Talk:Greatshot

Robot Masters/Decepticonness

Er... where is Greatshot in Robot Masters? Also, was it outright said anywhere that he was a former Decepticon? I know he hung out with the mercenary Crossformers and Gaihawk, but I don't necessarily know if that means he was definitely a Decepticon himself... McFeely? Do you remember anything concrete on this? --Monzo 03:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Um, I don't recall he is a former Decepticon, either. IIRC, Victory anime only mentioned he work with Gaihawk and Crossformers in the past. --TX55^TALK 06:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Old Stuff

I fully admit to not being very up on a lot of Japanese continuity, but I assume given that bio that there's speculation at least that this is a new form aof Sixshot (given the events of Headmasters) Can anyone give any pros and cons of the idea?--ZacWilliam 09:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought the Decepticons he doublecrossed were Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus. --M Sipher 09:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Great Shot is speculated to either be an upgraded SixShot, or SixShot's son. 85.195.123.24 22:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Which is utterly meaningless without proof. Fans make a lot of stupid "this guy is really this old guy we already know!" speculations. Remember when --according to fans-- Rhinox was Ironhide, Cheetor was Hot Rod, etc? --M Sipher 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I remember having this conversation with Hydra back in the day. I think his conclusion was that, while the two scenarios are pretty similar- there was nothing everr published, anywhere, to make them the same guy-- and the lack of any connection in the E-hobby reissues sort of 'passively' supports them being different people (because making/exploiting that connection is right up e-bobby's alley- and they didn't.) Sadly, I don't know Hydra's thoughts on this today, since he's likely to have a more refined argument than I do. -Derik 00:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

For what its worth, the PDType comics have Sixshot and Greatshot running around at the same time. But those comics also have Megatron and Galvatron running around together, so its not really the best material to draw conclusions from. --DrSpengler 01:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I strongly expect that they were originally intended to be the same guy, but that someone decided they didn't want that much continuity between series. See: Galaxy Force. Chip 03:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

That does seem to be the likeliest conclusion to draw, given what we know. -Derik 03:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

New photo?

I found a picture of Greatshot with better quality and it has the missing left wing, should I upload it or not?--Metroplex 22:36, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Merge?

With the new Legends comic, do we merge the JG1 stuff with Sixshot? I know we have Victory Leo (and Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity, I guess), but I don't particularly like that setup. I prefer to read a character's entire history on one page, not have to shift to another for the conclusion. Maybe a brief write-up here? Saix (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

He's also kinda like Tigerhawk, being a fusion of both Jack and Sixshot prior to their eventual separation. Plus, both IDW and the Pop-Up Universe book have Sixshot and Greatshot coexisting separately in the same worlds, so it's only in JG1 that the two are connected. Granted, JG1 is the most important continuity/version of Greatshot there is, but it's not the only one anymore. Just like how Victory Leo isn't always an upgraded God Ginrai, since he was his own unique person in the Victory manga. --Sabrblade (talk) 00:16, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

But not really? Jack is just his head for a couple of years. The dominant personality is still Greatshot/Sixhsot, like how we treat the Western Headmasters. I acknowledge that Greatshot and Sixshot are separate characters in most continuities, which is why I'm not suggesting merging the entire pages, just the JG1 stuff (and applying that to Victory Leo too). Saix (talk) 03:53, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

You're suggesting we apply the same strategy as we do for Roller (IDW)? I guess I could get behind that. --Riptide (talk) 07:35, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Yep, that's what I meant. Saix (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Given that JG1 continuity only has them as the same individual by dint of a retcon that occurred decades after the show ended (hell, we even had a note on the page stating that contrary to rumor Greatshot was not a reborn Sixshot), I think merging them would be a bit hasty. Personally, I think leaving the pages as they are now, with perhaps a link saying something like "for events after he faked his death, see Greatshot", is a perfectly acceptable solution. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:34, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

My take: Are there continuities where they are shown at the same time or where Greatshot is specifically said to not be Sixshot? If so, do not merge. Just place a "in this particular continuity, Sixshot became Greatshot. See the Greatshot article for details of what he did." note on the Sixshot page. If there are no explicit contradictions but only a lack of evidence that they aren't the same, then merge. --Khajidha (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2018 (EDT)

"...both IDW and the Pop-Up Universe book have Sixshot and Greatshot coexisting separately in the same worlds..." --Sabrblade (talk) 09:41, 3 April 2018 (EDT)

Right, well, back when I was in the TFWiki Discord, there had been a general consensus to at least copy over the relevant sections from Sixshot's page onto here, so unless someone says other wise by next Wednesday, I'm merging them. I've gone over plenty of times elsewhere why I feel that at the very least, the two pages should have identical sections, and would prefer it to a complete merge; I think it's far more beneficial to do that than to have this weird sort of half compromise we have now. Escargon (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2022 (EST)

I think that seems reasonable, yeah. --Riptide (talk) 19:38, 15 January 2022 (EST)

Gave a few more days to see if anyone objected, but since nobody has, I'll copy over the relative sections. I'd appreciate if Saix or someone else whose more intimately familiar with the Japanese series involved would take a look over just to ensure that it's all there/correct. Escargon (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2022 (EST)