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Test IIAB 7.2 on 64-bit Raspbian (renamed to Raspberry Pi OS / RaspiOS) as this becomes more established? [UH-OH: WiFi firmware 7.45.18.0 not quite compatible; will a new kernel help?] [64-bit RasPiOS Bullseye allows for Calibre 5.12] #2422
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Thanks @floydianslips who observes:
SEE ALSO @georgejhunt report: #2424 "raspbian-64bit-dnsmasq does not start because br0 is not up [RaspiOS]" |
@floydianslips @georgejhunt did you also see this error below on 64-bit RaspiOS on RPi 4?
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Even when I comment out pkg usbmount from https://github.com/iiab/iiab/blob/master/roles/2-common/tasks/packages.yml#L63 it still fails later on in Stage 4, predictably:
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Until the above issue is solved, I've temporarily (also) set the following in /etc/iiab/local_vars.yml :
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FYI Sugarizer also fails to install on 64-bit RaspiOS, due to...
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Good News first...
Related: iiab/iiab-admin-console#327 "0.4.1.5 new public key authentication" |
@holta and @floydianslips can you report if captive portal is running |
@tim-moody this is the output of |
What happens if you change the password? |
@floydianslips there are a lot of log entries that say the user is invalid, though there is a decryption failure as well. |
That works — fyi I can continue to log into http://10.8.0.38/admin after changing iiab-admin's password. |
The new 64-bit OS shows as Debian 10 if you
compared to old:
Debian doesn't have |
Raspbian which has now been renamed RaspiOS (Raspberry Pi OS) is explained here...alongside its 64-bit Beta preview and 32-bit updates etc...as released 2 days ago: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/latest-raspberry-pi-os-update-may-2020/ Related: PR #2427 Rpi detect [for 64-bit RaspiOS] |
Can someone try Raspberry Pi's new attempt at 64-bit RaspiOS Lite? (I don't expect it's fully ready for prime time...given their late May 2020 64-bit RaspiOS "with desktop" still seemed to be quite buggy ??) ASIDE: 32-bit "2020-08-20" Raspberry Pi OS images also released: |
Still true 3 months later, when installing IIAB installed onto the brand new experimental 64-bit RaspiOS (#2422 (comment)) on this Raspberry Pi 4: 183-rpi4-2g-lite-64bit-BIG-2487 = 10.8.0.58 Likewise I again commented out Line 63 of https://github.com/iiab/iiab/blob/master/roles/2-common/tasks/packages.yml#L63 here:
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FWIW they've not changed
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IIAB's current MongoDB 3.0.14 for 32-bit RaspiOS doesn't work on 64-bit RaspiOS. As @jvonau & I reconfirmed today. If there's a need to get Sugarizer working on 64-bit RaspiOS and/or 64-bit Ubuntu-on-RPi, this might possibly be the way forward... "MongoDB 4.0.11 (64-bit) on Raspberry Pi 3" ...particularly if it works on both 64-bit OS's on RPi HW? (i.e. the currently experimental 64-bit RaspiOS images and/or the 64-bit Ubuntu images for RPi which might be a bit more mature?) PS for now I opted out entirely, with these 2 lines in /etc/iiab/local_vars.yml
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I and @georgejhunt did several tests of IIAB 7.2 pre-releases onto 64-bit RaspiOS ("Lite" and "with desktop") this week and it looks solid! The catch is of course that microSD cards will not be portable (insertable) into 32-bit RPi Zero W machines however :/ Refs:
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Any guess how much faster 64-bit Raspberry Pi OS (RaspiOS) is? Is it roughly equivalent to Ubuntu Server 20.10 on RPi 4? Are both measurably faster than 32-bit RaspiOS on RPi 4 e.g. with 2GB or 4GB RAM? Are there any outstanding/major risks with 64-bit RaspiOS that field communities need to watch for? |
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:36 PM A Holt ***@***.***> wrote:
Any guess how much faster 64-bit Raspberry Pi OS is?
Since I had a 64bit desktop already built to test the automatic browser
home page, I searched for a similar SD card (SanDisk extreme). Both were
loaded with IIAB min, and I timed the startup from power on until the Home
page was populated.
64bit == 39sec
32bit == 36sec
So I conclude at the first approximation that the 32bit OS is 10% faster.
… Is it roughly equivalent to Ubuntu Server 20.10 on RPi 4?
Are both measurably faster than 32-bit RaspiOS on RPi 4 with 2GB or 4GB
RAM?
Any outstanding/major risks with 64-bit RaspiOS field communities need to
watch for?
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Other Data Points — Kolibri MEDIUM-sized IIAB on 64-bit RaspiOS Lite on RPi 4 w/ 4GB RAM [*] took...
...measured up to the point where RaspiOS's login prompt appeared on the attached screen. [*} and a large microSD card full of content. |
WiFi firmware 7.45.18.0 (for 32 simultaneous WiFi devices) acts unstably on this OS. It "works" (sort of) but pages generally take 1-2min to load even when the WiFi connection doesn't drop. Android 11 clients seem to figure out that the WiFi connection is wholly inadequate, and intentionally drop the WiFi connection within a few minutes. Windows and Ubuntu WiFi client devices (2 laptops attempted) seem to try to keep the WiFi connection alive, even when...maybe they shouldn't! This means 64-bit RaspiOS likely cannot be used in most classroom and school-like environments. The jury is out on other 64-bit OS's for RPi like Ubuntu 20.04.1 and 20.10 but it might not look good :/ Schools will have to stick with 32-bit OS's in most cases it appears. I've added a quick/cautionary note in the top-left of Table 1 here: #823 (comment) (and some idle gossip about Cypress firmware 7.45.221 just released 2020-09-25 for those running tiny kiosks... i.e. those not needing more than about 4-6 simultaneous WiFi client devices). |
I forgot to mention that wifi firmware 7.45.18.0 tricks you in the 1st-minute-or-few before it goes haywire (on 64-bit RaspiOS). It's best to click on a lot of different content (actual, installed content) on IIAB's main page (http://box or http://box.lan) so that the WiFi slowness failure[*] is quickly induced usually within 1-or-2 minutes. [*] or complete WiFi drop, e.g. if client is Android 11. Video-intensive pages like http://box/kiwix/teded_en_all_2020-06/ would seem to help induce the failure mode even more quickly maybe/possibly ? |
There are testing users who don't care if the WiFi hotspot is functioning, the successful install reports returned may not be complete in testing coverage as one may think. I suggest re-evaluation of the universal use with wifi_hotspot_capacity_rpi_fix: True in local_vars.yml in use since 09cdf28. The "fix" has now demonstrated not to be universal, had I thought you were going to go against my wishes to have the rollback to be voluntarily and opt-in, I would never of written the code to begin with. Let the end-user chose to be part of the experimental testing as this operation is currently one way and hard for the end-user to recover from the change. Lets see what 2624 brings to light but being able to perform back-2-back comparisons being an opt-in, the way I envisioned is a pile easier when evaluating while not intruding into other use cases that don't require 32-clients on the WiFi AP or prefer the newest firmware for other valid reasons. |
#2739 or close this one in favor of 2748 |
This appears largely resolved since 2020. The WiFi hotspot now appears to work well with WiFi firmware 7.45.18.0 on both 64-bit versions of RaspiOS on RPi 4. Please move followup discussion to #2748. |
@jvonau & All: the early beta of Raspberry Pi Foundation's new OS is here:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=275370
Latest 32-bit versions are here:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_armhf/release_notes.txt
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