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Exploding testicles‎

Hello and welcome! Thank you for the useful copy-edits here.

• On period inside quotation marks, the rule here is to do it like Wikipedia, in order to produce a superficially accurate imitation of them. So if the quotation isn't a complete sentence, but it ends your sentence, the period would go outside. The rest of the world puts period and comma inside because it looks better. You're right that there should be no period at all if a photo caption or line in an infobox isn't a complete sentence.
• Please don't sweat single-space versus double-space between sentences. Double-space is what you get when an editor learned to type with typewriter and paper, as I did.

Happy editing! Spıke 🎙️18:00 27-May-21

PS — Again to better resemble Wikipedia, the t in the page name shouldn't be capitalized, which I'll fix now. Spıke 🎙️18:02 27-May-21

HTML trivia: not only do single-space and double-space render the same (including on this wiki), any number of spaces between sentences render the same.^{(technical explanation)}. The next two sentences have twenty spaces between them:

Sentence one. Sentence two.

Oh, and nice copy-editing! Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Flamethrower

Discussion moved here from Talk:Flamethrower

Thanks for your compliments/complements ... anyway, "to better resemble Wikipedia" we should un-space em dashes on sight or ... what? And when some (not all) periods are followed by a single space we should ... add some? Please advise. --Brogo13 (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

As I told you on your talk page two days ago, "Please don't sweat single-space versus double-space between sentences. Double-space is what you get when an editor learned to type with typewriter and paper, as I did." That means neither add nor remove. Better yet, use your time to write funny stuff.

Admin Romartus opted for spaces around em-dashes at Forum:Em dashes. The non-breaking space is overkill that will keep less precise editors from contributing. Spıke 🎙️22:45 29-May-21

I disagree with "Better yet, use your time to write funny stuff": we all have a role we prefer to play, and there's nothing wrong with copy-editing. It's all about using time wisely; I do agree with Spike on the practical points above. Brogo13, you may be interested to check out Uncyclopedia:Proofreading Service, as we do have at least two articles to be proofread.

“The good copyeditor is a rare creature: an intelligent reader and a tactful and sensitive critic; someone who cares enough about perfection of detail to spend time checking small points of consistency in someone else's work but has the good judgement not to waste time or antagonize the author by making unnecessary changes.”

~ Wikipedia citing Butcher's Copy-editing

Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

DWWH phrases it better than I: copy-editing, proofreading, photo 'shooping, and coding are all skills we esteem. Spıke 🎙️01:05 30-May-21

Sentence spacing

This article of yours shows promise; it seems panoramic and witty. However, if it's some sort of protest regarding our disagreement above, no one else is going to care; and writing articles that the casual reader will care about (and laugh over) is the point here. Another thing, more of your humor needs to be self-evident, as most readers won't take the time to follow links and decode riddles. (I followed your link in the previous section, to an apparent banned sockpuppet of yours at Wikipedia, and I remain baffled.) On the style issue, I added text to Uncyclopedia:Style Guide to mention that the MediaWiki software that Uncyclopedia uses ignores sentence spacing.

But to the point, this article is showing up in the Maintenance reports as unfinished-and-abandoned. So please do one or the other: De-stub-ify it or list it at QVFD. Cheers! Spıke 🎙️12:52 6-Jun-21

What the casual reader doesn't care about (or "get") is his problem; likewise bafflement prior to a question. That Wikipedians (and former Wikipedians who quit or got banned or whatever) apparently don't care either is just sad. That anybody actually insists on extra spaces after each sentence (knowing full well they're being ignored by the software) is ... Never mind. --Brogo13 (talk) 07:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

As I've seen you on the Fork and have been collaborating there too, I'm making a few points:

1. The article you've started over at the Fork, you've copied here. Don't do that again: it doesn't preserve edit history, and makes attribution difficult. (In this particular instance the only other contributors, Zana Dark and myself, made boilerplate edits that needn't be credited). Over time, the two copies will drift apart; and if this matters to you, pick one project to host your Sentence spacing.
2. Most individuals don't care about sentence spacing. That apathy is valid, and it's equally valid if you care about sentence spacing. You're free to express yourself, but as is your liberty to self-determine, so is theirs. I'm an Autistic editor, so I do understand caring passionately about things others don't.
3. If you care about your work being seen by anything more than a handful of people, consideration of the reader is a must. Channeling dissatisfaction is part of what artists do, and exaggerating your frustration in a careful way can make it worthwhile for them. The word parakeet is not funny; writing it 242 times is. You might even exaggerate how "dangerous" it is to space sentences too far apart, the hidden costs of chopped-down trees, the social downfall it brings, or the schoolchildren who get away with writing shorter essays. Hyperbole departing from facts is encouraged, and you're welcome to use any or none of these ideas to expand your article. Think of the constructive criticism as an invitation (if you will) that you're free to accept or refuse.

Your last comment started to sound heated. Drop the attitude—I don't want a block to be in your future. No one's making a move to delete your article; Spike isn't on the Fork and probably didn't gather that you've been editing primarily over there. So…please be nice. Stick around to finish your art; the stub tag on your article tells me you're not finished expressing yourself yet. (And, just so you know, I'm signing off now, so any comment you make now won't be seen until the morrow). Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm gone (over to the co URL). Thanks, y'all. --Brogo13 (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Moved from my talk page

A week is short. Time flies like a banana.

Indeed.(Indeed.)

1. I thought you announced your resignation.
2. You are still writing riddles and not comedy.
3. I will tell you how I read this riddle: (a) Nyah nyah nyah, my article you called unfunny was published somewhere else, and (b) Nyah nyah nyah, I am still replacing double spaces with single spaces, so there.
4. I don't have time for this, so I am enforcing your resignation. You may reconsider in a week. Spıke 🎙️17:07 11-Jun-21

It looks like you've also had trouble on Wikipedia. If you can stay away from this kind of behavior, we'd be happy to see you back here again. Sentence spacing is certainly worth an article; it's been deleted, but you're free to continue working on it again if you change your mind. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 02:58 12 June 2021

Featured Articles

Featured Articles (those that have been voted to run on our main page, marked by a rubber stamp through the potato) are presumed not to need new help being funny. You are welcome to bring any up-to-date, such as if the subject dies or wins higher office, and surely apply Uncyclopedia policy (like em-dashes) but not plant piped-link Easter eggs in them. If you wish to transform pages, pick those that have not been featured.

Also, please do not waste time fiddling with the size and placement of photographs, so as to be perfect on your viewer, as people have viewers of many different dimensions. Initial images should be flush with the top of the page. They are more important than initial quotations. I reverted your edits at Coronavirus just now for those reasons, and for correcting a typo ("traveler") which is not a typo in American English, which this article uses. Coronavirus hit all locales, so there is no inherently best dialect for such an article, but the rule in that case is to follow the style of the initial editors. Changing boldfaced lines to section headings is also too ambitious for a Featured Article, and the result was a boldfaced section head, which we don't have. Spıke 🎙️21:59 21-Jan-22

Please address centre, favour, mobilised, organisation (twice), humour, socialised, sceptical, and criticising — not to mention travellers and travelling.

Dis sayin'. And thanks. --Brogo13 (talk) 03:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I concede your point that different sections of the article use different dialects. That's a problem. However, stressing one incidental point so as to discard my main point, seems haughty. Again. Spıke 🎙️03:41 22-Jan-22

Coronavirus

I edited Coronavirus to use Commonwealth English.

Spike claimed that the article used the American spelling. It had indeed taken on something closer to de facto American English, but I chose to conform the page to Commonwealth English because the initial creator was Romartus (a Brit). It's in a hidden category now that might avoid further confusion. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 07:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

{Wikipedia} etc.

Please note Dark Web, White Hat's explanation here, which I endorse. Template links to Wikipedia et al. should not be inserted in all articles but only if you believe the reader may need additional research to understand our humor. She writes, "Socks is not incomplete without a Wikipedia side box, which would do nothing for the reader." Spıke 🎙️02:38 24-Jan-22

A gentle second warning

This is a gentle second warning to desist from material alteration of featured articles, as you did at Coronavirus and Poop Cuisine. Changing "Cowards' Sniffles" to "Hog Warts" is one example of material alteration.

Featured articles are dear to us. Piping links from Coronavirus to Poop Cuisine is a WP:RICKROLL to readers; links ought to remain intuitive and unsurprising. Furthermore, avoid {{W}} and Wikipedia piped links in prose.

Your grammatical copy-editing is otherwise constructive. Correcting it loses it's bliss to it loses its bliss is one less "word crime" subtly blemishing our comedy; and I thank you for that. I encourage you to make more edits of that fashion instead. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

International Alphabet Magnet Day

You reasserted certain changes to this Featured Article after my revert.

• I used commas deliberately, to offset clauses, and you removed them.
• You changed "that" to "which," which I believe is incorrect in this case.
• Comma/period inside quotes is a deviation from Wikipedia which aligns with ordinary English usage, and our style guide states that it is allowed.

You do not have the sole valid style of writing English. You are not entitled to edit Featured Articles so that they are in your style. If DWWH were not dealing with you, I would have banned you for a full week, again. Spıke 🎙️19:49 27-Jan-22

Block reasons

I have reduced the block this time to one week. You have been warned before about going on an edit spree with featured articles which has gone beyond updating, obvious grammar errors etc. Next time will be three months and then we scale up to infinity and beyond. I trust that is clear. RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 20:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Brogo13. No more riddles, please. When posting to FA talk pages, use {{request edit}} and say what you think should be changed. I deleted the talk page of Flint, Michigan as complaining. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. I'm not complaining. Nor was I asking anybody to do anything except join Spike and me for a good belly laugh. (Dis sayin' ...) --Brogo13 (talk) 01:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(1) You have replied to a direct request from DWWH that you stop writing in riddles by writing in riddles. (2) You have replied to her deletion of that talk page ("as complaining") by replicating its content here. (3) I had let other Admins intercede with you, but you don't want "a good belly laugh" with me, you want to flog drama. We don't need it. (4) You are banned for a week. Spıke 🎙️01:38 1-Feb-22

More block reasons

At Nuance, your many edits yesterday included a couple of baroque links by way of directing the reader to specific texts. The function of Uncyclopedia articles is to amuse the reader, not to send him on missions, so I undid these changes. You promptly reinserted new riddles at the same location, and I'm pretty sure the answer to these riddles is more complaining to me. Editorial disagreements are common, and we address them by discussion on each other's talk page, not in-line in the text of an article, as if to appeal to the reader about our disagreements. This is more of that attitude thing we talked about, so you are out for one more week. Spıke 🎙️03:23 11-Feb-22

Vanity links

I'm letting you know to avoid this from now on. In this edit to Telethon you inserted your name into an article, including an offsite link to your Wikipedia page. That's not allowed. In mainspace, the only individuals permissible to name are those "Codeine's mum" might have heard of (illustrating someone not immediately close to you, such as your aunt or neighbor). And to eliminate possibility of doubt, this applies even if the link is piped so your name isn't visible. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 06:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Fork/Spoon

Users can put a link on their user page if they also have an account at the fork (en.uncyclopedia.co). Adding these links into an article is a no-no here. As I am not sure you are aware of this rule, I changed your block for time served (2 days). RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 21:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I have also discovered that Brogo sporked one of my articles to the Fork almost word-for-word (while making the changes he did before Spike reverted him). Sure, not knowing that you can't pipe links to other sites is not block worthy, but surely stealing someones work without permission is?

For those (except Spike) who would like the proof, [1] and my article Cup of Joe. OnePunch 02:46, 27-Mar-22

Ask the Fork to delete that too. Writers can only spork their own articles. I will re-impose the ban if Brogo fails to respond to this thread. RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 13:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Having found no "vote for deletion" or similar link over at the Fork I blanked the article in question at 03:24 and went to bed. Meanwhile ... (I have no idea.) --Brogo13 (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

p.s.

(1) OnePunch's additional information indicates that the theme of Brogo13's session was assisting the Fork at our expense. Romartus's technicality that perhaps no one had informed Brogo13 not to do exactly that is thin. (2) Blanking an article is not the same as asking for its deletion, as Brogo13 surely knows. (3) The Fork's QVFD should be exactly where our QVFD is, as Brogo13 should also be aware. (4) Brogo13's last word — as always, hidden in a Recommended Reading link — discloses that he doesn't take this request seriously. The governing rule is not Wikipedia's rule on technical ownership of content but our rule that the two Uncyclopedias do not spork work without the consent of the author. (5) We don't need Brogo13's continual contempt and I am reinstating the ban. Spıke 🎙️18:51 27-Mar-22

Ok. Brogo can always email me if he wants to but otherwise this issue is closed.RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 22:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

By the way, Brogo13 also buried a self-declared "ad hominem" toward Spike in a tooltip with ^(archived) {{Q|Food for thought: chew carefully.|an ''[[ad hominem]]'' [[File:Waver.gif|20px| Spike? A verb ate him.]]}}. I removed it and notified WohMi on the Fork of the subtlety. Doesn't really change anything about Brogo13's ban except corroborate Spike's allegation of contempt. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Reason for new block

Since your block expired, you have been back editing articles with the usual combination of pointless syntactical edits and actually useful edits. OnePunch, for example, does benefit from a proofreader. However, your first edit to Chandigarh provided all of the former and none of the latter and I reverted it. Today you have edited it again, doing nothing but replacing my double-spacing between sentences with single-spacing. We have covered before how this change makes no difference in page rendering, and documented in the policy pages how we need not follow Wikipedia in all things, and even documented ways that proofreaders can avoid stepping on toes. So this edit makes no sense except to reignite past drama.

Dark Web, White Hat had agreed to patrol your changes but is on a brief vacation. She may unban you when she returns. Spıke 🎙️11:27 24-Jul-22

I've changed your block to a week from when I returned. It has come to my attention that you created at least 4 sockpuppet accounts in the time I was gone (Davedoodoo, Asdf1234, Asdf1235, Oblio), all of which are against policy as ban evasion, even though the original block was circumstantial. Unfortunately, I find it would be favoritism not to penalize you at all. I shall attempt to keep pace in patrolling your edits when you return. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)