Talk:Archimedes
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Rfd-sense: (computing) An early RISC personal computer I don't think we include proper names of computers. -- Liliana • 12:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Commodore 64? Super Nintendo? I hate these entries but we certainly do have them and some (Daniel.) have defended them. Note that I consider these distinct from nicknames for computers (new words in their own right) like Speccy, Miggy, Ammy, and Beeb. Equinox ◑ 13:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - all words in all languages. ("Commodore 64" and "Super Nintendo" are not words.) SemperBlotto 14:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- SB, we have other senses of the word, and those senses and any accompanying etymological information will survive this process; it is only the use as a brand name that is contested here. bd2412 T 13:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- That's simply WT:BRAND, isn't it, so it should go to WT:RFV.--Prosfilaes 16:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. Send to RFV to see if it meets the CFI for brand names. bd2412 T 01:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
moved to RFV -- Liliana • 03:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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See above. I'll loathe the day we start including Sempron, Duron, Athlon, Magnum etc. -- Liliana • 11:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep - all words in all languages. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:27, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- And "down with attestation", too. DCDuring TALK 17:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 17:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- This needs to meet WT:BRAND. If we're just voting, delete. Equinox ◑ 20:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Move to RfV for attestation under WT:BRAND or delete. DCDuring TALK 22:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- But it already has citations. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- At least one of them is a definition, like saying "the Ford Pinto is a car". That does not justify a dictionary entry, only an encyclopaedia one, IMO. Equinox ◑ 22:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- OK, tomorrow, I'll stop building the dictionary and find some better quotes. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- But it already has citations. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Move to RfV for attestation under WT:BRAND or delete. DCDuring TALK 22:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- By the way, Talk:Archimedes suggests that this underwent RFV in 2011...? Equinox ◑ 22:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- None of them seem valid to me under WT:BRAND. This is hardly a widespread generic term or one that has become virtually generic, like Zoloft. It may be demonstrably generic in some computing context. WT:BRAND was an effort to operationalize the notion of "generic" usage of a brand name, I think. DCDuring TALK 23:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- IMO the Archimedes is virtually unknown now, except to some hobbyists and people who were involved in UK educational computing in the 1990s (it was mostly used in schools, as an upgrade to Acorn's earlier BBC Micro). It did get a nickname, Archie, but so did many old computers: Speccy, Ammy, Beeb, etc. Equinox ◑ 23:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- There might be three BRAND-meeting cites from fiction set in the time or old Usenet? DCDuring TALK 00:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- IMO the Archimedes is virtually unknown now, except to some hobbyists and people who were involved in UK educational computing in the 1990s (it was mostly used in schools, as an upgrade to Acorn's earlier BBC Micro). It did get a nickname, Archie, but so did many old computers: Speccy, Ammy, Beeb, etc. Equinox ◑ 23:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- None of them seem valid to me under WT:BRAND. This is hardly a widespread generic term or one that has become virtually generic, like Zoloft. It may be demonstrably generic in some computing context. WT:BRAND was an effort to operationalize the notion of "generic" usage of a brand name, I think. DCDuring TALK 23:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- It now has four citations that mention the term without defining it (from 1989 (twice), 1994 and 1998). Surely that should be enough. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's obvious from the context of those quotations what the Archimedes is. Delete unless someone wants to have another go at it, but I doubt you're going to find the quotations needed because brand is doing its job here in deciding whether Archimedes is part of the lexicon. DAVilla 18:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted. — Ungoliant (Falai) 00:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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Rfv-sense: (computing) An early RISC personal computer. Moved from RFD, needs citations meeting brand name criteria. -- Liliana • 03:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- See its citations page. SemperBlotto 07:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- RFV-kept as cited. If you dispute that the citations meet BRAND or other applicable standards, raise the issue on RFD (or reopen this RFV). - -sche (discuss) 01:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)