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Rail Barnstar

Hey, I think that having a Barnstar for Rail-related articles is a great idea. But if it's going to be on the Barnstar page, as opposed to a project page, it should at least bear some resemblance to a star, instead of just having a photo of a train. There's probably hundreds of images on commons of trains, what makes this one special? Let's get a star-ish image, okay? |{{subst:Rail Barnstar|message ~~~~}} |The Railways Barnstar The The Railways Barnstar is awarded to contributors who have expanded and improved railways related articles, projects, templates and other related subjects.

I'm removing this star from WP:BS to get us focused on doing this idea right. Unschool 02:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Rescue and Recovery Barnstars

Will someone explain to me the difference between the "Rescue Barnstar" and the "Barnstar of Recovery"? They seem to recognize the same thing (i.e. saving articles from deletion that did not require a deletion). --Delta1989 (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct. I think that what happened was this: In 2007, the Rescue Barnstar was created for this purpose of recognizing those who rescue articles from deletion. Unfortunately, the creator did not list it at WP:BS, but instead just apparently made it known to persons at the Article Rescue Squadron. In the meantime, not knowing that the Rescue Barnstar already existed, another editor, in early 2008, created the Barnstar of Recovery. Both eventually found their way to WP:BS, although the Rescue Barnstar at times appeared with a helicopter image lifting the Barnstar.

A cursory look gives the impression that the current version of the Rescue Barnstar has been awarded slightly more often in its history than the Barnstar of Recovery, and a survey of the dates awarded gives me the impression that the Rescue Barnstar has grown in popularity over the Barnstar of Recovery over the past year.

Personally, I think that there should only be one of these--they are redundant. But I must also confess that I also have a personal preference. I think that the Rescue Barnstar is superior: its imagery is more attractive and its name more appropriate. If others agree then I would not mind delisting the Barnstar of Recovery, but on the other hand, it has been awarded dozens of times. This should make for an interesting discussion. Unschool 00:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. One of those should probably be deleted. Probably the two deciding factors will be looks (which are very debatable) and number of awards (which are too close to call). Thanks for the background info. --Delta1989 (talk) 02:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, instead of deleting one, a slight change to the purpose of one of them could be a better idea. So I vote to keep both. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 20:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

You know, seeing as it's just a picture on someone's userpage, I'm going to agree. The question is, what do we change, and how? --Delta1989 (talk) 22:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think either needs to be deleted or fundamentally changed. I think the solution is to keep one on the Barnstar page, and move the other to the Personal User Award page, this way we aren't deleting an image from people who have earned the Barnstar, and it can still be awarded by those who prefer the one to the other. It's simply a question of which to keep here and which to move. There is one other option, if there is a desire to keep both or if we are unable to pick. Make one of them (probably the one with the life preserver) the "official" barnstar of the Article Rescue Squadron, to be awarded to editors who rescue an article under the auspices of that project, and move it to the Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject page. Retain the other as a general use Barnstar for people who rescue an article or multiple articles on their own, without having the support or being under the auspices of the Wikiproject. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

New barnstar

There is a new barnstar: Recent changes barnstar. -Porchcrop ^{(talk|contributions)} 04:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Reorganizing the order of the main barnstar section

Currently the order is by date, which was okay when we had a dozen barnstars, now there are near 50.

At first I was thinking of organizing these by name, then I thought maybe by popularity (by number of editors who have added the image to their page) but then I thought a few categories would be best. Alphabetized within those categories, all in one large template, as it currently is. The categories can be disguished as pastel backgrounds also.

I see roughly four category of barnstars now. More categories could be created:

Creation	Attitude and help	Clean up	Generic
Articles for Creation Audio Citation Barnstar Cleanup Content Creativity Barnstar Curator da Vinci Graphic Designer's MotivationAward Photographer's Press Real Life Recovery Rescue Rosetta Writer's	Admin's Amazingaward Anti-Flame Barnstarofpeace CivilityAward Diligence Good Humor Guidance Home-made Integrity InvisibleBarnstar Left Half of the Half Minor Modest Random Acts of Kindness Resilient Right Half of the Half Socratic Surreal Teamwork Tireless Contributor What a Brilliant Idea Working Man's Your Opinion is More Important than You Think	Anti-Spam Anti-Vandalism Copyeditor's Copyright Cleanup Defender of the Wiki Editor's Biographies of living persons Red Link Removal Redirect Wikilink	Original Special

Ikip (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I see no problem with the current organization of the page. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I kinda agree with Ikip on this, with so many barnstars, it means the ones at the bottom have less chance of being used, and because they are the new ones, this is a bit unfair. With sub-categories, it would be much easier to navigate the "main barnstar section". - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I support the idea of reorganizing the Barnstars, but I don't care for the new table format they were just put into. It added a lot of whitespace and reduced readability for the minor benefit of sortability. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you're right, that new table format looks awful! It squeezes the text into such a tiny space and makes it so hard to read. Who did that? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The reason it's been done like that, is so that you can choose to sort the barnstars (because the table is now a sortable table). So you can either sort them A-Z or chronologically (as we have it now). This is a really great idea, IMO. But I would propose moving the who modified/who created/who suggested section back into the main section, and just having one extra section for when it was added (this will still let use choose what to sort it by, and prevent it from being squashed). - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 11:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I've done this... If it is sorted by date by default, there's no need for a column. So you can resort by title by clicking the sort button next to "Title and description". I also restored the original template names, the redirects are distracting. –xeno^talk 15:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

How about making the who created, who proposed, and who modified into one colomn, and the date created in a column by itself. Like such:

Image	What to type	Title and description	Date created	Editors
	{{subst:Barn|message ~~~~}}	Original Barnstar This barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.	2003 12 19	Created by: Martin Harper Modified by: 2004 02 17 Silsor

As Kingpin13 pointed out, adding a date column allows editors to see the current chronologial format, even if the order were to change.

Ikip (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, that version looks much better. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Aye, much nicer like that :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 11:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to sort them by name by default ? Otherwise the move doesn't address the original concern : by default, the barnstars are still sorted by chronological order, which makes it harder to find the right barnstar for someone who doesn't know them. If the sortable doesn't define a default sort, we will would have to sort them manually and check that newly added barnstars are in the right place... :s Ksempac (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I think a separate date column is unnecessary since they're sorted by date already. –xeno^talk 15:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with making this new table for the barnstars (including the date of creation), anyone else vote in favour? - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 21:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I, too, like the new table, but what is this "vote" of which you speak? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually there are now 2 "new tables". The one with a date column [1] as discussed here. And the one without the date column that xeno made and is the current one displayed on the page [2]. I'm in favor of the one with the date, because if we make alphabetical order the default order, some here will ask to be able to sort them by chronological order. Ksempac (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is why we should keep it in chronological order and allow sorting by title - less columns needed. –xeno^talk 15:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

This looks horrid. K.I.S.S. looks much better. And I do not think the short forms should be used in the code example, they are very distracting. –xeno^talk 15:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I mean support. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 01:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

--Epeefleche (talk) 02:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)===Shortcut name columns orginization===

Image	What to type	Title and description	Date created and editors
	{{subst:Barn|message ~~~~}}	Original Barnstar This barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.	2003 12 19 Created by: Martin Harper Modified by: 2004 02 17 Silsor

I just reduced the number of columns to 5 (as explained above), and can lower it to 4 (combining date created and editors who were involved into one column). Basically just adding one colomn extra for date.

I think the shortcut makes sense. No one types: Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks they type WP:NPA. I created easy to remember shortcuts for the 60 barnstars on the list.

I think the current organization should be changed, (thus making the dates created sortable makes sense) as editors explained above. It was okay to have the list chronological when there were less than 20 barnstars, now there are over 60, I think they should be reorganized, or at the least, maybe have 5 columns, with a category column added:

Image	What to type	Title and description	Date created and editors	Category
	{{subst:Barn|message ~~~~}}	Original Barnstar This barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated.	2003 12 19 Created by: Martin Harper Modified by: 2004 02 17 Silsor	Help

Ikip (talk)

Not a fan of the shortcuts in the static text. –xeno^talk 15:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Compromise could be achieved thusly (just the first example). Don't have time to finish the rest so either revert or complete it or wait for me to =) –xeno^talk 16:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

4 columns looks much better than 5, IMO. With a 800-1000 pixel wide window the main text is far too squashed in the 5 column format. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I also support the four column version because I don´t think the category column may be of much help. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 01:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I also suppor the four column version. Nice work.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

What purpose is served by the four column version? I think this is okay, if people object to the chronological listing, but they are already sorted by date by default, and the extra column—nay, columns—may provide some additional functionality, but it is functionality with no purpose that I can detect. And it just looks like crap. As xeno said a week ago, no sort-by-date column is unnecessary. For such a huge change, this has moved a bit too quickly, methinks. Do we actually have consensus on this yet? Unschool 02:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I do think we need consensus. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 07:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yes we do. Making any change that sweeping needs consensus. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Two peace barnstars

There's a peace barnstar in the general section, and another in the topical section. The two are different, but share the same name. SHould this be changed?

I suggest changing the general one form "Peace Barnstar" to "Diplomacy Barnstar", because:

1) The award is for resolving conflicts on Wikipedia 2) The barnstar itself is based off of the United Nations logo.

--Delta1989 (talk) 19:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...two peace barnstars, I never noticed that.Abce2|This isnot a test 23:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Should I change the first Peace Barnstar to the Diplomacy Barnstar? I've noticed that the creating user was blocked, so I can't really get his permission. --Delta1989 (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes have been made. YOu may continue to award both as often as you'd like. The purpose of either barnstar has not changed. --Delta1989 (talk) 11:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Good change. Unschool 02:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Master editor star

How about changing the much fluorescence of the master editor stars (service awards) for a halo of light. The stars could be like the platinum star or a white star, but with a more elegant halo of light instead of the sunshine. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 19:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You mean like what I did with this one? Equazcion (talk) 00:54, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)

Exactly that! But in this case, the halo will not be just added, but replacing the shine. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 08:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Chess barnstar

What you really need is a barnstar for chess. ²³¹₉₁Pa (talk) 13:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean a barnstar for good edits to chess related articles? If so, this should fall under the toys and games barnstar. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Kingpin, I'm okay with your suggestion, but I somehow suspect that Chess afficionados are not going to like their intellectual pursuit lumped in with "Toys". ;-) Unschool 14:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not, but "games" certainly is accurate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Aye, it's the games part that I thought chess came under. Chess isn't exactly a toy. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

This is probably not the right place to report but...

...Jakkinx (talk · contribs) seems to be awarding himself Barnstars and undeserved service awards. Check his awards page, apparently unregistered users have signed their names on the Barnstars. I can find no evidence of people giving him them in his talk page. Well, Mr. Oddball (talk · contribs) and Thrillerx (talk · contribs) have. But that's only two. He also has almost every service award, and recently gave me a plutonium one, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 10:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

There's really nothing we can do. He can put whatever he wants on his userpage. He obviously has no integrity if he really is awarding himself Barnstars or unearned service awards, but they're all unofficial so the Barnstar Police aren't going to go breaking down his door or anything. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. That's what I expected, but never mind. What I was really concerned about was the sort of signature forgery of non-existent users, but I suppose that doesn't matter too much, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 15:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Acually, I don't think you can do that.Abce2|This isnot a test 23:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, you certainly can't do it in a Wikipedia discussion or a request for comment or admin choosing scrum or the like, but I doubt anyone cares about it on a user page for something like this. I could be wrong, though. If the use of false usernames is what concerns you, try asking at the Admin noticeboard. This is the sort of thing that Admins are supposed to be doing, after all (when they're not causing problems and nonsense for regular Wikipedians or lording it over people). They should be able to tell you whether a policy is being violated and whether action needs to be taken. I don't think it is since it is a user page, but I (reluctantly) admit that they would know better than me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed this barnstar?

Just checking. Abce2|This isnot a test 20:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Looks kinda familiar though... Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 20:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it could be the Harry Potter Barnstar? Looks like that owl from Harry Potter, can't remember the name, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 20:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

A new user added it to the Barnstar list a couple weeks ago. It's the Barn owl Barnstar.Abce2|This isnot a test 20:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit summary of mine. I forgot to type the rest.Abce2|This isnot a test 20:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, right, I see what you mean now. But I do have to say, how often are we going to need a Barn-owl barnstar? I mean, there must be at most two Barn-owl specific related articles, if you get what I mean. Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 21:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I have removed it until there is consensus to put it back.Abce2|This isnot a test 21:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Definitely the correct call, Abce. (Though it is an attractive B-Star, IMHO.) Unschool 09:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll put a section on WP:Barnstar mentioning not to be barnstars without disscussing them.Abce2|This isnot a test 22:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. [[3]]Abce2|This isnot a test 22:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Two New Barnstars

I propose to introduce an Architecture Barnstar and a Virology Barnstar, for personal observance of lack of having these two barnstars. Please correct me if they exist and I do not notice them. Я£ΙИӺΘЯСΣĐᴙᶕᵻᴎᵮᴓᴚᴐᶒᵯɘᴎᴛᶊ (talk) 21:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Try double checking the Wikiproject barnstars.Abce2|This isnot a test 21:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I doubled checked. I don't see anything about these specific barnstars. Я£ΙИӺΘЯСΣĐᴙᶕᵻᴎᵮᴓᴚᴐᶒᵯɘᴎᴛᶊ (talk) 14:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Templates into sub-categories?

Is it OK to put barnstar templates into sub-categories of Category:Barnstar award templates instead of the main category? SharkD (talk) 07:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I suppose there's no problem with doing it, if you want to take the time to organize them in that manner, but is it really necessary? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Damn. OK, after actually looking at Category:Barnstar award templates, I agree with you whole-heartedly, SharkD. That category is so huge it's pretty much useless as it is right now. I strongly support creating sub-categories for the barnstars as you suggest. What subcategories did you have in mind? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cool as a Cat

I thought I'd raise the issue of my Cool Cat Bstar for community perspective. It was recently removed on account of having a few other similar Bstars,[4] and several of them do work. However, I'm not sure it is a reason to remove mine and, personally, I'm not sure the cucumber award is quite as appealing (no offense to its maker). Thoughts? Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 15:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I too dislike the Cucumber award; it just looks yuck to me. However, one thing that we have been trying to do as of late is prevent the introduction of clearly redundant BStars. While the cuke is ugly, and not even a barnstar, the Anti-Flame and Diplomacy Barnstars seem pretty clearly to cover the ground you are looking to seed. Unschool 00:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

If we both agree on the "cuke", then perhaps it is time to let it go and replace it with a more agreeable one? Another option is to reconstruct the anti-flame and diplomacy ones into a related category and just mark down the category with the related icons onto the page. Thoughts/suggestion? Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 03:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't want to rush anyone, but I did spend some (fun-filled) time on this barnstar and I fully believe that there is room to have it featured. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

If you're proud of the image, might there be another use for it? Take a look at this discussion from a while back, where an editor designed a BStar for one purpose but it actually got accepted for another very different purpose. Unschool 06:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for Newts

I would be very grateful if some of the denizens of this abode were to create three awards for Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at CSD I was thinking of a sockthemed barnstar for participants, a barnstar for those who treat our participants well and perhaps a newt themed non barnstar award for those who've been caught up in the process but tried to make amends. ϢereSpielChequers 19:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Sockcat

My little kitty Sockcat pulled open a drawer and nestled into a warm bed of socks. As soon as I sort them out you may have material for that barnstar. _Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark^{bugs and goblins} 15:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Heaven knows why you want a barnstar for this, but glad to oblige

Done. :)_ _Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark^{bugs and goblins} 16:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ta muchly your maj.

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  Larvae File:Newt crop 113008.jpg
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  Emperor Newt
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  Crested newt
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I think one or more of the above would suffice for the NEWT award for speedy tagging that has come to the attention of Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at CSD. ϢereSpielChequers 18:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC) I've turned Hamlet's image into a barnstar {{subst:The Righteous Sock Barnstar|your message here ~~~~}}

		The Righteous Sock Barnstar
		Awarded to WikiProject Wikipedia Awards for meritorious socking at WP:Newbie treatment at CSD :) ϢereSpielChequers 19:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Requesting Uganda barnstar

Would one of you, who are better able to do such things, be interested in creating a barnstar for the use of Wikipedia:WikiProject Uganda? I would assume the choice for the ribbon would be either the colors of the flag or the crane from the Flag of Uganda. John Carter (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to come up with something, unless someone is already working on it. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 06:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed barnstar

What do you think? ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 06:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks very good to me. What sort of procedure is there to follow to get it "approved", if there is one, or do we just go with it? John Carter (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Normally, we decide it here. The few people that visit this page sort of !vote on it, or in this case wikiproject Uganda can decide since it's for them. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 05:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to place it at the Ugandan Wikiproject as a donation. I can't imagine having us place a BStar for every country at WP:Barnstar. Unschool 07:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I am one of the editors at the Uganda WikiProject, and I think it's good. John Carter (talk) 17:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Instructions needed

I think this awards thing is a great idea, and I'd like to be able to give a few deserving editors some awards. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any instructions on how to actually place an award onto another user's page. Some simple instructions would be very helpful to techno-boobs like me...Oh, I see Wikipedia:Other awards has What to type boxes. That's great, but there are a variety of awards pages, and they don't all have that.--CurtisSwain (talk) 21:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

To place an award, just type what is shown in What to type section. Very simple (...don´t forget the "subst"). Some other sections like the "Personal User Awards" or the "Ribbon Alternatives" don´t have that section, in which case, you only have to place the bare image in someone else´s page. If you like, you can instead place that image in a box (wich can be also decorated by the way), so it won´t look too simple. I also recomend to edit the barnstar and place a customized one (not the image, but the box, the text and the colors). So markup skills increase at the same time as you are giving a good-looking barnstar, and not a standard common one. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 17:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The life missing barnstar

What happened to this barnstar? I can´t find it here, and I thought it was here... perhaps..... - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 04:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I vaguely recall seeing this. What was it given for? Unschool 06:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I don´t remember, but I say it should be rescued. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 17:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it was for people who spend so much time on Wikipedia that they have no life, hence "life missing". No? Never mind, Lord Spongefrog, (Talk to me, or I'll eat your liver!) 18:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• From doc: "The Barnstar of Life may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine Life-related contributions" whatever that means. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn´t mean the title "Life missing" of the star, I meant the "life barnstar" ...which was missing (not in the barnstar page). - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 08:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

If we want to give...

If we want to give someone a barnstar what do we do? I want to give one to the user who helped me whn i started.Talon Foot (talk) 03:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Giving a barnstar is a great idea for this, and it's fairly easy :). Take a look through Wikipedia:Barnstars until you find a barnstar which is appropriate, I'd suggest the {{The Helping Hand Barnstar}}. Then copy the code in "what to type" ("{{subst:The Helping Hand Barnstar|message ~~~~}}" for the helping hand). Replacing "message" with your message for the user, and copy and paste to the user's talkpage. Make sure you use preview. Hope that help, if not feel free to ask again :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I see you already managed, good choice! . - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Requesting Wiki Project Wales Barnstar

Greetings. Would one of you be able to create a barnstar for Wiki Project Wales? A first attempt is posted here. Many thanks. ~Geaugagrrl ^talk 03:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've suggested a design there. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 05:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Requesting Holiday barnstar

There is apparently already a Halloween barnstar, which is nice, but can really only be used on Halloween. There does not seem to be any sort of general "holiday" barnstar, or any sort of award for any other particular holidays. Considering that we do like to have relevant DYKs and other main page material on the holidays available on the days in question, it struck me that it might be a good idea to have an award available to be given out to editors who help produce such material. Of course, this could take the form of specific barnstars for individual days, and maybe for a few that would be useful as well, but some sort of generic holiday award would also probably be very welcome. I imagine Wikipedia:WikiProject Holidays could use it as well. John Carter (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Ya i was kinda hoping to find one for christmas article work myself but didnt have any luck finding something. Ottawa4ever (talk) 08:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Ribbons

I'd like to recommend that some could create ribbons for the following:

• Featured lists
• Featured pictures
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Featured portals
• Good articles
• Triple crowns

ISD (talk) 17:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Conservative Barnstar

There is a barnstar, "Outspoken", that encompasses several political philosophies, however, there is not one for those who defend articles that relate to Conservative politics. Perhaps this should be remedied? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the reason there is no such barnstar is the same as to why there is no WikiProject Conservatism. If we started Barnstars for all political stances, we'd have a very long list indeed and not better off than now. If you want to award a barnstar to someone who defends such articles, there is a variety of barnstars to do so. Same for awarding an award for good article writing contributions. There does not seem to be a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics though, you might want to consider creating one for that project instead which could be awarded for all politics-related contributions. Regards SoWhy 20:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Barnstar

Dear Barnstar Commitee, I am Belugaboy535136, and I have a great idea for a new barnstar!! How about this: The WikiProject Barnstar! If somebody joins many WikiProjects and helps out a bundle on them, they should be eligable for the WikiProject Barnstar! Tell me what you think on my talk page of the idea!! Warm regards, Belugaboy535136 (talk) 16:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Belugaboy535136! I appreciate your enthusiasm, but we already have a Wikiproject barnstar at Template:The WikiProject Barnstar. This award has been around for more than a year and is widely used in Wikipedia. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 05:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

What Barnstars are There?

Hello, thank you for your time. I am Belugaboy535136, author of four articles. I was wondering what barnstars there are. I want to give somebody on WikiPedia a barnstar because they've been a very good editor, and are very kind. So, if you could point me in the direction of the page that has the barnstars, I would be much grateful. Thank you again for your time, Belugaboy535136 (talk) 16:42, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Barnstars for the complete list with explanations on when to use them. Regards SoWhy 16:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

'Complete list'? Are you sure? Now, I haven't been in Wikipedia for a while but when I left for a wikibreak last August the WP:* page still isn't what I'd call 'complete'. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost BACK FROM EXAMS 02:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

May I add this barnstar to the list?

I would like to add a new barnstar to the list. -> template:The Struck Through Barnstar It's a reward for retracting (generally by striking through) statements for the right reasons. For example, if a user posts an uncivil remark and strikes through it and apologizes... or anything of that sort where they show good judgment by retracting a statement.--Stinging Swarm ^talk 05:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that sort of thing be covered by the Civility Barnstar? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but not necessarily.--Stinging Swarm ^talk 16:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not think that such action (of retracting) is important enoug to deserve a barnstar of its own. Perhaps the dove award or the olive branch award could do enough, like in situations of disputes or something. I would suggest that this barnstar is given away to other users anyway, not storing it with the other barnstars but in your own userspace as I do as a custom-made barnstar (because I also consider some barnstars I made not great enough to be with those here, but good enoug to be given away), anyway, the main barnstar list would be very big if we add every minor-relevance barnstar also. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 22:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, I agree. I suppose it's fine on wp:personal user awards, so disregard this. Stinging Swarm ^talk 00:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Helpful Barnstar

Does this one already exist? Because I am sure I've seen it. If not, it is a suggestion for a new one. Paperfork ♠ 19:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

What is it for? For others who are helping you? Do you mean {{The Helping Hand Barnstar}} maybe? Regards SoWhy 19:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, basically. But it appears to already exist in the form that you mentioned above. That must have been what I had seen. Paperfork ♠ 02:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

And the random acts of kindness barnstar. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost BACK FROM EXAMS 12:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Friendship Barnstar

I am RichardOwen97 and i got an idea! Friendship Barnstar? For being friendly to a user(s), helping the user(s) in tough times, and cheering the user(s) up when they are down etc. Just tell me about my idea on my talk page thanks a lot. --RichardOwen97 (talk) 21:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you explain why the current barnstars and WikiLove templates are insufficient for this? Regards SoWhy 22:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

do you mean that the 'freindship barnstar' doesnt have anything to do with helping or working on wikipedia? if so, ill try and think of a better one, --RichardOwen97 (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

While a friendship barnstar is a good idea, way too many similar barnstars are proposed and I don't think it's wise to make yet another one. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost BACK FROM EXAMS 12:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

fair enough, cheers --RichardOwen97 (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

create a department?

Well it seems like anybody who has been on wikipedia for over a year has a barnstar and it is tending a bit pro-barnstar. So to let it be neutral, productive and valued, may I suggest a Department of Barnstar similar to Commons POTY and with page listings of editors. I think this will be helpful for Wikimedia Foundation in a lot of way, coordination aspect and pace up content contribution. (e.g. essay review, expert-attention, resolving COI, initiates can be launch faster since the need for the criteria/manifesto of people are clearer and i am sure it will give Wikimedia Foundation a lot of opportunity to collaborate with university, colleges, vocational school globally). I mean Wikimedia Outreach, Google Summer of Code and Conference is becoming too much of a burden than being productive. People rely on it too much, there is potential for wikipedia to become way better.

I think Wikimedia Foundation really want this and desperately need this, note that this is a wiki-encyclopedia (aka Quick-Encyclopedia) and let's try and make this back to the manifesto it was meant to be before and become less stratifying than it needs to be. I think you guys already know better for the reason of why people vandalize wikipedia and with the muss and fuss of afd, npov etcetera. Just accept that fact. Everybody who contributed know its sucks, but all of still get through it one way or another. So enough said of overstretch people perspective, opinion, ethnic wars...etc interpersonal matters. let help wiki reduce the culting of soapbox.

Besides a lot of backbone projects are created by users such as WikiStats and hosted through Wikimedia Foundation.

Note:

• POTY = Picture of the Year
• POTD = Picture of the Day

i think u guys are familar with the POTD, WOTD etcetera --173.183.102.184 (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, this is a terrible idea. The Barnstars aren't supposed to be some kind of official Wikipedia thing, they are a nice little bit of recognition for one editor to give another. No need for all that bureaucratic nonsense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to use such strong words, Nutiketaiel. :-P Of course, this is a pretty useless idea and I don't think it will help Wikipedia at all. 173's arguments are not very strong, and (s)he ought to improve his grammar. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 14:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

New award

I was thinking of introducing a new award: the Wikipedian extraordinaire. The award image would look like a crown with 3 points, of which the upper side is colored blue on the sides, showing a W. The award could be given to any wikipedian that has generated the most (and or the most useful) contributions to Wikipedia. The award would thus be more difficult to obtain than a barnstar, but hold more prestige. KVDP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.63.183 (talk • contribs)

Given the wealth of awards that already exist, I don't think this one is necessary. Additionally, I would not hold it in higher regard. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I´m not into this thing of making barnstars with a higher value than others. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 22:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My opinion is that this award sounds a bit weird and offbeat and generally a bit crazy. Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 10:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

There would be too much dispute over who is better than who, and wikipedians will be put down if someone gets more credit and attention, and barnstars are to basically say 'thanks' or 'well done', where anyone can give them; this is more of an award where only administrators can give them monthly or anually. Richard 21:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I for one would like to see a ranking of the best wikipedians, ranked, of course, by number of barnstars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.141.1 (talk) 23:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

This is an absolutely unacceptable idea, as some wikipedians deserving barnstars don't always get them, and different pedians have different opinions on the amount of work that has to be done in order to get a barnstar. It also creates a labelling effect. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 14:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Veteran Barnstar?

This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but a Veteran Barnstar? For trying your hardest on a particular article, or perhaps just in general, for being on wikipedia for a long time, and doing your hardest on everything. Or is it to similar to the service awards. Cheers, Richard 21:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't think it's similar to a service award, since it isn't for oneself. However, I find it quite unecessary. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 14:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Displaying an unearned award

Is there any action to be taken against users who display an award they have not earned? I don't personally like the idea of a penalty (and I doubt there is one in effect), but I find it very irksome that User:Bigtop displays {{The Barnstar of Integrity}} (ironically enough), {{SA-vanguardeditor}}, and {{SA-kipzock}}, all of which he has not earned, and all of which are highly flattering. Presumably he is only one of many. — the Man in Question (in question) 07:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I see want you mean, and I must say that the barnstar of integrity is absolutely not acceptable. SA-vanguardeditor is to be given to oneself, so this is not a problem. I've never heard of kipzock before. I'll check out what it is. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 10:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Kipzock is also a service award, so that leaves the barnstar of integrity. However, the editor might be just acting silly, presenting a fake award, since it is obviously fake. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 10:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, the service awards have criteria, and (s)he's not eligible, so I don't see how they're not an issue. Just saying. But again, I'm not trying to cause this editor problems. I just find it extraordinarily disingenuous to display an award which specifically says it "cannot yet be earned". — the Man in Question (in question)

He's just a teenager.. unless they're being malicious or disruptive I don't see anything to raise a big stink over.. just ignore it.. and afaik there's nothing in policy that says you can't award yourself barnstars. -- œ^™ 10:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

*Sigh* All right. Maybe I'll send him a friendly trout-slap. — the Man in Question (in question) 10:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

FYI, User:Moore Physics, who posted a strange message at Bigtop's talk, also self-awarded a Barnstar. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 13:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC) P.S. I'm not even a teenager yet. One more year to go.:) And the reason for doing it is nonsense. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 13:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Country Award

For historical places, how about the Soviet Union? For showing outstanding effort and dedication to articles related to WikiProject: Soviet Union? I think its great personally. Richard 20:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC).

Hey Richard, nice idea, but the Soviet Union Project already has a barnstar, see Template:Soviet_Barnstar, feel free to suggest changes to it though. WikiProjects very often have their own awards, most of them are listed at Wikipedia:Awards_by_WikiProject. Best, - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, i just thought of it because its not on the 'country awards' project page for 'historical places'. cheers, Richard 19:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Prussia? How about that then as an historical country, for work in WikiProject: Prussia and other related articles? Richard 20:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I think a Germany barnstar would be good enough; no need getting a WP:* for every WikProject you come across with. Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 14:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Aviation Barnstar

Does this exist I don't think it does. While editing I've noticed alot of the same usernames on there with mine.

Fly it 'till the last piece stops moving - somebody, User:Sumsum2010 02:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

How about {{Wikiwings}}? — the Man in Question (in question) 02:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking like a propeller with the Wikipedia Logo in the middle. But ok Fly it 'till the last piece stops moving - somebody, User:Sumsum2010 04:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Robot Barn-star

i think bots deserve there own catagory for barnstars, so many bots i have seen "tireless contributor" barnstars whell here is my rendition of that for robots located at User:Koman90/bot-barnstar

File:Robot Barnstar.svg		The Robot Programmer's Barnstar
		In Honor of the great sucess of your robot Robot Name Here i present you with this Robot Programmer's BarnstarKoman90 (talk), A (Verify) 03:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Please Feel Fee to comment on this and vote as to weather this should be adopted, thanks --Koman90 (talk), A (Verify) 03:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

First, a spelling mistake: whether, not weather. (I do the opposite, ha ha!) Second, we are not going to vote. WPWPA gains consensus, not votes. Even if we get 13 supports and 11 opposes, the discussion is not gonna e closed since we don't have a consensus. Finally, I don't think it's necessary to give bots barnstars. You could give their owners one, but not the bots themselves. Maybe this barnstar can be awarded to users with significant ccontribution to robots and artificial intelligence? Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 01:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

sorry about "vote" i tend to use some wired terminology but at least people can understand what I mean, i didn't reay know how to phrase the act of "comming to a consesus" although in knew what it ment and i knew that's what we do here, and yes i did kind of phrase it wrong i made the subject the robotic application and not the robot's owner, i will attempt to correct this, and re-submit the barnstar--Koman90 (talk), A (Verify) 23:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, i think this sounds better and might i mention that tis not only could be awarded to a robot's programmer, but also to one who discovers a major programming flaw, or to one who inspired an idea for a robot respectively please see the award above --Koman90 (talk), A (Verify) 23:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

In short, anything that's got to do with bots, even cluebot's false positives. Exciting stuff. Maybe you could leave Wikipedians to decide what to do with it. (shouting) People! What are your opinions on the bot barnstar thingy? Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 02:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I like it Richard 16:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

As a user who runs a bot, I know that I get a warm fuzzy feeling inside every time someone thanks my bot for it's work . We already have the Da Vinci and Bot Builders awards for programmers, so I don't think we need another variation there. Because of this I prefer the original design (the one for bots), my only qualm about that award is that it seems a little bit like an award given simply for being a bot, but maybe that's just me. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Kingpin on this. I think the awards we already have cover this adequately. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The nominator requested a G7 speedy on this image, so if you're reading this in the archives, don't wonder why it displays improperly :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Unecessary barnstar

Something I found on WP:*:
{{subst:The Vladimir Horowitz Barnstar|message ~~~~}} The Vladimir Horowitz Barnstar The Vladimir Horowitz Barnstar may be awarded to an editor who makes particularly fine contributions to Vladimir Horowitz-related articles. Created and introduced on January 28th, 2010 by Etincelles.

I've never even heard of him. And even so, a single person shouldn't deserve a barnstar of his/her own, unless that person is Adolf Hitler or Albert Einstein. Besides, (let's face it) the barnstar looks a bit weird. Delete it? Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 02:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Kayau. he is a brilliant pianist, but not famous enough. Richard 10:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

This suggestion is a joke, right? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Temporarily removed from WP:*. Will not be restored unless some miracle rescues it, haha! Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse 14:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)