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I doodled this out while listening to the documentary Blackfish... I sorta wish all orcas could crawl out of Seaworld and breathe fire. ;(
2-3 hours, Photoshop.
PS — I'm open for an impromptu 2-hr speedpainting slot similar to this, if you're interesssstedddddd.
2-3 hours, Photoshop.
PS — I'm open for an impromptu 2-hr speedpainting slot similar to this, if you're interesssstedddddd.
Category Artwork (Digital) / Fantasy
Species Dolphin
Gender Any
Size 1280 x 834px
File Size 140.3 kB
I do too. How cool would that be?
I love the smoke effects.
I love the smoke effects.
Thank you!
Well, the revenge they'd wreak at Seaworld would be fantastic (and probably only the beginning). :D
Well, the revenge they'd wreak at Seaworld would be fantastic (and probably only the beginning). :D
They're my favorite cetaceans. :( So awesome.
Thank you!
Thank you!
I... I am in love with the little stumpy legs. *^* And the colors on this are superb!
Thanks! Stump legs are love, stump legs are life. 8)
Just watching that documentary made me feel claustrophobic. Those poor whales...ugh :( lovely doodle though! super cute.
Yeaaaah. Some of those enclosures are a bit small. It reminds me of playing Zoo Tycoon and adding 100 whales to the same tank to see what you could get away with, lol:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co.....11b6aa94e8.jpg
Thanks! :)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co.....11b6aa94e8.jpg
Thanks! :)
i feel like if you managed to push him over he'd just lay there wrigglin his little chubby legs
Ugggh that'd be so cute. SO CUTE. ;_;
Time to draw an orca monster-tipping image now.
Time to draw an orca monster-tipping image now.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhlut Black Fish is BS, but Akhluts are cool, and this is an excellent design of one.
I didn't know about Akhlut... thanks for bringing that up!
Blackfish/sea shepherds/PETA can all be extremeeeee, but in general I feel uncomfortable about smart animals being held in captivity. (Maybe wrongly so, but I'm only a squishy human after all, with squishy human feelings)
Blackfish/sea shepherds/PETA can all be extremeeeee, but in general I feel uncomfortable about smart animals being held in captivity. (Maybe wrongly so, but I'm only a squishy human after all, with squishy human feelings)
I'd hardly say Blackfish it BS. It functions as a documentary should, but it's information and the main part is barely off target!
I politely disagree, and I do understand and respect your insight on it. From my research and understanding it is a sensationalized attack and nothing more. I wish we didn't need animal conservancy and that the oceans and lands were full and plentiful of all animals and didn't need organizations and systems like Sea World, but we do. I'm not a fan of animal shows by any stretch, but the amazing conservancy efforts of Sea World can't be denied. The primary use of the parks income is used for upkeep and conservancy. Unlike Black Fish whose profits went directly into the pockets of the people who produced it. I don't believe in trusting one source, and so far....Black Fish seems to be the only current resource that is anti-sea world. I'm sure Peta is, but once again, they exist only to make a profit off controversy and be all around (this is my opinion) insane.
I apologize for getting a little preachy! I will leave it at that.
I apologize for getting a little preachy! I will leave it at that.
And I'll politely contest as your statement is incorrect, and I do hope you take the time to read and take in some new information :3 . To say Blackfish is the only resource that speaks of the plight of cetaceans is like saying that the ASPCA is the only resource that speaks against animal cruelty. Peta also has involvement on both of these things as well, but they are in no means the reason folks are against cetaceans in captivity, and facilities like Seaworld alike.
The fight for cetaceans has been ongoing for many many years - only ten years after one of the first whales, Namu, was captured and displayed did folks already start to protest it. Namu was caught in 1965. Blackfish had little to do with the start of this debate. What DID start this debate, was the people who truly loved these animals, and the greatest researchers of their wild populations that immediately saw that Seaworld contributed LITTLE to their wild counterparts, or any of their conservation whatsoever. In fact, Seaworld is directly responsible for the struggle of the Southern Resident Orca Population (Off washington coast) to this day, as they whiped out a whole generation of whales in the 1970's through their ruthless captures out in those seas. And when they were banned from those waters, they moved to Iceland to continue the captures out there. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.....iko/world.html)
At this point, many folks would start arguing that they 'no longer capture whales and dolphins' so it shouldn't matter anymore. Well, that's wrong too. Seaworld may not capture whales directly, but they indirectly work with companies that do capture whales. The Georgia Aquarium has been trying insistently to import wild caught Beluga Whales from Russia, (a country who has seen how the west has capitalized on this, and is now working against the wild to do the same), because their populations are dwindling from their inability to keep them alive and their breeding program is absolutely failing. Seaworld is among a list of companies that are working with Georgia as they are to also acquire Belugas should these pleas be accepted. Now, if Seaworld were for conservation, and not for profit, why would they support the capture of Beluga Whales, from healthy wild populations, to replenish their parks? Because they care little about the wild! They care for what is replenished in their parks. Because the animals themselves a worth a fortune, and the entertainment factor of Seaworld is where they get their revenue. (http://www.seaworldpledge.org/blog/.....beluga-whales/) And to top it off, as Russia has now seen what type of money they can make off of this industry, they have started capturing Orcas as well (http://www.russianorca.com/index.php?lang=en) and guess who is on the tail ends of this situation, more than likely waiting for anyway they can benefit from it? Seaworld! Their captive orca gene pool is closing, so they need more orcas. (http://blog.seattlepi.com/candacewh.....k-value-tanks/) So how is this at all for conservation of these animals as they actively work against their wild counterparts to try to keep their parks revenue alive? Oh, and they have also indirectly purchased animals from the Taiji Fisheries. Why would a park that sports itself as reputable trade/do business with parks that support the capturing and slaughtering of the animals they claim to love and conserve?
And what happens in their parks does little to help these animals. You can even score through the 'research' they have listed in their research page. All of the research papers and all of the research done (except for one which ended up being a direct copy of someone else's peer reviewed paper) only correlates with their captive population. The variables that captives have with their wild counterparts are so EXTREMELY different that Seaworld can't provide squat for scientists, and Seaworld, in their 50 years of being open, have provided little to nothing in terms of conservation for cetaceans. In the 50 so years that the industry has gone on, 160 whales have died - 44 that belonged to Seaworld died alone. That's almost an Orca a year. Only 24 are still alive, many of which are sickly and induced with daily medications, like Valium. And despite the bull hockey they provide about 'breeding orcas to set them free in the wild later on', many of the whales they have now are captive bred - poorly. Seaworld does not pay attention to what populations they were captured from. They have had whales from washington waters, iceland/norway, argentina and even TRANSIENTS (mammal eating orca) bred TOGETHER to make whales with mixed and muddled, useless genes. Because if the day comes that they need to be released, where would they go? Whales of different ecotypes NEVER breed together in the wild. It's as if they are purposely dooming them to a life they can't live! Oh, that's not surprising. Considering their educators constantly contradict this very statement by saying their whales won't even survive, in the very same sentence. So how does that help the wild populations? How do mixed and muddled orcas help the wild populations? Each ecotype has a different life expectancy, different feeding and eating patterns, different ways of life. How will a whale that is mixed with all of them help ANYONE but the captive industry? Because what it boils down to is that they do not care about the wild populations. Their focus is getting as many orcas as they can within their stocks because they are one of the most expensive animals next to racehorses. It's why they'd rather absolve Tilikum of all blame for the ruthless attack committed by his frustration, and blame the trainer for an error - because it all comes down to worth for them, and Tilikum is worth so much more than a trainer being paid a little over minimum wage.
I would love to know what research you've done, though, truly. There are many, many resources that stipulate that these animals don't belong in these environments. I could go on forever - majority of them are ACTUAL orca researchers (not businessmen who tote around no degree or knowledge on the animals whatsoever)!
- http://www.orcanetwork.org/Main/
-https://theorcaproject.wordpress.com/
-http://dolphinproject.org/
-http://www.freemorgan.org/
-http://www.opsociety.org/about-ops.htm
-http://orcalab.org/
-http://www.orcaresearch.org/
-thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com
and many, many more resources. I listed a number of other, older, less popular documentaries below to Centradragon as well. Blackfish is not and has NEVER been the only resource for this debate.
As for what they've done for other animals, and the wild, either than capturing orcas, they've also captured penguins right from the wild for the sole purpose of putting them in their enclosures (https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-st.....528230588.html).
Seaworld has been polluting Mission Bay (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblo.....bay-effluent-/)
Seaworld has done SOME rescues in regards to smaller animals, but the amount of money they have placed on rescue and research is utterly pathetic and minimal compared to the amount of money they make, and the amount of money they put into things like buying Sperm from a whale in Argentina that lives in absolute garbage (http://seaworldpledge.org/wp-conten.....Whale-Orca.jpg), rather than assisting and fighting for a better environment for the animal. and they exaggerate both their rescue and research efforts, especially now more than anything as their stocks and revenue are plummeting miserably (http://www.slate.com/blogs/wild_thi.....aggerated.html). When they debated with an orca research scientist, Seaworld stated that in 50 years alone they've only published 50 peer reviewed research papers. The orca research scientist had called their output absolutely pathetic, to their faces, as she'd published over 100 in her studies in that year alone.
As for their rescues, "SeaWorld has given only $9 million dollars over the last decade toward conservation efforts. That means for every 100 dollars in revenue they bring in, they donate approximately 1 cent toward saving the animals in the wild whose captive counterparts they are exploiting. That's .0001 percent of their income going to help animals in the wild. I think that might be the most telling point of all — that, in fact, SeaWorld is really nothing more than a money-making enterprise."
With that being said, of the .0001% of their income that goes into conservation, and to what little that goes into research, it does not absolve them of the continual abuse and exploitation of animals that have been, time and time again, proven to not at ALL thrive in these concrete, unstable environments.
These are actually fantastic papers that outlines everything, and I do implore that you read them if you'd like to learn a bit more of this issue yourself - beyond what Blackfish doesn't expound on:
http://www.hsi.org/assets/pdfs/orca.....hite_paper.pdf
https://awionline.org/sites/default.....t-02192014.pdf
https://theorcaproject.files.wordpr.....-captivity.pdf
http://endcap.eu/wp-content/uploads.....ertain-you.pdf
and again I post http://thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com as it's an amalgamation of research and resources collected by both sides and an incredible resource.
and to reiterate, no, this is not Peta, this is not Blackfish. This debate has been going on for years, primarily by head scientists that study these orcas and their different populations in the wild.
Apologies for the long statement! I never intend to, but it's a lot of info!
The fight for cetaceans has been ongoing for many many years - only ten years after one of the first whales, Namu, was captured and displayed did folks already start to protest it. Namu was caught in 1965. Blackfish had little to do with the start of this debate. What DID start this debate, was the people who truly loved these animals, and the greatest researchers of their wild populations that immediately saw that Seaworld contributed LITTLE to their wild counterparts, or any of their conservation whatsoever. In fact, Seaworld is directly responsible for the struggle of the Southern Resident Orca Population (Off washington coast) to this day, as they whiped out a whole generation of whales in the 1970's through their ruthless captures out in those seas. And when they were banned from those waters, they moved to Iceland to continue the captures out there. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.....iko/world.html)
At this point, many folks would start arguing that they 'no longer capture whales and dolphins' so it shouldn't matter anymore. Well, that's wrong too. Seaworld may not capture whales directly, but they indirectly work with companies that do capture whales. The Georgia Aquarium has been trying insistently to import wild caught Beluga Whales from Russia, (a country who has seen how the west has capitalized on this, and is now working against the wild to do the same), because their populations are dwindling from their inability to keep them alive and their breeding program is absolutely failing. Seaworld is among a list of companies that are working with Georgia as they are to also acquire Belugas should these pleas be accepted. Now, if Seaworld were for conservation, and not for profit, why would they support the capture of Beluga Whales, from healthy wild populations, to replenish their parks? Because they care little about the wild! They care for what is replenished in their parks. Because the animals themselves a worth a fortune, and the entertainment factor of Seaworld is where they get their revenue. (http://www.seaworldpledge.org/blog/.....beluga-whales/) And to top it off, as Russia has now seen what type of money they can make off of this industry, they have started capturing Orcas as well (http://www.russianorca.com/index.php?lang=en) and guess who is on the tail ends of this situation, more than likely waiting for anyway they can benefit from it? Seaworld! Their captive orca gene pool is closing, so they need more orcas. (http://blog.seattlepi.com/candacewh.....k-value-tanks/) So how is this at all for conservation of these animals as they actively work against their wild counterparts to try to keep their parks revenue alive? Oh, and they have also indirectly purchased animals from the Taiji Fisheries. Why would a park that sports itself as reputable trade/do business with parks that support the capturing and slaughtering of the animals they claim to love and conserve?
And what happens in their parks does little to help these animals. You can even score through the 'research' they have listed in their research page. All of the research papers and all of the research done (except for one which ended up being a direct copy of someone else's peer reviewed paper) only correlates with their captive population. The variables that captives have with their wild counterparts are so EXTREMELY different that Seaworld can't provide squat for scientists, and Seaworld, in their 50 years of being open, have provided little to nothing in terms of conservation for cetaceans. In the 50 so years that the industry has gone on, 160 whales have died - 44 that belonged to Seaworld died alone. That's almost an Orca a year. Only 24 are still alive, many of which are sickly and induced with daily medications, like Valium. And despite the bull hockey they provide about 'breeding orcas to set them free in the wild later on', many of the whales they have now are captive bred - poorly. Seaworld does not pay attention to what populations they were captured from. They have had whales from washington waters, iceland/norway, argentina and even TRANSIENTS (mammal eating orca) bred TOGETHER to make whales with mixed and muddled, useless genes. Because if the day comes that they need to be released, where would they go? Whales of different ecotypes NEVER breed together in the wild. It's as if they are purposely dooming them to a life they can't live! Oh, that's not surprising. Considering their educators constantly contradict this very statement by saying their whales won't even survive, in the very same sentence. So how does that help the wild populations? How do mixed and muddled orcas help the wild populations? Each ecotype has a different life expectancy, different feeding and eating patterns, different ways of life. How will a whale that is mixed with all of them help ANYONE but the captive industry? Because what it boils down to is that they do not care about the wild populations. Their focus is getting as many orcas as they can within their stocks because they are one of the most expensive animals next to racehorses. It's why they'd rather absolve Tilikum of all blame for the ruthless attack committed by his frustration, and blame the trainer for an error - because it all comes down to worth for them, and Tilikum is worth so much more than a trainer being paid a little over minimum wage.
I would love to know what research you've done, though, truly. There are many, many resources that stipulate that these animals don't belong in these environments. I could go on forever - majority of them are ACTUAL orca researchers (not businessmen who tote around no degree or knowledge on the animals whatsoever)!
- http://www.orcanetwork.org/Main/
-https://theorcaproject.wordpress.com/
-http://dolphinproject.org/
-http://www.freemorgan.org/
-http://www.opsociety.org/about-ops.htm
-http://orcalab.org/
-http://www.orcaresearch.org/
-thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com
and many, many more resources. I listed a number of other, older, less popular documentaries below to Centradragon as well. Blackfish is not and has NEVER been the only resource for this debate.
As for what they've done for other animals, and the wild, either than capturing orcas, they've also captured penguins right from the wild for the sole purpose of putting them in their enclosures (https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-st.....528230588.html).
Seaworld has been polluting Mission Bay (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblo.....bay-effluent-/)
Seaworld has done SOME rescues in regards to smaller animals, but the amount of money they have placed on rescue and research is utterly pathetic and minimal compared to the amount of money they make, and the amount of money they put into things like buying Sperm from a whale in Argentina that lives in absolute garbage (http://seaworldpledge.org/wp-conten.....Whale-Orca.jpg), rather than assisting and fighting for a better environment for the animal. and they exaggerate both their rescue and research efforts, especially now more than anything as their stocks and revenue are plummeting miserably (http://www.slate.com/blogs/wild_thi.....aggerated.html). When they debated with an orca research scientist, Seaworld stated that in 50 years alone they've only published 50 peer reviewed research papers. The orca research scientist had called their output absolutely pathetic, to their faces, as she'd published over 100 in her studies in that year alone.
As for their rescues, "SeaWorld has given only $9 million dollars over the last decade toward conservation efforts. That means for every 100 dollars in revenue they bring in, they donate approximately 1 cent toward saving the animals in the wild whose captive counterparts they are exploiting. That's .0001 percent of their income going to help animals in the wild. I think that might be the most telling point of all — that, in fact, SeaWorld is really nothing more than a money-making enterprise."
With that being said, of the .0001% of their income that goes into conservation, and to what little that goes into research, it does not absolve them of the continual abuse and exploitation of animals that have been, time and time again, proven to not at ALL thrive in these concrete, unstable environments.
These are actually fantastic papers that outlines everything, and I do implore that you read them if you'd like to learn a bit more of this issue yourself - beyond what Blackfish doesn't expound on:
http://www.hsi.org/assets/pdfs/orca.....hite_paper.pdf
https://awionline.org/sites/default.....t-02192014.pdf
https://theorcaproject.files.wordpr.....-captivity.pdf
http://endcap.eu/wp-content/uploads.....ertain-you.pdf
and again I post http://thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com as it's an amalgamation of research and resources collected by both sides and an incredible resource.
and to reiterate, no, this is not Peta, this is not Blackfish. This debate has been going on for years, primarily by head scientists that study these orcas and their different populations in the wild.
Apologies for the long statement! I never intend to, but it's a lot of info!
I'm debating the way Black Fish operated, not Sea World or captivity. Change can't happen properly with sensationalism. It creates fervor that dies out and is forgotten. Animal testing, for example, is dying out due to a mix of technology and economic pressure, not from the ALF's bombings.
I believe in a better future we will not need or have captive animals for entertainment. But, we're talking hundreds of years of social, technological, economical, and cultural evolution. I, personally, don't believe closing one park will instigate change on a worldwide scale. I might be wrong, be happy if it was that simple!
All charities profit, all of them. Because the world doesn't work without people getting compensated.
I appreciate all the research and citing!
I believe in a better future we will not need or have captive animals for entertainment. But, we're talking hundreds of years of social, technological, economical, and cultural evolution. I, personally, don't believe closing one park will instigate change on a worldwide scale. I might be wrong, be happy if it was that simple!
All charities profit, all of them. Because the world doesn't work without people getting compensated.
I appreciate all the research and citing!
That is not what you said, read your original comment. You even said that you believed Seaworld assited monumentally with conservation, and that closing Seaworld would be an injustice to it (when it's not really true, when Seaworld has done so little for conservation and rescue. In fact, there have been many instances where Seaworld has even refused Rescues for artificial reasons.) And it is not sensationalism in the slightest. The truth is in the facts, and that is why Seaworld's stocks are absolutely plumetting right now. As much as Seaworld wants to blame Blackfish, it has little to do with it and even less to do with sensationalism.
Animal testing is a vastly different situation, though. Entertainment and exploitation of intelligent marine mammals for no purpose is not. It's not about closing Seaworld, not even Blackfish, despite your saying it is 'sensationalist', said it was about closing Seaworld. it is about passing laws that would prohibit and protect animals like this, and prevent them from being used for arbritrary purposes, as well as help provide the ones that are in captivity with better and more stimulating living environments, while also phasing out this practice as a whole - phasing out is a key word, that even Blackfish, as a film, states.
And hundreds of years? Seaworld has only been in operation for 50 years, so very wrong. The captive industry itself has been going on for not much longer than 50 itself and, as I said in my response above, not even 10 years after the first whales and dolphins were captured did folks already start protesting. It's been a never ending battle.
And if Ringling, who has been in operation with elephants for even longer than Seaworld if I can recall, can phase out it's elephants (http://www.npr.org/2015/03/05/39104.....phants-by-2018) due to people's /opposition/ as they've educated themselves on the matter (and Ringling has made similar poor arguments that Seaworld is currently making), then there is absolutely hope for cetaceans and their betterment. And Ringling did this because they REALIZED that they were losing revenue. They realized that people were /learning/. And they realized that if they didn't change their ways, it'd be a lost cause for them. I'm certain Seaworld will learn themselves that similar is going to occur if they don't change as well. And it is NOT just Seaworld taking these hits. Blackfish /focuses/ on Seaworld. But Miami Seaquarium, Vancouver Aquarium, Georgia, etc. all other facilities that house performing cetaceans are taking hits as well, as it's not about Seaworld, it's about the PRACTICE. And if laws are passed across the country, then other facilities will follow suit. And without places like Seaworld doing things as barbaric as they are, then countries like Russia and China and Japan will not find revenue in practices like this, and will hopefully follow suit as folks continue to learn and educate themselves of the plight of these animals. Drive fisheries will lose a huge part of their revenue as well. Nobody ever said it was a simple process, but to say it's impossible is absolutely wrong, and Ringling is a stark example of how positively things can go. And because of opposition and said education, Seaworld is losing money, and rather than putting money into their rescues and conservation, or new research to rectify their damages, they are putting money into terrible PR, and damage control. Not to mention, Seaworld as a corporation is LYING about multiple things - lying deliberately. Why would anyone favor a company like this? And in truth, they are assisting in their own downfall as their lies are being called out. Seaworld is a joke, because for all the changes it could make to help their animals, they are proving tenfold that they are not at all about the animals, only about the revenue. And they've proven little against their case, and yes, it is capable of inciting change. Groups of opposition are already up and active in Japan, and even Russia as well.
It's about education, and the animals, and not wanting to succumb to a company that is deliberately lying to it's consumers. And I don't know what you mean about charities? Seaworld is not a charity. It's a company.
Animal testing is a vastly different situation, though. Entertainment and exploitation of intelligent marine mammals for no purpose is not. It's not about closing Seaworld, not even Blackfish, despite your saying it is 'sensationalist', said it was about closing Seaworld. it is about passing laws that would prohibit and protect animals like this, and prevent them from being used for arbritrary purposes, as well as help provide the ones that are in captivity with better and more stimulating living environments, while also phasing out this practice as a whole - phasing out is a key word, that even Blackfish, as a film, states.
And hundreds of years? Seaworld has only been in operation for 50 years, so very wrong. The captive industry itself has been going on for not much longer than 50 itself and, as I said in my response above, not even 10 years after the first whales and dolphins were captured did folks already start protesting. It's been a never ending battle.
And if Ringling, who has been in operation with elephants for even longer than Seaworld if I can recall, can phase out it's elephants (http://www.npr.org/2015/03/05/39104.....phants-by-2018) due to people's /opposition/ as they've educated themselves on the matter (and Ringling has made similar poor arguments that Seaworld is currently making), then there is absolutely hope for cetaceans and their betterment. And Ringling did this because they REALIZED that they were losing revenue. They realized that people were /learning/. And they realized that if they didn't change their ways, it'd be a lost cause for them. I'm certain Seaworld will learn themselves that similar is going to occur if they don't change as well. And it is NOT just Seaworld taking these hits. Blackfish /focuses/ on Seaworld. But Miami Seaquarium, Vancouver Aquarium, Georgia, etc. all other facilities that house performing cetaceans are taking hits as well, as it's not about Seaworld, it's about the PRACTICE. And if laws are passed across the country, then other facilities will follow suit. And without places like Seaworld doing things as barbaric as they are, then countries like Russia and China and Japan will not find revenue in practices like this, and will hopefully follow suit as folks continue to learn and educate themselves of the plight of these animals. Drive fisheries will lose a huge part of their revenue as well. Nobody ever said it was a simple process, but to say it's impossible is absolutely wrong, and Ringling is a stark example of how positively things can go. And because of opposition and said education, Seaworld is losing money, and rather than putting money into their rescues and conservation, or new research to rectify their damages, they are putting money into terrible PR, and damage control. Not to mention, Seaworld as a corporation is LYING about multiple things - lying deliberately. Why would anyone favor a company like this? And in truth, they are assisting in their own downfall as their lies are being called out. Seaworld is a joke, because for all the changes it could make to help their animals, they are proving tenfold that they are not at all about the animals, only about the revenue. And they've proven little against their case, and yes, it is capable of inciting change. Groups of opposition are already up and active in Japan, and even Russia as well.
It's about education, and the animals, and not wanting to succumb to a company that is deliberately lying to it's consumers. And I don't know what you mean about charities? Seaworld is not a charity. It's a company.
I disagree with a lot of your arguments, as well as some of your sources (Outdated / biased), and few of your facts are uncited, particularly about how Blackfish did not affect Seaworld's stakeholders and the genetics side of things (Normally, genetic diversity is encouraged, provided that aren't different species IE: Lion Tiger = Liger). Although I do particularly love TheSaddlePatch tumblr page! I'm personally fairly neutral with cap vs free. But I do believe in the conservation of our oceans. Honestly, I wish people were just as passionate about preserving our oceans, reducing pollution, and proper management of the sustainability of our wildlife and natural renewable resources.
I honestly see more people complaining about captivity than I do see people protesting the bycatch or illegal shootings of marine mammals. There is even a severe lack of law enforcement in those areas where these occurrences happen. (Prince William Sound, Alaska, for example). While most fisherman in these areas love their wildlife, a few of them would kill a seal if it got close to their net. Fortunately, for the larger operations, Alaska Observers are sometimes assigned to vessels to ensure ethical operations and the conservation of protected wildlife(Along with conducting their research). (I worked as an intermediary for commercial fisherman for 6 years with extensive on-water experience and observation of fishing techniques. Also hear a lot of rumors of fisherman dealing with "undesireable" wildlife)
In terms of cap vs freeing the animals, it would make sense for a for-profit organization to NOT release them. Not in terms of ethics, but in terms of business. Rehabilitation requires a lot of time and investment to conduct properly. One of the important things in rehabilitation is to reduce human contact to a minimum(Which means no public shows or displays). For-profits will not willing, not only giving up a capital asset, but also invest resources in getting rid of it. From the legislature side, is it right to force a company to invest resources in giving something up when it was previously not illegal? That's like saying if Dogs were no long allowed to be kept as pets, everyone was fined for "rehabilitation fees."
On the research and opportunity side, we have the ability to observe Orca and conduct research on them in a level that is impossible to do in the wild. On the downside of this, the scientific method requires a good sample size to support their hypothesis (In a credible paper anyways). With such few captive animals to conduct on / observe, sometimes proper research takes a while. We also cannot ignore the amount of research that has come from the captive Orcas in the past, ranging from proper husbandry, to psychology and social interactions,, to language, to IQ and self-awareness research.
While I know it isn't appropriate to apply anthropomorphism to animals, I hope that the marine mammals in captivity are living pleasant lives, free from the possibilities of starvation and lethal human-interactions in the wilds. I pity those that are left by themselves with minimal social opportunities(Such as Lolita), for one thing that is clear that we have learned from the research about these creatures, is that they are highly social. Unfortunately, I would rather focus most of my efforts towards the grander of things like the global conservation efforts. In fact, if it weren't for captive cetaceans, we may have just drove them to extinction in the first place, Seaworld has created public awareness for Orcas, among other animals. Just take a look at the Pangolin, an endangered species with little conservation efforts or legislatators seeking to stop their harvesting and trafficking. If Pangolins had the social media attention that Orcas do, I guarantee you that crap would stop :)
It was a pleasure reading your well thought out responses, you spent a lot of time piecing it together and I apologize if I made any offense. If there is one thing on common, we are both passionate about the grand conservation efforts of Orca, regardless of the few myriad stances that we have taken regarding the matter. Lastly, thank you for reading my response :)
I honestly see more people complaining about captivity than I do see people protesting the bycatch or illegal shootings of marine mammals. There is even a severe lack of law enforcement in those areas where these occurrences happen. (Prince William Sound, Alaska, for example). While most fisherman in these areas love their wildlife, a few of them would kill a seal if it got close to their net. Fortunately, for the larger operations, Alaska Observers are sometimes assigned to vessels to ensure ethical operations and the conservation of protected wildlife(Along with conducting their research). (I worked as an intermediary for commercial fisherman for 6 years with extensive on-water experience and observation of fishing techniques. Also hear a lot of rumors of fisherman dealing with "undesireable" wildlife)
In terms of cap vs freeing the animals, it would make sense for a for-profit organization to NOT release them. Not in terms of ethics, but in terms of business. Rehabilitation requires a lot of time and investment to conduct properly. One of the important things in rehabilitation is to reduce human contact to a minimum(Which means no public shows or displays). For-profits will not willing, not only giving up a capital asset, but also invest resources in getting rid of it. From the legislature side, is it right to force a company to invest resources in giving something up when it was previously not illegal? That's like saying if Dogs were no long allowed to be kept as pets, everyone was fined for "rehabilitation fees."
On the research and opportunity side, we have the ability to observe Orca and conduct research on them in a level that is impossible to do in the wild. On the downside of this, the scientific method requires a good sample size to support their hypothesis (In a credible paper anyways). With such few captive animals to conduct on / observe, sometimes proper research takes a while. We also cannot ignore the amount of research that has come from the captive Orcas in the past, ranging from proper husbandry, to psychology and social interactions,, to language, to IQ and self-awareness research.
While I know it isn't appropriate to apply anthropomorphism to animals, I hope that the marine mammals in captivity are living pleasant lives, free from the possibilities of starvation and lethal human-interactions in the wilds. I pity those that are left by themselves with minimal social opportunities(Such as Lolita), for one thing that is clear that we have learned from the research about these creatures, is that they are highly social. Unfortunately, I would rather focus most of my efforts towards the grander of things like the global conservation efforts. In fact, if it weren't for captive cetaceans, we may have just drove them to extinction in the first place, Seaworld has created public awareness for Orcas, among other animals. Just take a look at the Pangolin, an endangered species with little conservation efforts or legislatators seeking to stop their harvesting and trafficking. If Pangolins had the social media attention that Orcas do, I guarantee you that crap would stop :)
It was a pleasure reading your well thought out responses, you spent a lot of time piecing it together and I apologize if I made any offense. If there is one thing on common, we are both passionate about the grand conservation efforts of Orca, regardless of the few myriad stances that we have taken regarding the matter. Lastly, thank you for reading my response :)
Which sources are outdated and biased? And why do those sources not apply into this day? If you are going to combat my argument, at least provide details on why these sources are not sufficient.
Let me correct you and say I think you misread me; I stated that Blackfish IS affecting Seaworld's shares and revenues. http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/12/inv.....rld-stock-dip/ Seaworld themselves even stated that their stocks dropping had very much to do with the public outcry that Blackfish created.
As for 'genetic diversity', I think you misread me yet again. Seaworld has had a number of different Orca of the same ecotypes, as well as a number of different orca of different ecotypes. THEY, particularly when you ask educators, INSIST that the Orcas are placed in captivity in HOPES that they can be bred and released into the wild. This is physically IMPOSSIBLE if an amalgamation of orcas of different ecotypes are being bred /carelessly/. Where as Seaworld has had the opportunity to breed whales of the same ecotypes, and separate them to the same ecotypes, to at least try to allign with science and how these orcas function naturally, they simply do not. They breed orcas of different types with eachother, creating hybrid orcas that do not align at ALL with ANY of their wild counterparts. Orcas in the wild are divided by their subtypes and they never interbreed with one another. Even populations that are close together like the southern and northern residents never interbreed. Transients that live in the same waters as Residents never interbreed with one another. So how is an orca that is the product of seaworld's poor and careless breeding program going to be released into the wild? How is it going to be released into the wild when there is no place that that orca could technically 'go'? Where would a resident/transient orca even be released? Or a resident/icelandic mixed orca? The point is that their intentions in their breeding program are not to serve wild populations in the slightest, but rather to carelessly reproduce these animals so that they continue to have an amalgamation of Orca in their parks, and by THAT merit alone, it is a huge reason why their research is absolutely moot. You cannot say with certainty that a transient/icelandic orca will share the same variables of those of the wild Southern Resident population. Icelandic orca and Southern Residents have vastly different diets as it is, and different ways of life - even more so when you compare both of these orca with Transient types. http://elizabethbatt.com/2015/01/se.....-hybrid-orcas/ And actually, you're wrong. Whatever research Seaworld has provided has absolutely minimal to do with the wild. You can even take the DAY to score through Seaworld's research papers yourself, and you will find that the grand majority of them if not all of them have nothing to do with wild orca populations, rather more to do with the care and breeding of their captive population - a whole separate entity as it is. MOST if not all of what we know about wild orca today has been learned through research on the field. If, since 1961, Seaworld can provide so little in terms of helping orcas, then why on earth would they do this now?
Your second paragraph is just semantics, honestly. Because on a personal level, the same folks I know who have fought hard to end captivity ALSO fight to conserve and fight to help the oceans. I am not sure why people like yourself think that, because one topic is louder, those same people are not fighting for other causes? So I'm not even certain why you're saying this. I see people constantly advocating and protesting bycatch and shootings, and drive fisheries, amongst other terrible practices. I see people against all of these things and so - much - more. Usually people that are passionate about this subject are passionate about ALL ocean issues. Like right now, for instance, awareness is being raised WIDESPREAD about the near extinct Vaquita that is a victim to immense bycatch out in the gulf of california. So for what it's worth, you are getting upset that folks are not raising awareness about a Seal getting killed, when there are probably a number of them out there, yet these same people are fighting tooth and nail to help the Vaquita which is near extinction? These same people are helping raise awareness about the plight of the southern residents due to dams and pollution? These same people are raising awareness about the Finless porpoise, and the west coast community of Orcas out in scotland which is just a pod of a measly 9 orca. I'm not sure why your experiences, also, are even applicable or relevant here. But I'm not sure why what you see matters. If these issues are important to /you/ then /you/ should start raising awareness of them, rather than getting up in arms about others not doing so. You have to start somewhere.
Your third paragraph makes little sense. Seaworld can and has the resources to rehab many of their animals, but they refuse to if it's a matter of making them profit, and nobody ever dictated that they should be using animals to make them profit, and frankly, I feel the tides will turn fairly soon, and, Like Ringling, they will realize that they will HAVE to phase out their orca program in order to make more profit again. Money talks with them.
Your fifth paragraph, that's nice what you'd rather focus your efforts too, but I'm not sure why that truly matters or why that absolves folks of their choice to focus on what they want to focus on? and, again, just because one issue is louder doesn't mean these individuals are not fighting for others. I knew an individual who was extremely loud about her points with captivity, but was also very very adamant and passionate about the conservation of certain types of endangered snails. I'm not sure why you are making points like this when it is completely irrelevant and detracts from the current issue we're talking about. What Pangolin's have to deal with is important, but that should not detract at all from this current issue, and that's a separate fight to battel. You should focus rather in raising awareness about it rather than converting folks in this holier than thou "you should be focusing on this more" argument, because as human beings fully capable of multi-tasking, we are capable of advocating for more than one thing, and I'd certainly love to learn about it. But that's not going to stop what I and others know about this industry.
And considering that these whales have to be on drugs like valium, (http://www.buzzfeed.com/justincaris.....how#.hfv3vL8Xa) are subjected to incredibly unnatural deaths that would have never occured anywhere OTHER than captivity (such as the death of Taku and Kanduke for instance, that died from a mosquito bite due to his consistent and stereotypic logging http://www.oers.ca/journal/volume5/.....t_vol5iss2.pdf http://news.discovery.com/earth/mos.....les-120426.htm ), are subjected to artificial injuries, either by their environments or their awful and unnatural Pod structures (Kotar for instance who had his skull CRUSHED to death from a gate closing on him, and Kandu V for instance who was killed after attempting to ram Corky in an altercation), and a myriad of other variables, like how most of the reproductive females aren't even reproducing, stereotypic behaviors as a whole and many, many other things, I can conclude and contest that there is a much, much more likely chance that they are not living well and pleasant lives in captivity, and this is exactly why people are fighting desperately for them.
Let me correct you and say I think you misread me; I stated that Blackfish IS affecting Seaworld's shares and revenues. http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/12/inv.....rld-stock-dip/ Seaworld themselves even stated that their stocks dropping had very much to do with the public outcry that Blackfish created.
As for 'genetic diversity', I think you misread me yet again. Seaworld has had a number of different Orca of the same ecotypes, as well as a number of different orca of different ecotypes. THEY, particularly when you ask educators, INSIST that the Orcas are placed in captivity in HOPES that they can be bred and released into the wild. This is physically IMPOSSIBLE if an amalgamation of orcas of different ecotypes are being bred /carelessly/. Where as Seaworld has had the opportunity to breed whales of the same ecotypes, and separate them to the same ecotypes, to at least try to allign with science and how these orcas function naturally, they simply do not. They breed orcas of different types with eachother, creating hybrid orcas that do not align at ALL with ANY of their wild counterparts. Orcas in the wild are divided by their subtypes and they never interbreed with one another. Even populations that are close together like the southern and northern residents never interbreed. Transients that live in the same waters as Residents never interbreed with one another. So how is an orca that is the product of seaworld's poor and careless breeding program going to be released into the wild? How is it going to be released into the wild when there is no place that that orca could technically 'go'? Where would a resident/transient orca even be released? Or a resident/icelandic mixed orca? The point is that their intentions in their breeding program are not to serve wild populations in the slightest, but rather to carelessly reproduce these animals so that they continue to have an amalgamation of Orca in their parks, and by THAT merit alone, it is a huge reason why their research is absolutely moot. You cannot say with certainty that a transient/icelandic orca will share the same variables of those of the wild Southern Resident population. Icelandic orca and Southern Residents have vastly different diets as it is, and different ways of life - even more so when you compare both of these orca with Transient types. http://elizabethbatt.com/2015/01/se.....-hybrid-orcas/ And actually, you're wrong. Whatever research Seaworld has provided has absolutely minimal to do with the wild. You can even take the DAY to score through Seaworld's research papers yourself, and you will find that the grand majority of them if not all of them have nothing to do with wild orca populations, rather more to do with the care and breeding of their captive population - a whole separate entity as it is. MOST if not all of what we know about wild orca today has been learned through research on the field. If, since 1961, Seaworld can provide so little in terms of helping orcas, then why on earth would they do this now?
Your second paragraph is just semantics, honestly. Because on a personal level, the same folks I know who have fought hard to end captivity ALSO fight to conserve and fight to help the oceans. I am not sure why people like yourself think that, because one topic is louder, those same people are not fighting for other causes? So I'm not even certain why you're saying this. I see people constantly advocating and protesting bycatch and shootings, and drive fisheries, amongst other terrible practices. I see people against all of these things and so - much - more. Usually people that are passionate about this subject are passionate about ALL ocean issues. Like right now, for instance, awareness is being raised WIDESPREAD about the near extinct Vaquita that is a victim to immense bycatch out in the gulf of california. So for what it's worth, you are getting upset that folks are not raising awareness about a Seal getting killed, when there are probably a number of them out there, yet these same people are fighting tooth and nail to help the Vaquita which is near extinction? These same people are helping raise awareness about the plight of the southern residents due to dams and pollution? These same people are raising awareness about the Finless porpoise, and the west coast community of Orcas out in scotland which is just a pod of a measly 9 orca. I'm not sure why your experiences, also, are even applicable or relevant here. But I'm not sure why what you see matters. If these issues are important to /you/ then /you/ should start raising awareness of them, rather than getting up in arms about others not doing so. You have to start somewhere.
Your third paragraph makes little sense. Seaworld can and has the resources to rehab many of their animals, but they refuse to if it's a matter of making them profit, and nobody ever dictated that they should be using animals to make them profit, and frankly, I feel the tides will turn fairly soon, and, Like Ringling, they will realize that they will HAVE to phase out their orca program in order to make more profit again. Money talks with them.
Your fifth paragraph, that's nice what you'd rather focus your efforts too, but I'm not sure why that truly matters or why that absolves folks of their choice to focus on what they want to focus on? and, again, just because one issue is louder doesn't mean these individuals are not fighting for others. I knew an individual who was extremely loud about her points with captivity, but was also very very adamant and passionate about the conservation of certain types of endangered snails. I'm not sure why you are making points like this when it is completely irrelevant and detracts from the current issue we're talking about. What Pangolin's have to deal with is important, but that should not detract at all from this current issue, and that's a separate fight to battel. You should focus rather in raising awareness about it rather than converting folks in this holier than thou "you should be focusing on this more" argument, because as human beings fully capable of multi-tasking, we are capable of advocating for more than one thing, and I'd certainly love to learn about it. But that's not going to stop what I and others know about this industry.
And considering that these whales have to be on drugs like valium, (http://www.buzzfeed.com/justincaris.....how#.hfv3vL8Xa) are subjected to incredibly unnatural deaths that would have never occured anywhere OTHER than captivity (such as the death of Taku and Kanduke for instance, that died from a mosquito bite due to his consistent and stereotypic logging http://www.oers.ca/journal/volume5/.....t_vol5iss2.pdf http://news.discovery.com/earth/mos.....les-120426.htm ), are subjected to artificial injuries, either by their environments or their awful and unnatural Pod structures (Kotar for instance who had his skull CRUSHED to death from a gate closing on him, and Kandu V for instance who was killed after attempting to ram Corky in an altercation), and a myriad of other variables, like how most of the reproductive females aren't even reproducing, stereotypic behaviors as a whole and many, many other things, I can conclude and contest that there is a much, much more likely chance that they are not living well and pleasant lives in captivity, and this is exactly why people are fighting desperately for them.
I respect your points, and I apologize for misinterpreting you. I admit I don't have the rights or experience to justify one cause for the other, simply because it's bigger. However, like all of us, time and resources are limited. Fighting for one cause takes significantly less time than it does for fighting multiple causes, I don't care how well someone can multitask. In order to make use of our time, we identify what we value most, and we strive make those values met. I don't have the time to fight for every cause, so I determine what means the most to me and I fight for that instead. It may be senseless or selfish to do so, but I like to be able to observe the change in the places that I am a part of. Most of my passion and values aren't even tied into biology or any related field for that matter, my passion for marine mammals is something that I have held dear since I was a kid. Thus most of my efforts are elsewhere in unrelated matters (Such as establishing a career).
We all have different personal experiences, that's what makes us an individual. I would hope that people would fight for multiple causes, but I rarely see the general populace fight for oceanic sustainability. Just look at any page in FA that has a captive orca in it, all you hear is "poor orca" or "OMG WATCH BLACKISH IT'S SO CRUEL"
While I understand people can multi-task, and they can fight for multiple causes, not everyone has the time to. While I never meant to say that SeaWorld contributed to the understanding of wild animals, I was pointing out the possibilities for the research that we can do on cetaceans. For example, without captivity we would not have the knowledge about how intelligence they truly are. How does this affect wild Orcas? Directly it does not, however a lot of people(general populace) believe Orcas should be preserved purely on their high intelligence, which through research has supported these beliefs(Not necessarily from SeaWorld, i'm talking about zoological institutions in general). Take a whale that has never been in captivity, for example the Fin Whale, we don't know anything about their extent for intelligence, only what we can infer from their distantly related cousins, no amount of research in the wild, especially in a difficult-to-observe environment, like the ocean. I also didn't say SeaWorld could not rehabilitate animals, I meant to say they won't rehabilitate the animals most valuable to them, such as their Orcas, until they operate at a loss for having them, which may change in the future.
We all have different personal experiences, that's what makes us an individual. I would hope that people would fight for multiple causes, but I rarely see the general populace fight for oceanic sustainability. Just look at any page in FA that has a captive orca in it, all you hear is "poor orca" or "OMG WATCH BLACKISH IT'S SO CRUEL"
While I understand people can multi-task, and they can fight for multiple causes, not everyone has the time to. While I never meant to say that SeaWorld contributed to the understanding of wild animals, I was pointing out the possibilities for the research that we can do on cetaceans. For example, without captivity we would not have the knowledge about how intelligence they truly are. How does this affect wild Orcas? Directly it does not, however a lot of people(general populace) believe Orcas should be preserved purely on their high intelligence, which through research has supported these beliefs(Not necessarily from SeaWorld, i'm talking about zoological institutions in general). Take a whale that has never been in captivity, for example the Fin Whale, we don't know anything about their extent for intelligence, only what we can infer from their distantly related cousins, no amount of research in the wild, especially in a difficult-to-observe environment, like the ocean. I also didn't say SeaWorld could not rehabilitate animals, I meant to say they won't rehabilitate the animals most valuable to them, such as their Orcas, until they operate at a loss for having them, which may change in the future.
For having harped on me primarily on my outdated and poor sources, you are providing none for your own takes so it's really hard to take your argument seriously when they are basically just opinions. Saying 'captivity did this' but not providing any evidence of this is just.. poor, especially when I've provded information and expressed how captivity has done little for science, and has even gone against it. They've done little in regards to the intelligence department too. I've said my piece and I've backed it up with enough resources for folks to skim through if they are interested in learning more. But I've little reason to engage in discussion with you when you are simply pressing your opinions and arguing semantics with no factual bases to them whatsoever.
You're acting as if I attacked you, not once throughout this conversation have I attacked YOU. I was merely disagreeing with the sources you find to be valid for providing statistics, which is wrong of my considering this isn't the proper place to do so. If you disagree, let me remind you that you are writing in a persuasive format, which, surprise surprise, involves personal opinion that is inferred from statistics and facts IE: "captivity contributes little to research" -- "Little is not an absolute statement, how much is "little" and how much research is needed to make their contributions "significant". If you would like to debate, i'm sure you could find a more suitable site for debate, (such as idebate.org) Unfortunately, I don't have the desire or time to provide a well researched persuasive response. You have heard what I have had to say, my opinion, which is perfectly suitable on a social media website, this isn't exactly the perfect place to formulate material on an academic level for use in a persuasive manner.
Yes people do terrible things, I am sure SeaWorld has done their fair share. But regardless of what you believe. I *BELIEVE* that the general populace would not even care for Orcas on the level they do today if it were not for captivity. The general populace is the people you need to persuade to create an effort that can effectively take action, that is what BlackFish did, and they were very successful at it.
Captivity publicizes animals, people see them and they grow an interest to learn more, then become passionate about such things. The general populace doesn't know every animal in the world as well as their situation in regards to conservation. SeaWorld has spend countless dollars on advertising their company, especially with the iconic "Shamu" (BTW I hate that term too). It's how the people who don't have the luxury to go Whale Watching get to understand what an Orca is. I merely used the Pangolin as an example of how much publicity, among other things, reaches to and motivates the public.
The fact that social media cares more for captivity than it does for the conservation of a nearly extinct species which is still being harvested today, only shows the power of publicity and advertising. You can believe what you want, but captivity educates the public, it may not be very good education, but every zoological institution I have been to tells you some basic information about the animals, which is usually enough for the general public.
Again, I never claimed anything I have ever said to be a fact. I merely disagree with your opinions, and as far as I know, having a disagreement with another person is completely fine.
Yes people do terrible things, I am sure SeaWorld has done their fair share. But regardless of what you believe. I *BELIEVE* that the general populace would not even care for Orcas on the level they do today if it were not for captivity. The general populace is the people you need to persuade to create an effort that can effectively take action, that is what BlackFish did, and they were very successful at it.
Captivity publicizes animals, people see them and they grow an interest to learn more, then become passionate about such things. The general populace doesn't know every animal in the world as well as their situation in regards to conservation. SeaWorld has spend countless dollars on advertising their company, especially with the iconic "Shamu" (BTW I hate that term too). It's how the people who don't have the luxury to go Whale Watching get to understand what an Orca is. I merely used the Pangolin as an example of how much publicity, among other things, reaches to and motivates the public.
The fact that social media cares more for captivity than it does for the conservation of a nearly extinct species which is still being harvested today, only shows the power of publicity and advertising. You can believe what you want, but captivity educates the public, it may not be very good education, but every zoological institution I have been to tells you some basic information about the animals, which is usually enough for the general public.
Again, I never claimed anything I have ever said to be a fact. I merely disagree with your opinions, and as far as I know, having a disagreement with another person is completely fine.
There's disagreeing with opinions, and combating facts, and I'm not here to waste my time arguing 'opinions' when nothing I've said has been an opinion in the slightest, where as you have thrown a myriad of uncited and unsourced notions and opinions at me. I'm seeking facts that prove to me that these animals do well in captivity/contribute in any way by being in captivity. So it was nice speaking to you!
fantastic, the prehistoric relative of whales were land mammals at one point, so why not
Orcasaurus is coming to toot magical smoke at you from his blow hole!
Followed by mean fiery death maybe.
Followed by mean fiery death maybe.
I imagine it sounding like Hein from Howl's Moving Castle. Sooooo cuutteee
THIS ORDGKJLDFKG ORCA PUPPY MONSTERRRR <333333
sooo glad ya watched the doc. honestly I am absolutely obsessed with the subject and if you're ever interested in other documentaries that elaborate on the issue more, I have like... so many it's probably unhealthy. XD
sooo glad ya watched the doc. honestly I am absolutely obsessed with the subject and if you're ever interested in other documentaries that elaborate on the issue more, I have like... so many it's probably unhealthy. XD
Yessssss! :D I'd love some more documentary suggestions, actually!
I've watched The Cove, and that was... horrifying, to say the least. It might be a cultural thing (I don't fish or hunt, I'm a bleeding heart, etc), but there's something about harvesting a genuinely smart wild animal for food that rubs me the wrong way. On a related note, after living in Japan for almost two years, I bet you I've accidentally eaten dolphin a few times. Blegh. :(
I've watched The Cove, and that was... horrifying, to say the least. It might be a cultural thing (I don't fish or hunt, I'm a bleeding heart, etc), but there's something about harvesting a genuinely smart wild animal for food that rubs me the wrong way. On a related note, after living in Japan for almost two years, I bet you I've accidentally eaten dolphin a few times. Blegh. :(
oh god. honestly what's sad is that at this point it's hardly culture, i'd say. :/ the captive industry has to be it's largest drive as folks have moved away more and more from dolphin/ceta meat because of the high mercury contents. but because aquariums will still purchase from them, they have all the more reason to continue augh. and facilities in north america purchase/trade with aquariums who purchase from them, etc. etc. it's just a massive chain link, and without the captivity industry, i'm almost certain the practice would at least significantly have started to phase by now. blehhh.
and oh god, i wouldn't be surprised. it's super possible. for how many bloody dolphins they do slaughter, i honestly wonder where all the meat even gets to. :I (also it's super SUPER neat regardless that you lived in japan..)
BUT YES. i have docs! here are someeeee
A Fall from Freedom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URmIdiMc0E
Frontline: A whale of a business: http://tune.pk/video/4421007/frontl.....-of-a-business
Dolphin Stories: Captivity (a rather older doc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTT.....ature=youtu.be
Dolphin Stories: Cetacean Intelligence (another older one, but primarily about their intelligence): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMk.....ature=youtu.be
Lolita: Slave to Entertainment (this one focuses primarily on a whale that is in Miami Seaquarium): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPmkL4kN48
This isn't a doc, but an orca researcher visits Lolita to see her for herself, and it really extrapolates on how she is kept. :/ (despite her tank being illegal, seaworld does business with this park.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EzCHKpWvo
I could honestly go on forever. If you'd ever like to talk one on one about it, doooo hit me up. XD though if you'd love to just personally score for some resources, a couple of friends of mine have taken years out of their life to build a site with as MANY resources on the issue as possible. It's honestly fantastic, and helpful for anyone who's just bored and wants to look into the issue more! it's thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com <3
sorry for bomshelling ya. XD i hope the docs do ya justice. i sat there for hours one night watching all of them and searching as much as i could for more. and i know for a fact i'm missing some but those are the ones that come off the top of my head :' D
and oh god, i wouldn't be surprised. it's super possible. for how many bloody dolphins they do slaughter, i honestly wonder where all the meat even gets to. :I (also it's super SUPER neat regardless that you lived in japan..)
BUT YES. i have docs! here are someeeee
A Fall from Freedom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URmIdiMc0E
Frontline: A whale of a business: http://tune.pk/video/4421007/frontl.....-of-a-business
Dolphin Stories: Captivity (a rather older doc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTT.....ature=youtu.be
Dolphin Stories: Cetacean Intelligence (another older one, but primarily about their intelligence): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMk.....ature=youtu.be
Lolita: Slave to Entertainment (this one focuses primarily on a whale that is in Miami Seaquarium): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPmkL4kN48
This isn't a doc, but an orca researcher visits Lolita to see her for herself, and it really extrapolates on how she is kept. :/ (despite her tank being illegal, seaworld does business with this park.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EzCHKpWvo
I could honestly go on forever. If you'd ever like to talk one on one about it, doooo hit me up. XD though if you'd love to just personally score for some resources, a couple of friends of mine have taken years out of their life to build a site with as MANY resources on the issue as possible. It's honestly fantastic, and helpful for anyone who's just bored and wants to look into the issue more! it's thesaddlepatch.tumblr.com <3
sorry for bomshelling ya. XD i hope the docs do ya justice. i sat there for hours one night watching all of them and searching as much as i could for more. and i know for a fact i'm missing some but those are the ones that come off the top of my head :' D
food inc.
Many of the clips are filmed long ago so i really do hope things have been changed sins filmed, though i fear its still the same in some places :(
for me food inc was worse than The Cove, and The cove is highly depressing.
Many says Blackfish is a blown up version of the truth and that might be true but it doesnt change the fact that highly inteligent and long lived animals(in nature. they die in their teens in captivity)
are beeing held in tanks way way to small for them. There is nothing in the tanks to stimulate their minds.
Eventually they will do something to brake the boredom. Be it eating a bird who landed on the water or starting a cat and mouse game with a trainer.
Whales(and many other animals) are not suited for a life in such small containments. They live much longer and healthier lives in the free. the only reason for humans to keep them is for entertainment.
Many of the clips are filmed long ago so i really do hope things have been changed sins filmed, though i fear its still the same in some places :(
for me food inc was worse than The Cove, and The cove is highly depressing.
Many says Blackfish is a blown up version of the truth and that might be true but it doesnt change the fact that highly inteligent and long lived animals(in nature. they die in their teens in captivity)
are beeing held in tanks way way to small for them. There is nothing in the tanks to stimulate their minds.
Eventually they will do something to brake the boredom. Be it eating a bird who landed on the water or starting a cat and mouse game with a trainer.
Whales(and many other animals) are not suited for a life in such small containments. They live much longer and healthier lives in the free. the only reason for humans to keep them is for entertainment.
For a second I thought this was fanart of the Darwin card from Netrunner. A
Orcas are the best marine mammal, in my opinion. >.> I saw that Blackfish documentary a while back, it made me so sad. ;-; I will never give money to Sea World.
But on another note, I really love this picture. Excellent job. ^^
But on another note, I really love this picture. Excellent job. ^^
So it seems that Landsharks just got endangered... (and pretty much anything else on land)
noooo! http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13716626/ not the landsharks! *watches it slowly fall over*
wow this is like so awesome o.o such a simple Idea yet so amazingly done! just awesome great work
Blackfish was so heartbreaking ;-;
Have you seen The Whale? watched this around the same time,.. so many feels.
Beautiful image, and those stubby little legs are most marvellous! XD
Have you seen The Whale? watched this around the same time,.. so many feels.
Beautiful image, and those stubby little legs are most marvellous! XD
Although I disagree with the content of the description, I love this piece. It's absolutely adorable, yet I suppose he could be menacing x3
I have always loved the idea of quadruped Orcas, thank you for this piece :D
So adorbs ~<3 it makes me think if a bear and a orca had a babe, I just want to hug it.
Awww. Orca-puppy-monster! . Had a huge dog mix of dubious ascendancy, (called Rooster, don't ask, was too young.) and this one gives me the remembering fuzzies!
I loooooove the colors and the lovely sense of texture in the paint
This is awesome. Looks great and love the style and coloring. Beautiful work :)
looks like a cousin of 'Fishsticks' the land-shark in this comic- praguerace.com
This can't be a doodle this is way cooler than doodle status good god I love it!
I have a question, this critter is so beautiful, and I am looking at it again and again and its just soo pretty, may I create a critter that is inspired by this artwork?
I just love the design idea of a landorca ;w;
or any sea creature that is able to walk on land for that matter
I just love the design idea of a landorca ;w;
or any sea creature that is able to walk on land for that matter
This is beautiful, and powerful <3 one of my favourite orca pieces on FA
I recently watched Blackfish, and it really was horrendous. I'm always appalled that the male is still at seaworld, after he's killed so many people. Unfortuneatly his sperm is to precious to them, and I doubt that he'd do better in the wild now he is accustumed to the horrendous pools. ( Maybe he's not there anymore, as it was filmed a few years ago. )
Although I also wish they grew limbs, and breathed fire.
Although I also wish they grew limbs, and breathed fire.
You know, had you given this thing tusk you'd have unknowingly made a picture of an actual existing Transformers toy.
I recall seeing this picture posted elsewhere a while back (tumblr I think?) and I still admire the use of soft oranges and yellows in it to this day. You really have a way with soft smokes and shining surfaces!
Well, this is pretty neat. Although, I wish that there were THICC Orca daddies with nice, smooth bellies and booties, but I highly doubt that’ll happen anytime soon. Still, pretty cool!
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