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MediaWiki.org should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant and show them based on preferences
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Jul 17 2015, 9:22 AM
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F251999: MediaWiki-Chinese page.png
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F252001: MediaWiki-Cannot translate into Traditional Chinese.png
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I'm MediaWiki user, as MediaWiki support language Traditional Chinese (zh-hant),
I want translate document at MediaWiki.org to Traditional Chinese (zh-hant), but MediaWiki.org not support Traditional Chinese. I think it will make zh-hant users to use MediaWiki easier.
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Before I file this bug i have asked Nemo_bis at MediaWiki.org:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Nemo_bis#Can_i_request_to_add_language_Traditional_Chinese_.28zh-hant.29.3F

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StatusSubtypeAssignedTask
 In ProgressWinston_SungT286291 Clean up, merge and update zh/zh-* translations
 In ProgressWinston_SungT296188 Clean up, merge, update zh/zh-* translations and update zh-related language fallback chains in mediawiki/core
 OpenNoneT106131 MediaWiki.org should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant and show them based on preferences
 ResolvedNikerabbitT50292 Add support for fallbacks on Special:MyLanguage
 ResolvedWinston_SungT278639 Add language redirects or backwards fallbacks for Special:MyLanguage
 ResolvedWinston_SungT182485 zh falls back to zh-hans, why?
 ResolvedBUG REPORTWinston_SungT333187 Special:MyLanguage: Base page language being ignored / skipped from the language fallback chain
 OpenNoneT224701 Enable the "content language variant" functionality on the preference to the multilingual sites such as the Commons and Meta-Wiki
 ResolvedBUG REPORTXiplusT230681 Title in Extension:Translate cannot be converted
 StalledNoneT328838 Multidirectional language conversion for content pages using LanguageConverter should be prevented on multilingual wikis
 StalledNoneT330409 $wgTranslateDisabledTargetLanguages of zh (mixed-variant variant) on MediaWiki.org
 ResolvedNoneT39338 $wgTranslateBlacklist of zh-* on metawiki
 OpenNoneT39559 Language translation list should not be converted by LanguageConverter on a translatable page
 OpenNoneT282527 Untranslated CentralNotice banners get unnecessarily converted by the language converter
 StalledNoneT39557 Untranslated units should not be converted to script variants
 OpenNoneT39617 Do not convert text marked as being in another language with a lang attribute
 OpenNoneT43716 [EPIC] Support language variant conversion in Parsoid
 OpenNoneT21044 Document LanguageConverter
 ResolvedcscottT53587 Parsoid needs to run findVariantLink or some equivalent thing
 Invalid• GWickeT48658 Tpl-style encapsulation for <*include*> and lang-variant conversions
 ResolvedliangentT45547 MediaWiki needs a fictitious variant for English for easier variant development work
 ResolvedthiemowmdeT156280 Wikibase assumes English doesn't have a variant
 OpenNoneT54661 Preprocessor/Parser irregularities with -{...}- variant constructs.
 ResolvedcscottT146304 Preprocessor should handle -{...}- variant constructs in template arguments
 ResolvedcscottT153761 Incorrect parser output if -{{ appears in wikitext
 Resolved• ElitreT165175 Support communications around the preprocessor fixups
 ResolvedcscottT146305 Parser should protect -{...}- variant constructs in links
 ResolvedcscottT54192 Markups in alt param of <gallery> are "eaten" during parsing
 ResolvedcscottT54190 <gallery> with |link=<external link> doesn't work on wikis with LanguageConverter
 ResolvedcscottT153135 doBlockLevels breaks with embedded language converter markup
 ResolvedcscottT153140 -{ ... }- markup breaks tables
 OpenNoneT153265 Language converter source text and language names cannot use <nowiki> escaping.
 DuplicateBUG REPORTNoneT353501 new Parsoid cannot parse the converter wikitext syntax
 ResolvedcscottT153341 Export LanguageConverter enabled status in page info from core
 OpenNoneT204966 Production use of LanguageConverter for read views of Phase 2A languages
 OpenNoneT204968 Production use of LanguageConverter for read views of Phase 2B languages
 OpenNoneT204969 Production use of LanguageConverter for read views of Phase 2C languages
 OpenNoneT222328 [extlink] parsing - link cannot contain language variant or extension tags
 ResolvedBUG REPORTJgiannelosT305383 [BUG] Kazakh Wikipedia Character mapping
 OpenNoneT320733 Support and document how language conversion work with multidirectional wikitext <=> HTML conversion on language-conversion-supported extensions.
 OpenNoneT282528 Make translation to languages with a converter more user-friendly in the Translate extension

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Cwlin0416 created this task.Jul 17 2015, 9:22 AM
Cwlin0416 raised the priority of this task from to Needs Triage.
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Aklapper edited projects, added MediaWiki-Language-converter; removed MediaWiki-General.Jul 17 2015, 10:10 PM
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Bugreporter subscribed.Jul 18 2015, 5:14 PM

This is not a task specified to metawiki.

In fact zh-hant is disabled on purpose

Bugreporter renamed this task from MediaWiki.org not support language Traditional Chinese (zh-hant). to Make Language converter work for multilingual wikis.Jul 18 2015, 5:19 PM
Bugreporter updated the task description. (Show Details)
Liuxinyu970226 subscribed.Jul 24 2015, 10:58 PM
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.Jul 24 2015, 11:34 PM

By interface it works

TNLangConv.png (802×1 px, 72 KB)

Is this requesting that it works like zhwiki, i.e. directly point to zh-cn in Mainland China, and directly point to zh-tw in Taiwan, instead of de facto zh?

Liuxinyu970226 added a subscriber: Chiefwei.Jul 24 2015, 11:37 PM
Cwlin0416 added a comment.EditedJul 25 2015, 1:16 AM

Following are actually the problems I request, not only Language converter:

  1. My language is "Traditional Chinese" on the top of page, but content is not (only few parts).
  2. Content pages only support Chinese not Traditional Chinese, and need to select variants converter manually.
  3. If i want to translate pages into Traditional Chinese, the message "Translate into zh please" shows up.
  4. Language converter maybe is a solution, but it's seems work not very well.

MediaWiki-zh-hant MainPage.png (1×1 px, 324 KB)

MediaWiki-Chinese page.png (2×1 px, 572 KB)

MediaWiki-Cannot translate into Traditional Chinese.png (742×1 px, 111 KB)

Cwlin0416 renamed this task from Make Language converter work for multilingual wikis to MediaWiki.org not support language Traditional Chinese (zh-hant)..Jul 25 2015, 1:19 AM
Cwlin0416 updated the task description. (Show Details)
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedJul 25 2015, 1:46 AM

Your second screenshot hits my problem too.

1.png (128×887 px, 7 KB)

2.png (38×495 px, 4 KB)

Which shouldn't happen

Liuxinyu970226 added a project: MediaWiki-extensions-Translate.Aug 11 2015, 12:23 AM
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedAug 11 2015, 12:26 AM

Not sure how the TUX developers think about this, and I'm afraid this may conflict with T51898.

Liuxinyu970226 added a subscriber: Matanya.Aug 11 2015, 12:27 AM
Liuxinyu970226 removed a subscriber: Matanya.
Nikerabbit edited projects, added Wikimedia-Site-requests; removed MediaWiki-extensions-Translate.Sep 9 2015, 6:47 AM
Nikerabbit subscribed.Sep 9 2015, 6:49 AM

T51898 is definitely a known bug. I removed MediaWiki-extensions-Translate as this is Wikimedia configuration issue. Easiest way to solve this might be to remove the restriction on zh-hans and zh-hant.

Mjbmr subscribed.Sep 9 2015, 10:48 AM
Nemo_bis renamed this task from MediaWiki.org not support language Traditional Chinese (zh-hant). to MediaWiki.org does not allow translating to Traditional Chinese (zh-hant)..Sep 10 2015, 6:52 AM
Liuxinyu970226 mentioned this in T115299: Translate Instructor Basics: How to Use Wikipedia as a Teaching Tool into Traditional Chinese.Oct 18 2015, 1:02 AM
Shizhao added a parent task: T125033: [DO NOT USE] Chinese Wikimedia projects (tracking) [superseded by #Chinese-Sites].Sep 28 2016, 3:32 AM
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Liuxinyu970226 removed a parent task: T125033: [DO NOT USE] Chinese Wikimedia projects (tracking) [superseded by #Chinese-Sites].EditedSep 30 2016, 11:17 AM

Clearly false positive, this is about mediawiki.org, not any zh.wiki* projects (is there any one that Translate extension installed?)

Liuxinyu970226 mentioned this in T150083: Chinese converting system is not working properly in meta and commons .Nov 5 2016, 3:04 PM
Shizhao added a project: Chinese-Sites.Dec 27 2016, 6:31 AM
Shizhao moved this task from Backlog to MediaWiki core on the Chinese-Sites board.Dec 27 2016, 6:55 AM
Liuxinyu970226 removed a project: Chinese-Sites.Dec 27 2016, 10:32 AM
Liuxinyu970226 added a subscriber: Shizhao.

@Shizhao Have you read T106131#2679578?

Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.EditedDec 27 2016, 10:54 AM

@Nikerabbit I'm afraid that, I may need to add Translate extension tag back in order to hold up T106131#2903173 and T106131#2903195, because if I read the past discussions correctly, this is affecting the compatibility of THE MediaWiki-Language-converter FEATURE in Translate extension, can you give me some suggestions here?

Taiwania_Justo subscribed.Dec 28 2016, 3:29 AM
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.Jan 22 2017, 3:04 PM
In T106131#2903408, @Liuxinyu970226 wrote:

@Nikerabbit I'm afraid that, I may need to add Translate extension tag back in order to hold up T106131#2903173 and T106131#2903195, because if I read the past discussions correctly, this is affecting the compatibility of THE MediaWiki-Language-converter FEATURE in Translate extension, can you give me some suggestions here?

@Nikerabbit ^BUMPING with same comment here^

Nikerabbit added a comment.Jan 27 2017, 12:01 PM

My comment in T106131#1619455 is still valid.

deryckchan subscribed.EditedMar 9 2017, 11:12 AM

I agree with @Bugreporter and @Liuxinyu970226 that this is disabled on purpose to reduce the number of redundant zh- translations. The solution here should be that

  1. Users whose interface language is zh-* (rather than zh) should jump straight to the appropriate Chinese variant when they click on a page on which Chinese character and phrase conversion is enabled
  2. Fix any specific issues on Chinese conversion extension (@Cwlin0416 - please tell the devs what exactly isn't working), not by re-enabling direct translations to zh- variants on multilingual Wikimedia projects.

See also T150083 which is the same issue on Meta and Commons.

deryckchan awarded a token.Mar 9 2017, 11:19 AM
deryckchan renamed this task from MediaWiki.org does not allow translating to Traditional Chinese (zh-hant). to MediaWiki.org translate extension should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant based on preferences.Mar 10 2017, 12:45 AM
Liuxinyu970226 added a comment.Jul 28 2017, 2:44 AM

Maybe waiting for T50292?

Taiwania_Justo mentioned this in T224701: Enable the "content language variant" functionality on the preference to the multilingual sites such as the Commons and Meta-Wiki.Jun 15 2019, 1:56 PM
Winston_Sung subscribed.Nov 14 2021, 3:51 AM
Stang subscribed.May 8 2022, 6:12 AM
Winston_Sung moved this task from Backlog to Extensions/Skins on the MediaWiki-Language-converter board.Mar 18 2023, 4:15 AM
Winston_Sung added a subtask: T50292: Add support for fallbacks on Special:MyLanguage.Mar 21 2023, 7:00 AM
Winston_Sung added a parent task: T296188: Clean up, merge, update zh/zh-* translations and update zh-related language fallback chains in mediawiki/core.
Winston_Sung added projects: I18n, MediaWiki-extensions-Translate.Mar 21 2023, 7:02 AM
Winston_Sung added a subtask: T224701: Enable the "content language variant" functionality on the preference to the multilingual sites such as the Commons and Meta-Wiki.
Winston_Sung renamed this task from MediaWiki.org translate extension should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant based on preferences to MediaWiki.org translate extension should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant and show them based on preferences.Mar 21 2023, 7:05 AM
Winston_Sung moved this task from Untriaged to Multilanguage & Language variants on the I18n board.
Winston_Sung moved this task from Extensions/Skins to Core on the MediaWiki-Language-converter board.
Winston_Sung removed a project: MediaWiki-extensions-Translate.
Winston_Sung renamed this task from MediaWiki.org translate extension should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant and show them based on preferences to MediaWiki.org should redirect user to appropriate Chinese variant and show them based on preferences.Mar 21 2023, 7:08 AM
Tacsipacsi subscribed.Mar 21 2023, 10:38 AM

@Nikerabbit has T106131#1481833 been fixed in the meantime? If not, that’s probably a Translate bug.

Winston_Sung added subtasks: T230681: Title in Extension:Translate cannot be converted, T328838: Multidirectional language conversion for content pages using LanguageConverter should be prevented on multilingual wikis.Mar 21 2023, 6:06 PM
Winston_Sung added a subtask: T282528: Make translation to languages with a converter more user-friendly in the Translate extension.
In T106131#8714104, @Tacsipacsi wrote:

Has T106131#1481833 been fixed in the meantime? If not, that’s probably a Translate bug.

See T230681: Title in Extension:Translate cannot be converted .

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