Is it OK to simply change Cargo to start sending JSON with --message-format=json? That could break or disrupt tools, though I'm not sure how likely that is, or what the consequences would be. Cargo could include something like rustc's --json flag to configure JSON behavior, but it would be nice to avoid if possible to keep things simple.

Don't forget about other JSON-related formats for --message-format (e.g., json-diagnostic-rendered-ansi) in case if you choose to include a new flag.

Should Cargo re-use rustc's "compiler-message" structure for warnings and errors, or should it add a new one? It might be difficult to shoe-horn Cargo's format (which uses a stack of causes) to rustc's format. The drawback of using a separate structure is that then there would need to be multiple ways to handle "messages".

Is it ok to mark build tool messages as messages from the compiler? (I'm talking about "compiler-message" reason)

What other activities and messages should be JSON messages? See #8165 (comment) for some examples. Cargo has many different things it prints (status messages, "downloading", etc.), and there are quite a few action points ("build started", "unit started", "unit finished", etc.) that could be useful to have as JSON.

Currently, in IJ-Rust we show only Compiling status and Building progress (#8165 (comment)), but it's a good idea to show other status / progress messages too (e.g., Updating / Fetch, Downloaded / Downloading). Does cargo build uses Checkout progress?

Also, in IJ-Rust we parse raw Running executable_path and Doc-tests package_name messages to get target names. We use target names as test suite names:

It would be nice to have JSON messages for these statuses. It's not necessary for IJ since we already have libtest support, but it may be useful for anyone else who wants to write it from scratch.

Also, I think JSON messages for statuses should have "rendered" field like other diagnostic messages, in order to be able to show the "original" output in a separate window.

Should Cargo intercept non-JSON output from rustc and wrap it in JSON (#8179)?

👍 , but I think it can be discussed in a separate issue after this issue is closed.

In continuation of #8165 (comment)

I'm uncertain about the best way to express "progress". There are different stages (updating indexes, resolving, downloading, compiling, etc.). Using "unit count" may not be the best option due to that, and also that could make it difficult in the future if Cargo is more lazy or dynamic when deciding what to build (although maybe the unit count could be documented as an "estimate"?).

Cargo already prints "unit count" (11 / 13 on the screenshot below). Do you want to remove it from the progress bar?

An option is to have an initial "build-started" JSON message with the estimated unit count?

An alternative is to have Cargo compute some estimated progress amount as a number from 0 to 1. It could then include that in the JSON messages (or maybe as a separate message).

For my purpose, I only need a number from 0 to 1 some text to show (e.g., "Building a, b, c"), but as mentioned in #8165 (comment), an initial JSON message with the unit count start / finish messages for each unit should be enough to calculate progress amount and list of active units.

I'm also wondering about whether to show progress for the downloading phase separately, or should it just be part of a single "progress" progression? Downloading can be quite slow.

I think single progression with different phases (Fetch-Downloading-Building) is more useful for users, but I'm not sure.

I wonder, do any other build tools have a similar concept?

As I understand, Gradle downloads dependencies during the "compile" task (x MB/3.62 MB is updated in-place):

I would love to have Cargo emit useful json messages as well. I was just looking at https://github.com/Nemo157/cargo-build-tree again and was wondering what would be required to actually have it support showing what was currently in-progress, having unit-started and unit-finished messages would be great for this.

The fact that a build-finished message was added seems to indicate that it is ok for Cargo to simply start emitting its own messages with --message-format=json.

It would be nice if all the json messages had a rendered field. The error and warning messages do but if you want to augment cargo in any way you have to parse all the messages and output the same things as cargo dose currently so it doesn't look unusual (except for the messages which already have a rendered field). Noticed the need for this in a couple of tools now so thought I would mention it in case it would be helpful also to others.