reason to fight for equal rights.

Furry= Hobby. Open for criticism.



You're doing it wrong. I'm sorry but you lose the game.

www.taurinfox.com/standing-proud.html

Learn to read. The image is about GLBT, not being a fur.

Fail

you fail sir LMAO

Yeah, although it looks suspiciously furry-pride-oriented, I think Taurin really just wanted it to be about homosexuality.

Heheh, furry pride. That's just silly =P

This art is not about being a furry; it's about homosexuality.

You failed harder than anyone else in these comments.

No, sir, you did. You also failed the Reading Comprehension test. FAIL.

This is pure awesomeness =3

Unfortunately, I think you can type explanations and clarifications about this image's meaning until your fingers fall off, but I think there will always be people out there that misinterpret the meaning or will still want to use it to troll you. :-/

I've always loved this picture, though. :)

so good n.n

that furry stoled my necklace D:

This pic seems familiar...

One of the first furry pictures I ever saw, which is amusing, because the meaning isn't related to furs in any way.

Amazing piece, good to see it again.

Always did like this one, even though it's probably the most parodied furry picture ever.

That is one of my favourite pieces of furry artwork. Thank you for making and for posting it.

Oh so it's YOU who drew this! :P

I think that little "Taurin Fox '04" in the bottom right corner could answer that for you :3

*Shrugs* I saw this several years ago, and I've only been in the fandom for two years. Still a bit green, see.

Heh :p it's all good... I've only been "officially" in the fandom since January, but I've seen Taurin Fox's work for about 3-4 years now :o

Ahh...

Alright, explain this one.

Why the heck does the fox have dragon/cat eyes

explain this... why is the tiger blue? lol come on its imagination given form

I know and appreciate imagination, hell I'm a dragon. I just find the change of something that subtle a bit odd.

thats what makes it stand out in a large crowd right? :D

The Tiger is blue because he comes from a land called "The Tundra" (Which is also a tundra) where it's so god damn cold, it freezes your fur and as a result, it turns blue.

Imagination ftw :3

Red foxes have slit pupils They also have a special reflective coating on the inside of their eyes, which works along with the slit pupil for improved night vision. As far as I know, they're the only canines who have eyes like that. They also have semi-retractable claws, which is another cat-like feature. *has done a lot of research on foxes*

.. So they have o:

My apologies.

No apology necessary Being the huge fan of foxes that I have always been, I didn't even know that fact about them until just a few years ago, when one of my fans commented on a piece I did involving a fox with round pupils.

Personally I think it looks pretty sweet :3

One day... one day... *takes a moment of silence*

Just remember, anyone who takes this image and uses it in an way it was not intended so they can smear your good name is guilty of a false light invasion of privacy.

NO GAYS ALLOWED
THIS IS A CLASSY JOINT

The simple fact that the rights of a minority can be decided by the majority really pisses me off. Is this what's called democracy now?

TECHNICALLY, in a democracy the majority vote is what decisions go off of.

And before anyone assumes anything, I am in full support of gay rights, I just had to point that out, sorry.

I meant to italicize that quote. Oops.

Actually, by definition, a democracy is a system where the majority vote decides what happens. Don't get me wrong, I support gay rights too, it's just that's how democracy works. The way to make sure gay rights are respected is to convince the majority to support you.

And don't worry, it may seem hopeless, but things are starting to change. After all, it took decades for blacks to stop segregation; you can't expect the whole country to suddenly be pro-gay. It takes time.

The USA is not a pure democracy, in fact it's Federal Constitutional Republic. To make it simple you vote for a President and Political Representatives you chose. They in return forum central government that has the power to make laws for the whole country. On the other hand there is the Supreme Court (who you do not vote for). It is there job to make sure the Constitution is followed and make sure all laws put into place must never violate Citizens right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Voting for civil rights is a new thing started by the far right in the last two decades. Never before in history has this been allowed. Thankfully we have a court system to protect us for unjust treatment. It's only a mater of time before all of these laws are over turned. Based on The Fourteenth Amendment.

Yes, I know that, thank you. I was merely explaining democracy.

Your welcome as I was merely explaining that the USA is not the democracy some people think it is.

Um, yes, I know it's a republic. However, the country is still guided by the majority somewhat. After all, it may be under one government, but the people (the majority) still have a say.

The majority do have a say, yes. Unless it infringes on the rights of a minority. And in this whole gay marriage "debate", all I ever hear is that the people of California or other states; that people voted to discriminate against gays voted in a majority to discriminate. All the talking heads must be a real unintelligent bunch because not once have I heard any of them say that it doesn't matter what the people voted on, the constitution is the constitution and it's there to protect people from mob rule. Which our founding fathers were all to familiar with.

Remember that at one time 80% of the population was for slavery. Did that make slavery right? No. Just because the public votes a certain way does not mean that it is constitutionally viable or right. And if we are not going to up hold the fundamentals of the Constitution, then we may as well start tearing this experiment down through violent madness.

A constitutional amendment that condones discrimination will be the end of this country as we know it.


James Madison on protecting the minority of the opulent. (From the debates at the Constitutional Convention.)

"We are now to determine whether the republican form shall be the basis of our government. -I admit there is weight in the objection of the gentleman from South Carolina; but no plan can steer clear of objections. That great powers are to be given, there is no doubt; and that those powers may be abused is equally true. It is also probable that members may lose their attachments to the States which sent them-Yet the first branch will control them in many of their abuses. But we are now forming a body on whose wisdom we mean to rely, and their permanency in office secures a proper field in which they may exert their firmness and knowledge. Democratic communities may be unsteady, and be led to action by the impulse of the moment. -Like individuals, they may be sensible of their own weakness, and may desire the counsels and checks of friends to guard them against the turbulence and weakness of unruly passions. Such are the various pursuits of this life, that in all civilized countries, the interest of a community will be divided. There will be debtors and creditors, and an unequal possession of property, and hence arises different views and different objects in government. This indeed is the ground-work of aristocracy; and we find it blended in every government, both ancient and modern. Even where titles have survived property, we discover the noble beggar haughty and assuming.

The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa, or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge of the wants or feelings of the day laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe; when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of the landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability. Various have been the propositions; but my opinion is, the longer they continue in office, the better will these views be answered."

Um...okay.

Hell yes

One of your best works man <3 STAND TALL AND PROUD!!!

Very nice. :)

Faved. This picture is a brilliant and righteous message in it's own way and I admire you for sharing it with your fans. :)

Oh, excellent - that explanation will be great to post when some inbred asshat uses this to poke at furries in various places. Thanks for posting it.

Hey you actually posted it, that's awesome!

I always liked this picture, maybe not for what it was intended, but still, thanks for posting it here =P

Despite popular believe violence is always a solution.

hey, if it ever happens, sign me up! I know my fiance will be there too!

You'll find one *petpets*

I understand your anger. I'm a supporter for Gay rights, and it tick me off on how some people bash others on such a trivial thing.

But doing violent acts against bashers is just going to harm the Gay Rights Movement...at least that's what I think. If any violence is to be thrown, let it be from the Bashers; it will then hurt their Gay Ban Movement while expressing sympathy to the Rights Movement.

Believe me, I put a lot of studying to movements like this.

Well yeah...self defense and all. ^^;

But it depends on what state you're in...say like...Texas.

*Overexaggeration heard from a RL friend*
A football player attacks a wimp, get a slap on the wrist.
A wimp attacks a football player in self-defense, get the chair.

That's what he thinks; I have nothing to do with it. Then again, Texas is a very "Far Right" state.

Ehehe ^^;

Oh no! I'm not homophobic at all...just not quite used to hearing that being said out in the open.

I have a few friends that are gay/bi.

Oh. I never seen that movie.

X3

Please be the better man and don't fight homophobes unless you're directly attacked okay? Let them wallow in their own hate, we don't need to get involved with them unless they get involved with you and your fellow homosexuals.

Okay, just being sure.

I've so been waiting for this one! I love it!

I remember this too. One of the first images I saw after joining the fandom.

I first saw this picture on the day I learned about the existence of furries, over 11 years ago.
A relic of the fandom, this is.

This always made me sad. :(

How so?

It's a sad topic.

True...it can be a very saddening topic at times.

Indeed.

*Sigh* Took some of the thoughts out of my head.

To my point of view, this is a New World where we can't afford to have such Conservative views, else history is doomed to repeat itself.

*stands alongside the fox*

I was going to post a long, drawn out conversation, which started to sound like trolling..... even though I'm nothing but supportive.

So I'll just say this. Awesome pic ^-^

Funny, when I saw this piece back in... when was it, '05? I took it for exactly what it was, and still remember it clear as day, despite not having looked at it probably since then. It's an image that burns in your mind, standing out and causing you to remember it. Hell, looking now, I still see all the same details I saw then, and just smile.

I'm proud to be American, despite it's faults, and your statement is correct. It will take time, but eventually, All marriage will be recognized across the board. America has shown this with many things. Lives change, social norms change, and times change.

America may be slow to adapt at times (this situation being a prime example) but it does tend to end up at the right place eventually

i'm ok with that, respect dude,

oh i remember this picture! it motivated me to come (mostly) out of the closet! well, more along the lines it gave me the final push i needed to tell my friends i was gay, but same difference.

thankyou
/fave

by the way, i think the rainbow colors means hip hop and all that stuff

so gay =p

always loved this one. ^^

Such a meaningful picture.

It makes me upset how some people condemn Gays and yet call themselves good people.

One of the real things that threw me behind full support for Gay Rights was the fact that some countries in the world, mainly in Africa, put people to DEATH for homosexuality!!!

And another thing that grinds my teeth is that people are using the word "Marriage" as an excuse to ban Gay marriage. In my eyes, the word "marriage" is a word branched off from its original term "Matrimony" to fuel the Anti-Gay Movements.

"Matrimony" has absolutely no mention of a distinct union between a man and a woman; it is simply "A union out of love". If people started looking into Matrimony instead of Marriage, then this whole thing would've been settled a while back.

Sorry for the rant; had to vent.

One word; Uganda

That's one of the Death Sentance countries?

Just the picture alone at the "Age Verify" screen is enough for me.

Uganda recently made news because of a bill that they're trying to pass. Not only would homosexuality be punishable by death, but anyone who KNOWS a gay person, and fails to turn them in, would be sentenced to no less than 3 years in prison.

That's outragous insanity!!!

I know, right? And to make things worse, the introduction of that law was traced directly back to anti-gay hate groups here in the US! They sent people over there for the sole purpose of stirring up animosity against gays by convincing them that we were going to rape their children if they didn't do something to stop us =/

*Sigh* I sense a repeat of pre-WWII here except the persicution is moreover against Gays this time, instead of Jews.

Gays actually were a targeted group in NAZI Germany, they just aren't talked about much because they were a much smaller group than the Jews, and because most people find it easier to sympathize with Jews as a group than with gays.

I know that; I learned it in AP History that gays were one of many involved in the Holocaust.

Grrr! It just makes me mad how so many people can have their heads stuck so far up their ass!

Agreed

If one guy came up and said "Gays and Gay Marriage are an abomination by the bible." I'd say, "That's some belief: Be straight or burn in Hell. Yeah; that sounds very Christian."

The Bible's Old Testiment, including anything against gays (If there is any in it at all) are nullified by the New Testiment, which teaches a lesson of acceptance and love for everyone regardless of who we may be. Those who say the above obviously didn't read or learn from the NT. I didn't read all of it; I was basically raised in an atmosphere of acceptance thanks to my mother.

Leviticus 20:13 is the favorite Bible verse that haters love to pull out of context, and use to justify any and all anti-gay discrimination. The problem, however, is that they take just that ONE verse literally, while disregarding commandments to stone disobedient children, to not wear clothing containing two different types of fabric, to not touch women while they're menstruating, to not eat shellfish, that say its okay to sell your daughters into slavery, and so on... all of which are found in the same book of the Bible that condemns homosexuality.

They have no problem exempting themselves from the rules that would actually apply to them, and then focus on the one rule that allows them to pass moral judgment over others who are different from them.

That's beyond hypocratic...

That's outrageous insanity!!!

Beautiful. I've always loved this picture.

more like infamous

A very nice quote for a very nice pic. It's pride here in Denver this weekend, and one of the banners I saw was something I believe in firmly: "Civil Marriage is a Civil Right"

Quite true The religions are free to recognize and celebrate religious marriage however they want, and I strongly support their freedom to do so, but if the government is going to grant LEGAL rights based on relationship status, then they can't single out one group they don't like to deny those rights to.

my sentiments exactly. :)

I think the way this image has been so widely circulated and held up by both furs and trolls alike ultimately is just proof of how iconic and well-done it is. I really enjoyed reading the commentary you had about it, it confirmed the way I'd always interpreted it in the past anyway. Honestly, the rainbow and pride rings and all made it always pretty clear to me it was about LGBT rights anyway. It's an issue close to a lot of our hearts, I think especially in the furry community with its diversity and acceptance.

Thanks for posting this. I think it's an image that deserves to be proudly displayed here. :)

This has always been one of my favorite pieces that you've ever done.

Ah, an old classic! Good stuff :]

Though I'm sure you didn't enjoy it's many 4chan iterations, This picture has given me the most entertainment. Take that as good or as bad if you want, But I think you should see it as good- It makes someone smile, yes?

okay

To tell you the truth, I always found this picture hilariously dramatic, but I know you drew this for support to the gay community, so at least your intentions are sound. :)

The gay marriage thing just pisses me off SOOO much. I mean, it shouldn't matter what you think or believe, preventing us from getting married to another consenting adult is standing in the way of our RIGHTS. And it just....just....UGH. Even if the facts said that gay marriage could cure all the problems in the world, people would STILL stand in our way. Sorry for "preaching to the choir". Sometimes the anger just builds up and I have to get rid of it somehow.

ANYWAY, I just wanted you to know that I am engraving that quote into my heart for ever. I love Ghandi and all his words of wisdom, and I wanted to thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Oh, and I'm a HUGE fan of your work! (I hope you're working on another animation! )

Chahiro~

This is my absolute favorite piece by you Taurin. It moves me and makes my heart swell with pride to be what I am. I only wish that I could speak out and stand up for what I believe. Thanks you Taurin again for posting this. It means a lot.

Yall niggas gay.

OMG, The Boondocks!

Thank you for the link to the explanation of this picture. I knew it but never knew why exactly he was crying for.
My best hope, for the USA citizen, would be that Leo Magna (fur-piled's author) was right, in CA the proposition 8 banned gay mariage, but the number of vote for banning was less than was it would have been a few years ago, and if the same kind of vote happens in a few years, then the number will be under 50% and this mariage will be possible again.

A better hope is riding on the federal trial "Perry vs. Schwarzenegger," where prop 8 is being challenged in federal court based on the idea that prop 8 is invalid under the 14th amendment, which states that any laws must be applied equally to all citizens. A victory in this case could invalidate all state constitutional amendments that currently ban marriage equality. But yes, at the very least, research suggests that a new vote on a "prop-8" style referendum would end up in our favor if taken now, rather than against us, as it did in '08.

Hey, this is that famous pic I find shoop'd so many times to talk about furry porn or whatever~

Lots of laughs...lots of laughs.

Right on man!

*sigh* Upon looking on this pic, I feel some degree of sadness... I have had a really hard week, and it hasn't gotten much better.

This pic was meant to bring attention to the issue, rather than a resolution. Also keep in mind that it was done back in '04, and things have gotten better since then ;) Read the commentary and see my Happy Pride Fox image, posted later. Things are looking up overall, but we also can't afford to be complacent.

I'm glad for you in this, Taurin, and "Happy Proud Fox" is one of my favorite non-adult sketches. I wasn't so much worried about same-sex marriage, though; indeed, things are looking up for it... Mind if we talk?

Not at all, message me or e-mail me

Thanks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpu6ne5-cQ


this is awesome... it backs the gay community up

I'm reposting my statement about your drawing from furrydrama_2 to here. These are my thoughts on marriage:

I really couldn't give a damn about marriage. The whole right-to-marry issue comes down to partnership rights, not persecution.

If you're in the hospital unconscious and you're married, your partner decides what would be best. If you live in a state where gay marriage is not recognized, your family decides what to do even if you've a partner. What if you don't have a family? The doctor decides what to do, not always a good thing.

I should also note the drama which occurred here in Alaska a couple years back. There were issues regarding couples who had domestic partners where one couldn't take sick leave off to take care of their mate. This is where the "gay marriage" comes in to play, since employers must grant time to those who are married. This issue occurred at the state level employment.

I used to believe marriage was more than just a legal contract, but that's really all it is... People do marry for reasons of money, tax purposes, inheritance, etc... People complain about how marriage is being destroyed, well it's already destroyed in my view. Unless people want to redefine reasons to marry, esp for heterosexual couples, then people should allow same-sex couples to marry.

There are domestic partnerships for what it's worth in states like Washington, but they don't have the full advantage of the legal contract of marriage.

There are currently two types of marriage in my view. One being married by a religious organization. The second being married by the municipality where an individual resides where two are married by the city clerk.

People should 1) restrict marriage to reasons/religion and create a domestic partnership law on the federal level, or 2) open marriage to all on the federal level.

Exactly! As far as the government is concerned, marriage should should be available to ALL as a legal contract, or available to NONE if it's considered exclusively a religious rite. My issue is that they're currently giving SOME couples legal rights, while denying it to others. Either give it to everyone, or no one!

My issue is that they're currently giving SOME couples legal rights, while denying it to others.
"Some" couples? Damn those heterosexuals. Damn them!!

The religious factions want marriage to remain sacred because it's a foundation of their religious heritage. So, they want to preserve the idea of marriage so that it remains that way.

I do see in the future that Gay and Lesbians will be allowed to marry, but it would be exactly overnight. And it may not be exactly same type of marriage that are given to a man and woman. But I do see it happening.

I dont really have much to add to this except...THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! *hugs tightly* your a bloody awesome guy.

I say this photo once before and it really spoke to me. of course this was before my life on FA. it is always good to find the creator of something great.

~QWTB

An instant classic.

Mister Taurinfox.... May I call you "Mister"? Thanks....

Taurinfox, should I EVER get to meet you, I would like to shake your hand and thank you. I just.... Yeah.

Lol. Just, lol.

This image has gotten so much trolling on 4chan and such lol.

I do gotta ask ya something about this, what does the Ghandi quote mean? o.o; All these years and I'm still stumped.

It has to do with the process that an oppressed minority goes through in order order to achieve equality:

First, the majority ignores the fact that such a group exists.

Then they laugh at that group's attempts at being equal.

Then they fight against that group's attempts at being equal (in this case, passing anti-gay laws and constitutional amendments).

But ultimately, that group does win by achieving equality.

Ahhhhh, intresting. ^^

it's too epic for the internet.... it's also too epic for CHUCK NORRIS!
THIS SHOULD BE IN A MUSEUM!

I've got no major opinion regarding this image. I just popped in to look over the comments, considering the controversy which has surrounded it in the past. I didn't expect 5 pages of comments in the first day, though! Wow!

I wasn't quite sure what to expect, honestly, but the responses have been overwhelmingly positive

I was kind of expecting to see a link to one of the unauthorized photoshoped versions we all know are floating around out there, honestly. I'm glad I'm not seeing any, though.

Not my favourite image of yours, it has to be said. Not really sure why, but I wasn't as grabbed by it as others have been. Very iconic and the commentary adds to it though. :) Good stance and one I do support.

That's understandable. It's a very different style of image than I'm used to producing, but I do appreciate the support

Oh dear.

I saw this long ago and even thou it's been a while - it still moves me deeply. It's so strong, emotional... and I so totally agree with the meaning behind it.

As always - great job, Taurin.

Oh, and BTW... I dare you to make a similar pic to show the Horde and how it is treated by Blizzard Yes, I remember you back from the Claws

we get it gays are proud

yeah, it's a little bit more involved than that. Nice job reading the background :D

Raaawr, before I was into guys, and before I was furry this was STILL my favorite peice of artwork. And seeing as I check out a lot of art, both official and not, that's saying something.

You're a fantastic artist, TF. Always have been, and you'll no doubt get better. n.n

GODS LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because we are one :3
lets walk togethers Furries :3
i love this piece of art D:
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Eh all I have to say is we need way more separation from church and state any politician bringing religion into the office should be stripped of their authority :P anyway this is very well drawn though many see it as a whole fursecution picture which is kind of annoying. Heres to hoping america will smarten up sometime and allow gay marriage in every state.

I read the entires commentary of the link and I felt some of the emoton you had put forth into this. Kudos

Why should anyone want to go through a reigious rite (marriage) of a religion which doesn't accept this person?

when i 1st saw this drawing 2 years ago ( was when i did any thing with the furry fandom and thinking about being gay ) it helped me accept myself

This is the first time I have seen this.
Wonderful Image

I don't know whats with all the drama.
Your picture is pretty clear cut, you're a furry and you want equal rights and acceptance for gay people.

like, how hard is that to understand? :/

Exactly! XD

I'm very glad i was able to buy a print of this at anthrocon 09, it is a very inspiring piece to me and it hangs next to my desk in my office

Sorry to hear about all the harassment and misunderstanding. It's a great message.

So Pretty, So proudy

Beautiful picture and the message is so great, one of your best by far

this image inspired to me for creating a whole story

Awww

Yaoi...Gay...Homosexual...who cares it's just awesome

*applaudes*

...and, blocked

Delicious mboobs.

Must eat them! With a side order of fries!

I've got one of the jumbo prints of this. It's an awesome work of art. And emotion.

I wouldn't say its a battle. Just don't go strutting around in bondage gear in public once a year begging to be accepted and no one will care what you do behind closed doors. That and take the rainbow stickers off of your cars. No one cares what you screw. Its more or less the 'in you face, you better accept us' attitude that pisses every one else off. JMO.

You might want to try reading the commentary before you go making an ass out of yourself like that. JMO

you know you are very insensative to others, why do you have to be shuch an asshole to others?

not you Taurin, the guy above you :)

If those kinda people don't wanna see this or don't agree, why the hell do they take the time to click and then comment. *SNARLS*

P.S. Love you brothers.

I remember old times,when we used to see this and cry due to drama.

Now,we will remember this for the drama and laugh,and laugh,and laugh,and laugh...

_____

Also: Nice work.
Though,I seriously hate it.
I preffer the shoops, nuff said.

Jesus Christ.

Very inspiring picture. We'll fight until we can get the total equality, marriage, adoptions... all! IN ALL THE WORLD!

This picture is around for so long ... yet the message still stands, because equal rights are sadly still a myth. To be fair ... It is a lot better than maybe 10 years ago, at least here in germany, but equal rights ... no. Sadly, no.
Can't believe I missed to fave it, so I do now.

oh god oh god oh god

~after reading~
....Oh.
I first saw this image on the background of ayoutube channel during the "furry wars" when I gave a shit about them. I thought it was a "gay furry pride" thing.
Now I see I was wrong.
And while Im straight, and I AM married. I feel the same way about this as I do on the ban on smoking
America is the land of the free, yes? Sure theres rules and regulations to follow, but wasn't it establishe da LONG ASS TIME ago that government and REligion would never cross?
The ban onsame sex marriage mostly stems from religious beliefs thatmarriage should be between a man and a woman.
now if it was under government regulation,Marriage should be between two individuals who see fit to share the rest of their lives together, regardles of gender, race, or origin.
Same for smoking.
Dammit, if my co-worker wants to smoke, and its pouring the rain, he has to stand IN THE RAIN to smoke.
sucks, thats like"herp a derp I don't smoke so Im an elitist who is better than you and Im gonna ban you fromsmoking inside so I don't have to smell it. ~snorts a row of cocaine~"
....
Its a good picture though xD I can see how you've improved CONSIDERABLY since then.

It's so true that I can cry reading it

Family Guy said it best:
"If two straight people that HATE each other can get married, then why can't two gay people that LOVE each other?"

Okay, I lied. But the quote is nevertheless relevant, and I fully support your position & ideals. Two people that love each other should have every legal right to bind themselves together, regardless of age, race, or sex... Pretty soon people under 5 feet won't be able to marry because we aren't of adult stature and therefore resemble children, and that disturbs the religion of some people or-- okay, point made, it's silly either way...

In a word: Beautiful.

-Vaperfox

Well, the fact that I needed to scroll for fibe minutes to post a reply shows how popular this piece is. I just wanted to say that this was one of the first furry pics I jad seen, and influenced my decision to become one. It seems more of a GLBT picture, but I could see it as tolerance for furs as well. I didnt know who did it, and I was really surprised when I saw it in your gallery. So, for helping me become a furry, thank you. I dont know if I could have done it without this pictures message.

one: daaaaaaammmmmnnn alot of comments just to get to the damn bottom O.O two: ive been looking for this fucking pic for a long fucking time and its been right here the whole time?!?!

Thank you for Drawing and posting this. It means more than I can say. Thank You.

Beautiful :)

Ya know, the more I think about it, it's just fear. Well...until that person gets to know you then things might change. I find it weird that many other gays get harassment out there but not me. The people here just accept it and many love me for who I am (Which I appreciate) but there must be something I'm doing right to not get harassment. But what? Anyways Taurin, I must complement your work. It actually brings a tear to my eyes for the message it has plus your art just blows my mind! :D

Taurin.
I am truly happy that I finally found who made this. I do know that your persona is a male but I will be honest here, it does kinda look like a female from a distance.
Moving on, I think your work, both present and old, is both detailed and creative and I hope to see more art, like this and others, from you.
I also hope that you are doing well and I wish you the best of luck. Have a good one.

Taurin Listen Now matter what ppl say, no matter the pressure you feel, You are unique in your own way and I thank God for ppl like you a change is coming and let's hope for the best.

finally found it...*favs*

I read the commentary you posted Taurin. I am a fan of your non-sexually oriented work, and I appreciate alot of the sexually oriented stuff. But being of the group I am, I will have to fight you on this one.

Oh? What group is that, and what are you fighting me on, exactly?

I can't dislcose the name of the group but they are against gay rights...

*hugs* This picture made me proud to be who I am.