Move to ESM, it is 2024

that's not a good argument tho.

We are stuck on older versions.

you can use ESM-only packages in CommonJS projects just fine. It's a nodejs feature, not related with nestjs.

See #8736

https://github.com/wooorm/npm-esm-vs-cjs

more and more are moving to ESM, inconvenient to use more and more import()

What about migrating to esm is so hard?
It does not hurt anybody when you support both and improves developer experience with nestjs and esm modules immensely.

I mean the way has already been paved with:
#8736

Benefits of esm modules are:

• standard way of doing modules
• supported in browsers and server side runtimes like deno and node
• allow asynchronous loading
• exports without globals
• support for more packages

For me and my team it's a dealbreaker if there is no support for esm with nestjs as we don't want to work our way arround this package or monkey patch everything.

Thanks for the effort and in advance

support for more packages

More packages use commonjs than esm atm. You can still use async import() if you really need esm modules in the latest version of Node you can now statically require(esm) package (see below).

supported in browsers and server side runtimes like deno and node

Using Nest in the browser makes zero sense

standard way of doing modules

CJS was the standard way of doing modules for 10 years and it's not going anywhere

allow asynchronous loading

What use case does it cover which is not already covered by Nest?

It does not hurt anybody when you support both

It hurts us as it adds a significant maintenance burden. Maintaining both is a huge waste of time and we can't yet drop support for CJS as it would hurt lots of NestJS users all around the globe.

more and more are moving to ESM, inconvenient to use more and more import()

@magicdawn this graph isn't accurate, see wooorm/npm-esm-vs-cjs#9

Also, in the latest version of Node.js (should be backportable to v20) you can require(esm) package with the --experimental-require-module flag nodejs/node#51977. I hope that (almost) full interoperability between ESM and CJS will be eventually implemented - breaking what the ecosystem has been doing all along with no graceful migration path made very little sense from the get-go.

Completely understand that this is not going to change in the short term and the arguments made by @kamilmysliwiec are very valid.

Given this is a 'batteries-included' framework though there is a slow erosion of the framework's simple config premise occurring with more and more community packages migrating. Whatever the exact statistics of the state of the current ESM / CJS split - anecdotally at least - it seems to me packages that are actively maintained and thus more likely to be consumed are migrating or considering migrating in increasing numbers.

Eg. A little while back I a added markdown parsing service via unified but it requires a compile step to work as the package is all esm.

So adding newer packages; be it to get new APIs, patch vulns, meet node compat requirements whatever will push more packages down this route.

Perhaps the answer is to simply lean on node's require(esm) behaviour but it feels like the kind of paper cut that is going to get more and more annoying for new users.

I'm not saying we will never migrate - I'm just trying to emphasize it doesn't seem reasonable atm.

@kamilmysliwiec

I hope that (almost) full interoperability between ESM and CJS will be eventually implemented - breaking what the ecosystem has been doing all along with no graceful migration path made very little sense from the get-go.

I think that has already been implemented in node 21.1.0 --experimental-detect-module, it has also been backported to 20.10.0.

Okay, never mind, it is just one more step in the right direction I guess.

denoland/deno#20619

you can use ESM-only packages in CommonJS projects just fine. It's a nodejs feature, not related with nestjs.

const axios_curlirize_1 = tslib_1.__importDefault(require("axios-curlirize"));
                                                  ^
Error [ERR_REQUIRE_ESM]: require() of ES Module /node_modules/axios-curlirize/src/main.js from service.js not supported.
Instead change the require of main.js in service.js to a dynamic import() which is available in all CommonJS modules.

nestjs version: 10.3.8

We are about to abandon NestJS for lack of ESM support. More and more packages are ESM only (lucia, superjson) and they simply do not work, even with hacks. It's unfortunate really, nestjs is a great framework but becoming more of a headache than it's worth.