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Revert warring with a user on their user talk page

[1][2]. Don't ever do that unless you are an admin or supporting an admin in maintaining a necessary block notice. That's the only time I've seen it's allowable to revert a user from blanking comment on their talk page.

I've reverted alteration of my comments, that's a different matter, alteration actively distorts the record. I've also probed or questioned partial archiving, where a user archives the page, but leaves out what he doesn't want visible in the archive, thus hiding the action underneath archiving. You-know-who did that, he's the only user I've seen push these limits. I addressed it by putting critical information in the edit summary, where it would remain visible, at least for a while. Experienced users, dealing with the disruptive, learn not to trust the archives as being complete. --Abd (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I am very sorry Abd, thank you for trying to help me here, I remember from your talk page with Telecom, and didn't keep that in mind. thanks! --~ Golden_burg111 19:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You are always welcome, Goldenburg, because you listen and learn. You need not always agree, but the more you listen, the more you will understand. --Abd (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --~ Golden_burg111 23:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Indian stubs

I have expanded Rajinikanth and Kamal Haasan substantially. In the process of improving Kolkata.--Nvvchar (talk) 16:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --~ Golden_burg111 19:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment

About two months ago, a message was left on my talk page in regards to a 2009 comment made on my page. I am replying to this comment now:

It's obvious that you guys haven't stop, see meta:User:Goldenburg111/Reports/Wikiquote Vandalism Statics. --Golden_burg111 19:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I do not appreciate being accused of actions that are not mine. I attempted to contact the vandal to make them stop; but no such luck, and that was back in 2009. They said they would continue this behavior but for no apparent reason except for the fact that they were bored. I am sick and tired of being accused of having anything to do with this idiot. Please in the future, refrain from mentioning me at all in any of these vandalism notations; I suggest you pull another checkuser on the few hundred or so names that I compiled which were harassing me at the time. I barely come here now, and that's a clear result of being harassed at a systematic basis by this very same user who is responsible for over 300 accounts. None of the admins did anything about this; but rather, neglected my plea and ignored the truth of the matter; I put forth many summaries notating all the instances where this user repeatedly vandalized my talk page, my contributions, and furthermore, my own user name by creating similar usernames and going about in a childish infantile behavior. - Zarbon (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Zarbon, simmer down. I don't think Goldenburg intended to accuse you of anything, he just used "you guys" to refer to the vandal(s). He has been trying to help. Yes, vandalism can be irritating, but there is almost no way to completely prevent it, long-term. Saying that administrators do nothing simply isn't true. Your talk page was indefinitely semi-protected. YODO was blocked by a global sysop on request from Goldenburg. He's off the block now, but no new vandalism has appeared using that account. You are, here, complaining, but not pointing to anything specific other than Goldenburgs minor error. However, looking back, I find [3]. Many accounts have been blocked and locked. Claiming that a vandal is childish is completely useless. It just encourages them to vandalize more. See w:WP:RBI. That's about the best you can do.

Goldenburg, you mentioned the IP block exemption right in that discussion. I don't know if you have realized this, but this doesn't give the holder of the right to anything other than an immunity to IP blocks. I.e., say a user is using access that is included in some IP block or range-block, and it's hard block (not a soft block that only will block anonymous users). If this stops a legitimate user from editing, one if the possible solutions is to grant the blocked user "IP block exemption." There are no "IP block exemption-ers" except for any admin, who may grant that privilege. Only three Wikiquote users have this exemption, none are active, and one appears to have never been active. That account has only 5 edits cross-wiki, only to enwiki. I have my suspicion about what happened, but the granting user left almost no clue in the record. I hope you are well. --76.28.31.199 20:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back

the vandals are already shaking in fear. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I saw the new vandal today being idiotic as usual haha fixed it up. So how has life been treating you? --~ Golden_burg111 23:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Not bad, thanks for asking. Some interesting things will happen in the next couple of weeks, I'll keep you updated. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:01, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply man waiting for some guests to come haha. Thanks BTW. --~ Golden_burg111 01:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

New Zealand

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article New Zealand, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Colombo and Sri Lanka

I have created the article on Colombo and also expanded Sri Lanka substantially. You may like to add more.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

gr8 --Golden_burg111 14:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

thanks

TY for erasing that anon's comments. I feel its one of 20spokesperson's socks. what a butthurt kid. --Eaglestorm (talk) 05:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

No problem, I hope the feud between you two will end soon! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

I didn't start it, but it will only end when he signs off WQ for good. --Eaglestorm (talk) 07:58, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

VFD

While I agree that many of the VFD discussions should be closed, as I am the one who opened them, they should be closed by another admin (see Wikiquote:Votes_for_deletion#Closing_votes_and_deleting_articles, where it states: "To avoid conflict of interest, a sysop should never close a VfD that he or she started. However, a sysop may close a VfD in which he or she has voted."). ~ UDScott (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism-only account

Thank you for your comment. Technically, you are of course correct. However, I mean that every edit from that IP is vandalism. Were it an account and not an IP, I think I'd have given it a much longer block.--Abramsky (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the vandal fighting — I apologize for being "missing in action" — I literally dozed off a bit there — before posting the QOTD — and woke up a bit late to the mess that had gone on, in the relatively brief period of my doze. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:44, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey Kalki! It's fine. I'll be thinking about running for sysopship myself, since there seems to be a need here. Thanks. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 13:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

BBC One

Regarding this edit: BBC One is the name of a TV channel. "BBC, one" just makes no sense. In this case, the correct channel name is actually "BBC1" since that's what it was called at the time. Hairy Dude (talk) 17:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey 2020/Wikiquote/Fix rev parent id for some specific revisions

Currently, one of your edits to the page Amitabh Bachchan shows the wrong size diff number because rev_parent_id is wrong.

• 19:32, 19 March 2014 shows (-5,970) when it should instead be showing ( 41).

The linked proposal on Meta will fix rev_parent_id for the above edit to make the size diff number correct.

Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

love your user box

Hi Atcovi

I don't usually have the time to visit individual userpages. Not sure what drew my attention to your page, but I must tell you I absolutely love your #2 userbox. You are the first user I have seen display it. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Importer on Wikiquote

I see you have taken interest in Wikiquote and the importer right, would you mind voting here? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 01:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

No-Israel image on your User-Page

No-Israel

Hi Atcovi, I would like to ask you two questions:

1. One in regards to wiki-land functionaries
2. the other about what I believe to be an inappropriate post on a user page

Background: I wiki-met you over the years on other wiki-land wikis as well as here. You seemed to be a good-faith, low-key contributor. Lately I have noticed that you are a Wiki-land functionary wearing many hats, and most recently I discovered that you display a No-Israel image on one of you User pages.

Here are my questions:

1. Do you feel that all wiki-land ruling classes such as admins, global sysops,etc., should be treated exactly the same as all users, or do you feel that since they are voted to serve the community, their behavior should provide an example for others to emulate?
2. Since it appears that you do not believe Israel has a right to exist, I wonder what your views are on providing a NPOV on wiki-land wikis that have NPOV policies (all, I think, but you know better than I do?).

Take your time. I would rather have a properly-explained response than a speedy one. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ottawahitech,

I fail to understand why my behavior has changed from a "good-faith, low-key" editor that I seemed to be many years ago. I don't believe posting your political views on your user page should be scrutinized and even seen as a negative in someone's character. I also do not believe there is any issue in speaking out against the state of Israel, to which I will not engage in a political discourse regarding such because I don't believe it will benefit either me or you. I believe I have just as much freedom to represent anti-Zionist views, just as this Commons user has his freedom to oppose Islam. You don't see me questioning this user, despite the user's commitment to uploading Islamaphobic material, right? Firstly, he has a right to do so since Wikimedia aims to produce neutral content on all topics. Secondly, I have a lot better things to do than police other people.

To answer the questions, we are all adults so there isn't any sort of "model behavior" that admins need to show. Administrators and the such are simply users who have been tasked with extra responsibilities in the maintenance of the wikiworld. They are just the same as even anonymous editors & all the rules still apply to all user groups.

Secondly, I do not have any issues with NPOV articles. As cited earlier, I acknowledge Wikimedia's setting for neutral content. Again, I am not sure why this question is being asked to me simply because I oppose the state of Israel. To claim that the image on my WV page is "inappropriate", yet I haven't seen you condemn anti-Islamic & anti-LGBT views on other users' pages, seems to be double-standard to me.

I hope that my political views have no bearing on me as a Wikimedia editor, since I haven't made any effort to do so. Thanks. -Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 20:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Since you have said that you believe that normal administrative duties include such things as as blocking vandals, how do you reconcile this sentiment with the attitude that you have a lot better things to do than police other people? Are you an admin or not? Do you block vandals or not?

As I said before, take your time. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Ottawahitech,

I'm sensing some dishonesty in our discussion. The "police other people" comment was clearly not referring to blocking vandals or performing other administrative duties, but was referring to running around on Wikimedia and complaining about people's political views that don't align with mine. I am an administrator, yes. I block vandals, yes. I do NOT go around telling people that their political views are inappropriate, no.

Thanks,

-Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 22:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

So far, out of the 5 questions I asked you answered 2:

• Yes, you are an admin

and

• Yes, you block vandals

But since you did not say whether you consider vandals to be people, you still did not explain why you feel that blocking vandals is not policing them. BTW do you also block/police people for reasons other than vandalism? (q 6)

Can we please leave out the ad hominims (implying that I am being dishonest, and that I am trying to police you, etc,)?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Ottawahitech,

I apologize but I am no longer interested in engaging in this discourse. The discussion has gone off-topic and seems to be counter-productive. I apologize if any of my statements were interpreted as 'ad hominems' & I want to clarify that I only oppose the state of Israel and harbor no anti-Semitic views/hatred towards the Jewish people - and I do not feel like it's fair to consider my political stance "inappropriate" simply because you do not agree with it.

I wish you a good day, thanks!

-Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)