Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sweden/Archive 1
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Articles
Here are some articles that I have found which I think would fit this project. All are architectural articles but they are well writen and they cover interesting and unique objects/subjects.
Balder - A short article but well written, there is only two simular rollercoasters in the world so it makes it somewhat unique.
Landshövdingehus - Stumbled across this article and found it very interesting, it covers a object which is unique to Sweden.
Gothenburg Opera, Drottningholm Palace Theatre and Royal Swedish Opera - Key article to culture in sweden.
--Krm500 11:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your suggestions.
- I'm adding articles based on their potential interest to foreigners. As such, I do not consider Balder, Landshövdingehus core articles. One way to determine potential interest, is to look at the interwiki-links to each articles, by which you can determine how much interest there is in the subject world-wide.
- I've added Drottningholm and Royal Swedish Opera.
- Fred-Chess 14:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
East Indiaman Götheborg is a good candidate. Rumour has it that it might stay in Shanghai until the Expo 2010. --Krm500 11:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I added it. / Fred-Chess 12:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Nordea should IMO be part of the economy section --Krm500 22:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- I now added it and some other companies ( Assa Abloy, Investor AB, etc) / Fred-Chess 07:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Sport atricles: Zlatan Ibrahimović, Henrik Larsson, Nicklas Lidström, Markus Näslund and Frölunda HC. --Krm500 22:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Lund should be added to "cities". --Winterus 15:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
New facts to Project Sweden, please extend and use references: Lars Ernster, Raoul Wallenberg in Budapest: memorial [[1]] and 1945_The_Swedish_Embassy [[2]]
Featured pictures
How about trying too get some swedish related pictures fetured? There are some beutiful pictures that might stand a chance of fetured status. Maybe a picture of Turning Torso or Uppsala Cathedral? Any other suggestions? --Krm500 11:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- I know there are lots of nice pictures of Sweden but I have not seen any interest in selecting them and trying to get them featured.... I ran a "Swedish picture of the day" on Commons for a while, but there was very little interest in maintaining it.
- Fred-Chess 20:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Assesment?
How about some sort of an assesment project for all the core articles? Rated by importance to this project and the quality of the article? But not only that, it's a way too advertise the project, maybe some new members could come along? --Krm500 22:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- If someone wants to assess articles, please go head. user:Pia_L thought we shouldn't make this too complex and I agreed with her. There are around 10,000 articles related to Sweden, and I don't want to start assessing them.
- Fred-Chess 20:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I would like to start an assessment but there are two problems: first of all, many articles shouldn't be assessed under a general "Swedish" project, but rather in a subproject such as "WikiProject Swedish music" , "WikiProject Swedish history", or similar. Secondly, I have no previous experience with WikiProject assessment and feel uncomfortable starting an assessment department that no-one is interested in maintaining.
- Fred-Chess 13:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- I was thinking that an assesment would be a good way to keep track of the progress. And I wasn't thinking about a full scale 10 000 article assesment but maybe all that are on the project front page. Plus it's a good way to get new members, like a little banner on all talk pages. I could try starting up an assesment but IMO since it's going to be rather small we could just keep it here and not make an assesment/WP:SWE page.--Krm500 15:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Krm500, we would probably need to create one sub-page for each category in need of assessment, since we have so many core articles already. It's just going to be too bulky and hard to manage otherwise, I think. But we can link the statistics to the front page that Fred created so that there's a running tally of how the project is doing as a whole. How about using the code Plange has implemented on the Firefly project as a base for the Sweden project? I copied it to my sand box to see how it works, but I didn't enter any Swedish articles on any assessment page yet: [3]. It's Plange's assessment page which is temporarily feeding into my sandbox now: [4] and it updates the main project page automatically. Best, Pia 14:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Uhm, just noticed Editorial_Team_Assessment and WP:WVWP tonight. So does that mean that we have to be signed up as a sub-project somewhere in order to use that kind of "official" assessment scale then? And does it mean that only some categories (like Swedish literature/art/mythology, etc) can participate? Pia 07:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Eh, yes but I vote for no at this moment. The idea is too use it under Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment Sweden but this could be done at any time and we could get the project started first and see how it goes. Quote from me at in this text -"IMO since it's going to be rather small we could just keep it here and not make an assesment/WP:SWE page."
- Uhm, just noticed Editorial_Team_Assessment and WP:WVWP tonight. So does that mean that we have to be signed up as a sub-project somewhere in order to use that kind of "official" assessment scale then? And does it mean that only some categories (like Swedish literature/art/mythology, etc) can participate? Pia 07:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Krm500, we would probably need to create one sub-page for each category in need of assessment, since we have so many core articles already. It's just going to be too bulky and hard to manage otherwise, I think. But we can link the statistics to the front page that Fred created so that there's a running tally of how the project is doing as a whole. How about using the code Plange has implemented on the Firefly project as a base for the Sweden project? I copied it to my sand box to see how it works, but I didn't enter any Swedish articles on any assessment page yet: [3]. It's Plange's assessment page which is temporarily feeding into my sandbox now: [4] and it updates the main project page automatically. Best, Pia 14:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
--Krm500 10:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Krm500, sorry, I didn't understand that part of your statement, basically because I wasn't aware of the Editorial team's involvement with the various projects or the assistance available from them. Were you thinking about just adding a grade after each article on Fred's list instead then? My worries about that kind of assessment is how it would work practically: Would that mean that we are going to discuss the merits of each article on the talk page and then ask Fred to add (or add ourselves) the word "stub", "no references", "needs work", grade 3, class B, or whatever, after each article on his current list? Wouldn't doing it in a "small and easy" version on the current page make for a messy front page with possibly unconventional grading schemes? If we are going to encourage and invite people to assist with the assessment tasks and if we are also hoping to supply an overview of the assessments (in order to keep track of the progress of the project), it would perhaps make more sense to eventually invest the time and use the grading scale that's established already for other projects, as well as the established code that feeds automatically to a front-page summary of how many articles have been assessed and what state they are in at any given time. It will mean hard work setting it up, but after that it's pretty much a community effort that can run on slow, eternally. The assessment pages currently in use supply space for comments, where you can add f.ex "referenced, but unbalanced" or "well written, but no citations" etc to explain your grade. So people can go back over the assessments at any time and up the grade once the problems in the comment are addressed. Still: yeah, it's a lot of work. I'll ask someone at the editorial team, but I assume a first step would mean transferring the list of articles to an assessment page and add the grades "good" and "featured" for the articles that have met official FA and GA status, and then ask people to help enter graded assessments for the other articles, whether they are stubs, or fit in higher on the established grading scale (not GA or FA, obviously, since those are official categories). Even if the total assessment task is not finished until 2026 or so, at least we would have the tools set up to make it happen eventually? Just putting the idea out there for later use then. :) Pia 12:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I set up the Assessment department for the Football WikiProject, so in case you/we/whatever decide to start something similar for Sweden, I'll be glad helping in fixing the templates and pages needed for starters. – Elisson • T • C • 14:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we should assess all Sweden-related articles anyways -- within reason. I am not so used to projects. Could you think something up, maybe?
- Fred-Chess 18:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Johan_Elisson, you would seem the perfect person to take that on. I think we need to make sure, as a start, that the placing of the "invitation to assess" tags on the various Sweden articles' talk pages is limited to those that are on Fred's official list or the assessment part of the project will quickly swell beyond the scope of the original project and become impossible to manage. When the tag is created, can it say something like: "This article is part of the Swedish article improvement drive, please help assess it. For other articles targeted in this drive, see Project Sweden." or something similar, to limit its use, at least for now? Pia 18:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to find a reference with information about the Swedish fashion designer and AIDS activist Sighsten Herrgård. He seems to have been quite a significant figure, and I think he deserves inclusion in the List of HIV-positive people. However, this is not possible without a reference, and I've been able to find anything in English. Can anyone help? Thanks. Trezatium 17:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Please ignore the above - someone has found a reference already. Trezatium 20:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a little heads up! The swedish related article on Hallstorp (an early Viking settlements on Öland) appeard on the front page of Wikipedia today (5 October) in the Did you know? section. --Krm500 22:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Established or Charter?
I need some help with a choice of words, should I use Charter, Established or something else? I'm working on the Gothenburg article and in the article the word Charter is used for when the city became a city. But everywhere else on Wikipedia, Established is used. The word is for when the city got City status in Sweden. --Krm500 09:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well we should use the year of charter. You can also say "City in [year]". I don't know what articles you've been looking at but many countries don't have charters (USA for example), but if you look at English cities they will tell you when the city was granted its charter, e.g. equivalent City status in the United Kingdom.
- Fred-Chess 11:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you haven't noticed, I added some more suggestions in the ToDo box in Talk:Gothenburg / Fred-Chess 11:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- I havn't noticed, I'm currently working on a new infobox for the article. Hard too find information though, like for example the area of metropolitan and urban Gothenburg. Or urban area population. When I'm done I'll start working on improving the article.--Krm500 22:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, they can be tricky... http://www.scb.se might have some information. I think that if you look at standard books about Gothenburg, they will usually have this kind of information. The municipal website might also have it. / Fred-Chess 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added the infobox now, take a look. --Krm500 23:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just a note, we should not have such specific infoboxes. That one is only being useful for one single article, which sort of makes it useless having it as a template. I would suggest you propose changes to the general infobox for Swedish cities ({{Infobox Stad}}) instead. – Elisson • T • C • 23:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe a bad move by me, didn't think about much, the idea was to save space in the article. The template however isn't created by me, it's the standard city template from the WikiProject on Cities. Other cities that use the same infobox have their own template page, for example Template:Infobox New York City.--Krm500 00:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A challenge from Norway
Hi! I have written the list former municipalities of Norway. I noticed that municipality mergers have taken place in Sweden as well, thus we should definitely create former municipalities of Sweden. The Swedish Wikipedia already has some sort of version at sv:Lista över försvunna svenska kommuner, but it is far from complete and lacks references. If someone can provide a good reference, like we have at the Norwegian version, I'll be glad to help in establishing this list! Punkmorten 19:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- By the say I set up a category Category:Former municipalities of Sweden. Please help populating it! :) Punkmorten 19:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Good articles
One idea with this project is that members could grant or fail good article candidates, since Swedish people are supposedely better at knowing omission etc of Swedish articles, and the good article works in a non-formal way so that anyone can grant or fail a good article nominee. Is there any interest in reviewing good article candidates? / Fred-Chess 13:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Absolutely, I think that it is a good idea but so far we're not so many members of the project so could such a little group of wikipedians pass an article for GA? --Krm500 00:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- It depends if people want to do it. For example, if you nominate articles, I can review them. I've reviewed several articles already. / Fred-Chess 16:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
History of Sweden
Ive read some articles related to the History of Sweden, and this is a point where there needs to be done a lot of work... Most of it is just copied from Encyclopedia Britannica and contains loads of incorrect facts and complete nonsense.
So, instead of writing irritated posts at this project page, I though I should do something about it. I am studying history, so I have some idea what it is all about at least. :-)
Anyone interested in helping along? Maybe we could create a subpage about history to this project?
Nice to see that there is a project page about Sweden, by the way. My regards to all contributors!
--Screensaver 21:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi. I had planned to write about History of Sweden, as soon as I brought Swedish literature to GA. But an urgent article came up so it will take some more days. You go ahead and start. I recommend the history books by Ingvar Andersson. They are called "History of Sweden" or similar and are available in both Swedish and English.
- Fred-Chess 16:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip. Ive got a bunch of books as well, but theres always good with some extra. Most of what Ive got is in Swedish as well, and that isnt so good, since "normal" people cant check facts from it. Nice that someone else in interested in editing the topic.
- I'm not very much of a "pure history" buff, but I plan to get the Military history of Sweden article up to FA status some time when I'm finished with all my ten thousand other plans... – Elisson • T • C • 17:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds nice. Im no good at Military history, so its nice that someone else is interested in the topic. We need all help that we can get... : - ) --Screensaver 17:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately I'm having a lot of problems with Talk:Early Swedish history. A user thinks I'm vandalizing the article. / Fred-Chess 22:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Bomässan Bo01 and Västra hamnen
Hello, I found these two articles on the Swedish Wikipedia sv:Bomässan Bo01, and sv:Västra hamnen. Do you think we should have articles about them on en:? Would anyone like to translate them? Regards, DVD R/W 23:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Why not? It is part of a major infrastructure reformation of Malmö, I've been there and even though half the place was a construction area I loved it. But I don't have any time to translate the articles right now, sorry. --Krm500 00:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Nordic / Scandinavian task force on WikiProject military history?
It has been proposed on WikiProject military history to set up an either Nordic or Scandinavian task force. If you are intrested in this topic, please comment on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Two_task_force_ideas. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Swedish history, kings
Are there any thought on how important the Swedish kings are? Is Swedish history "a history of its kings"?
I added a bunch of kings to the core article section on the project page. Any opinions on that?
How important are older kings such as Magnus the Strong?
Fred-Chess 14:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, the kings usually belong to a dynasty, and that dynasty is most often characterized by a certain politics, f.ex.:
- Bernadotte (current): peace, trade and development,
- Holstein-Gottorp (the Gustavians): autocracy, culture and royal mecenacy,
- Pfalz (palatine, the Karls): autocracy, consolidation, conquest.
- I think it's a fitting framework to describe various phases in Swedens history. Said: Rursus 07:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Two short articles to merge
I came across two articles about the same subject, Näsby Park and Näsbypark. After merging the content, the second article can be redirected to the first, as was done in the Swedish Wikipedia. Tim Shuba 08:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- I've merged the latter into the former, and copyedited it a little.... does it look alright? / Fred-Chess 17:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing the merge. I copyedited it some more. I would have performed the merge myself, but I thought someone in this project might pick up on things I could have missed, especially as I don't know Swedish. Tim Shuba 20:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Ace of Base article re-write
Just thought I would point out that I've re-written the Ace of Base article. It was a mess before ! Hopefully you like the new one. AcerBen 12:32, 15 February 2007 (GMT)
- It should be noted that in his edits, AcerBen alleged that the Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation were nazis and/or Sweden Democrats. :S Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 17:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- A little misunderstanding only, and I hope AcerBen can sort us out on this. / Fred-Chess 18:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes I have made a mistake due to lack of research and I apologise. AcerBen 19:58, 18 February 2007 (GMT)
Raoul Wallenberg
Raoul Wallenberg is up for a featured article. Please read the article and leave critical comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Raoul Wallenberg. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 14:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I gave some comments. I could have given them here too, dunno... basically I just think the articles needs more work before it reaches FA quality. Nice work so far though. / Fred-Chess 22:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I'd just like to mention I've begun some kind of a one-man wikiproject on our MPs: members of the Riksdag. See User:Jobjörn/Riksdagsledamöter and feel free to help out. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Gray content boxing
Why oh why is the project page GRAY? Why all that useless formating? How about NOT boxing the contents? May I change that? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 17:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yea, sure , no problem. / Fred-Chess 19:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Liked it better the previous way. --Krm500 00:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Me too. I especially loathe the long list of core articles. / Fred-Chess 16:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm going to put that into tables again, though. Wikitables, not HTML tables. Although, if I'm the only one preferring the white background... restore it and I won't argue. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 19:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The Emigrants
I created those pages a couple of months ago, put I haven't had the time to make them of decent quality. Anyone wanna help me and contribute to those articles? --The monkeyhate 12:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Film titles
In film titles, the foreign version often becomes the title of the article, so we are having a discussion in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films)#Capitalization in titles, trying to establish what is correct for each language. We would appreciate if you could drop us a line about it. Hoverfish Talk 21:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Featured pictures
I just want to point out that a featured picture on Commons is not the same as a featured picture on English Wikipedia.
- Image:Carta Marina.jpeg is a featured picture on English Wikipedia.
- Image:Linköping-tekniska verken.jpg is a featured picture on Commons.
I think the difference is mainly that Commons featured pictures have less focus on encyclopedic use.
Fred-Chess 09:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It looks like this article should be updated. I read that a congressman from Sweden presented a report asking for gay-marriage (or something like that). A.Z. 10:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Task force
There has been a small discussion on the Elitserien article talk page about starting up a task force within this project. Basically the idea to give users who focus on ice hockey in sweden, a place to discuss and collaborate our efforts. I don't know if there are any special procedures for doing this so I ask here; Is it ok to start create for example Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden/Ice hockey? --Krm500 23:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Go ahead. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think it sounds like a good idea. If Elisson is watching he could probably give further advice, with his experience in the WikiProject on football. / Fred-Chess 13:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Request help with Stor grabb
Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at Stor grabb? The article seems to be of dubious reliability and I'm very tempted to prod it. In any case, the article would need some context. (oh and a category too!) Thanks in advance for your help. Pascal.Tesson 00:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've slapped a db-nonsense tag on it. It's complete crap and it shouldn't stay even for five days. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 13:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- After searching the internet and looking the article on Swedish Wiki, it appears to be a valid article. Although I had never heard of it before. I'll add references. / Fred-Chess 15:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- ?? Somehow, I find these two comments hard to reconcile! Pascal.Tesson 16:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- After searching the internet and looking the article on Swedish Wiki, it appears to be a valid article. Although I had never heard of it before. I'll add references. / Fred-Chess 15:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Fred Chess is right. "Stor grabb" is a pretty well known award if you are interrested in Swedish sports and it deserves its own article. The award actually has an article in Nationalencyklopedin. – Elisson • T • C • 16:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hm. My judgment was all too hasty - Fred Chess and Elisson are right and I am wrong. My sincere apologies. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
A new project has been started for people interested in ancient and medieval Norse history and culture. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
An invitation to categorize uncategorized Sweden-related stubs
Hello. The categorization taskforce is trying to find WikiProjects interested in using the bot of Alai to identify Sweden-related stub articles which do not currently have a category (besides the stub category of course). If the project is interested, we could create something like Category:Uncategorized Sweden-related stubs (amounting to roughly 200 articles) which could then be categorized by people knowledgeable in the subject, thus reducing the risk of improper categorization. Please let us know on the taskforce's talk page if you're interested. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 00:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Swedish coat of arms
The coat of arms that have been used for a while are starting to be deleted, because of stricter interpretation of copyrights. Some users on Sw. Wikipedia have started to make their own coat of arms in svg format. If you are interested in helping out, you can check commons:Category:Coats of arms of Sweden. There are quite good suggestions at sv:Wikipedia:Projekt svensk heraldik. / Fred-Chess 09:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Currently under AFD. I'm not entirely sure of her notability, but could someone check out the article. Tearlach 02:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- She is mostly known as a fashion blogger and fashion columnist in Swedish tabloids,but I fail to see how she´s relevant in a larger context.I can´t say that I know whether she´s known at all outside Sweden(I sincerely doubt it) ,but I doubt that it´s motivated to have an article on her in the english version Wiki.There are far more significant people that deserves a biography.//Cecilia Löwen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.34.252 (talk) 16:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Featured article candidate
Melodifestivalen is a featured article candidate. Comments much appreciated here. Thanks. Chwech | hum-dee-hum-hum 11:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
AfD - Lunds ASK
Editors might wish to be aware of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lunds ASK (2nd nomination). BlueValour 23:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Advice needed on kings names!!
Many kings before "Gustav I of Sweden" (properly known as Gustav Vasa) are badly named. F.ex. the guy that every one know as king Magnus Eriksson (of Sweden) is erroneously called Magnus IV of Sweden, which is very improper (image a slight tone of hysteria here!), since the numbering accounts a guy Magnus Henriksen, a Danish lord that killed (Saint) Eric Jerdvardsson, dad to Canute I Eriksson. Now the numbering of the Swedish kings Charlses, Erics and Magnuses must be removed, since they're nonstandard.
But I need some advice on the names of kings:
- is Canute I Eriksson really acceptable, or should it be
- Knut I Eriksson, or (horrors)
- Canute I Son of Eric??
I cannot decide without some qualified arguments and thinkings. (Or behold Rutabaga Kings!) Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 18:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Knut is the correct common swedish version of the name,Canute is never used.//Cecilia Löwen
Controversial rename proposal, give your opinion!
Eric of Good Harvests should be moved to Eirik Arsale or possibly Erik Årsäll! Or not!! Discuss! Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 19:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion
Why not create an article of Amalia Lindegren (1814-1891), whom was the most notable female painter in Sweden in the Victorian era, and of Lisa Söderman-Lillström or Margareta Maria Fabritz, perhaps the first native actresses in Sweden in the 18th century?--85.226.235.144 11:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Disambiguation of Swedish
Hello, everyone! I try to keep Swedish, which is a disambiguation page, clear of incoming links. (Dab pages should not be linked to because the links are not very useful to a reader; it's better to link directly to the article for the intended sense of an ambiguous word.) Of the eight pages I continually watch, Swedish is by a wide margin the one that grows incoming links (a.k.a. "shrooms") the fastest -- which is strange considering that one of my other pages is English! (I'm looking at it right now, and it's grown about 140 shrooms in the approximately two months since I last dabbed everything.) I'm posting here to ask those of you who participate in the project to please pipe your links to Swedish when you create them. (Examples: [[Swedish language|Swedish]], [[Sweden|Swedish]].) Thanks! --Tkynerd 03:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Requested move for Nobel Prize in Economics
There is currently a survey to rename Nobel Prize in Economics → Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. Your comments in this matter would be appreciated. The RM discussion will close on approximately 4 October 2007. –panda 02:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Citations and ISBNs
The article Norrbro and some 40 other pages[1] cite Stockholms tekniska historia (1985) with a bad ISBN 91-37-08725-1 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum. The correct one should be ISBN 91-38-08725-1. I could go through and correct the ISBN, but perhaps something else needs to be checked as well? Is this a good book and edition to cite? How do you typically handle errors of this kind in this WikiProject? Do you maintain a list of standard literature, and would this book be on that list? After all, it's cited in 40 articles. --LA2 08:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- ^ Geography of Stockholm (where the bad ISBN is mentioned twice), Bonde Palace, Centralbron, Lidingöbron, Västerbron, Norrbro, Stallbron, Riksbron, Vasabron, Riddarholmsbron, Strömbron, Skeppsholmsbron, Stadshusbron, Klarabergsviadukten, Kungsbron, Barnhusbron, Sankt Eriksbron, Ekelundsbron, Djurgårdsbron, Djurgårdsbrunnsbron, Mariebergsbron, Essingebron, Långholmsbron, Pålsundsbron, Malmskillnadsbron, Bridge of Regeringsgatan, Ålkistan, Danviksbron, Skansbron, Skanstullsbron, Johanneshovsbron, Årstabroarna, Liljeholmsbron, Tranebergsbron, Fredhällsbron, Gröndalsbron, Solnabron, Huvudstabron, Sickla kanalbro, Riddarhustorget, Karl Johans Torg, Riddarhusgränd, List of bridges in Stockholm
It was user:Mats Halldin who wrote those articles, so one should ask him. I have no idea. / Fred-J 15:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Mats' userpage says he is "inactive". I came here with this question, as I'm trying to review all ISBNs and literature citations. However, I'm also Swedish, and I have met Mats, who is/was a leading Swedish wikipedian. I'll try to address the issue from a slightly different perspective: The following Swedish ISBNs (91-) are the most frequenly mentioned in the English Wikipedia. Please help me to comment on their quality. Which are good sources that we should cite, and which should be replaced? --LA2 07:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Cited in football articles
Cited in Stockholm articles
- I created a new template:Ref Stockholm for these. --LA2 10:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Table moved to template talk:Ref Stockholm. --LA2 10:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Cited in military history articles
Cited in articles on Norse history and culture and early Swedish history
Cited in articles on various topics
Suggested move Prehistoric Sweden -> Nordic Prehistory
A move I think it fully reasonable. Please comment at Talk:Prehistoric Sweden. / Fred-J 11:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, it was moved to Scandinavian prehistory. I wrote a lead for it. In case anyone happens to be interested in early Swedish (Scandinavian) history or has appropriate sources, feel free to help out. / Fred-J 07:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
History articles improvement
Many of the core articles in history are in need of improvement. I had a go at Early Vasa era and Early Swedish history (with some help), but most other history articles are little more than dumps from 1911 Encyc. Brit. They have gotten rough headers, copyedit and images, but it is a long way to go.
- Rise of Sweden as a Great Power
- Swedish Empire
- Age of Liberty
- Enlightened Absolute Monarchy in Sweden
and also most articles about kings:
- Charles XIV John of Sweden
- I rewrote Gustav Vasa but every other articles of kings between 1400-1900 need to be checked...
The articles are rather factually accurate, and the language is not bad. But the 1911 Enc. Brit. language is bulky and often contains evaulations of events that isn't suitable for Wikipedia. (such as "Unfortunately the extravagance of Gustavus Adolphus's two immediate successors, Christina and Charles X, caused great difficulties for the new empire.", from Swedish Empire)
The articles are badly structured in how the headers often don't match the text.
Finally, the articles need proper references. EB1911 is not all bad and large part of the article can use it as a reference, but of course inline and not just as a note at the bottom. Other references that can be used are Swedish Wikipedia (if they have inline references), nordisk familjebok, and of course printed books. I suggest works by Michael Roberts (historian), because they were written in English and were often also translated to Swedish.
Fred-J 09:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Swedish Speaker Needed
Can I get some feedback on this site as a reliable source? Thanks, WilyD 17:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Aftonbladet is, in general, reliable. Also try asking :Liftarn about this, since this is apparently an issue that he's involved with. –panda 17:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia Aftonbladet is "the largest daily newspaper in Scandinavia". I also added a ref for Expressen that broke the story. // Liftarn
- Aftonbladet is a somewhat sensationalistic tabloid, but I would still qualify it as a reliable source. It is indeed one of the largest daily newspapers in Sweden. henrik•talk 17:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- And I added two English language sources. // Liftarn
- Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) and Dagens Nyheter (DN) are probably more reliable. Robert Greer 00:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Is Långrocken real or a hoax? I couldn't find any sources but I only have access to online sources about Sweden. The article claims Långrocken is mentioned in the autobiography of Ture Nerman. Can anybody check that? I find this suspicious: "As many as 18 undercover policemen, dressed in women’s clothes, patrolled the city in their attempts to trap the killer." PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, this article was a wreck. I didn't have much time, but I tried to make some fairly radical changes to bring it back to a decent state, after a series of edits by Attila Lajos (who wrote his PhD thesis on Wallenberg [5]) that gave the article a rather non-neutral point of view. I hope that by posting here I can draw some attention to it so that someone might be able to give it the time it deserves. –Joke 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Swedish language improvement
There has been a drive initiated by panda to improve the old FA Swedish language, but the process has hit a few snags due to misunderstanding and the occasional personal issues between users. I think outside comments by users with interest and knowledge of the topic might make the process flow somewhat smoother.
Peter Isotalo 11:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Swedish language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. –panda (talk) 03:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Swedish Royalty names
I need help Project members. What's the proper name for the Swedish royal articles? Is it Gustav or Gustaf, Adolf or Adolph, Charles or Carl. Quite a few of the Swedish royalty articles have both in their content. GoodDay (talk) 01:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- It depends on who it is and the reference you look at. However, Charles is the Anglicized version of Carl. If you have specific articles in mind, please list them so that it will be easier to help you. –panda (talk) 02:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The following articles: Gustavus II Adolphus of Sweden, Gustav III, Gustav IV, Gustav V, Gustav VI, Carl XVI and Prince Gustav Adolf (King Carl's father). GoodDay (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- It seems to me that all of the articles have the "correct" title. Regarding Gustavus (II) Adolphus, the article has the Latin name as he has become known as such in the English speaking world. The other are the standard Swedish names as neither of them have become very known in English under another name. Regarding Gustav or Gustaf, IIRC, the -f is used while the king is alive but is changed to -v when he dies. Don't ask me why though. – Elisson • T • C • 18:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- An old tradition was to use C and F forms for living kings and K and V for those that were dead. Thus, they were known as Carl XII and Gustaf II while alive, but Karl XII and Gustav II after their death. I have no idea how this practice started, or why, but in general it seems that 200 (and perhaps already 150 ) years ago Swedish "commoners" would use different spellings for their own names, as long as they were pronounced the same way.
Here comes the twist: Gustaf VI Adolf, the present king's grandfather, apparently disliked the practice, and told the present king when he was a crown prince that he would like it discontinued. His wish was followed by the new king and the court. Therefore, 33.5 years old, he is still known as Gustaf VI Adolf, as can be seen by se:Gustaf VI Adolf and the article Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden therefore uses a name form that has never been in use in Sweden. My source is an interview with the king some years ago, so I don't have a reference handy, much less in English, but that's the confusing way it is. Tomas e (talk) 13:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- An old tradition was to use C and F forms for living kings and K and V for those that were dead. Thus, they were known as Carl XII and Gustaf II while alive, but Karl XII and Gustav II after their death. I have no idea how this practice started, or why, but in general it seems that 200 (and perhaps already 150 ) years ago Swedish "commoners" would use different spellings for their own names, as long as they were pronounced the same way.
OK, but it sure would be easier if they were all consistant (title and context). Thanks for the clarifications. GoodDay (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This historical figure is currently up for deletion. If someone could search for any references to her in Swedish and add them to the article and deletion debate that might help keep her on Wikipedia. Nick mallory (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have a suspicion that this article is a hoax, but I know little of Swedish/Norwegian history. Any clarification welcome. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Sweden Portal
Hi everyone, just to let you know I've been updating the Sweden Portal to include randomised content. If anyone wants to help that would be great. I've also adapted a WikiProject logo for the portal, but feel free to use it here if you wish. Many thanks, Seaserpent85 16:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
afd
It would be appreciated if someone could take a look at this AfD. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Help wanted with vandal
Hi there. I know this is not part of the WikiProject scope, but we need help from someone in Sweden (to contact the local police or give us insight about how to do it). More details here. Thanks in advance. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey dude, did you file a WP:ABUSE on that sick perv . That might work the gears of justice on that guy. Drop me a line if that helped out dude. Rio de oro (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Name help
I recently wrote an article on Carl Frederik von Breda, a Swedish painter. My question is that I have seen many different versions of his name and was wondering if there was an official version of his name to use? I will move the article to the correct name if needed, and make redirects for the other versions?
I used this name as it is used by the National Portrait Gallery (United Kingdom), but have also seen "Carl Fredrik von Breda" (National Gallery of Art and Finnish National Gallery), and the Swedish Wikipedia has him as sv:Carl Fredric von Breda. I have also seen various other spellings on the web.
Thanks in advance for any help with this question, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I strolled across these pages and found some stuff written by Mic, who is listed as missing. Unfortunately, these pages are written from a highly partisan position (anti-Hats to a fault) and lack any citations. As Mic is gone and not available to ask to fix it, I refer this to Wikiproject Sweden: can someone here who knows more on the subject help provide citations and NPOV the articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramidel (talk • contribs) 03:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Swedish food laws
Hi all, I found an interesting note on a email list about Gyromitra esculenta, [6] which was alledgedly made illegal to sell in 1994, but I can't find any other ref apart from this one. Can anyone who speaks swedish find an official government reference for it, as I woud love to reference it on the article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Here [7] is a note from Swedish National Food Administration which basically says it is not fit for human consumption and they discourage its use. It doesn't say it is illegal though. henrik•talk 16:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wow thanks for that. Any idea what Stenmurkla literally means? (I'd love to add that with a ref) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- [Here] is another note, also from Swedish National Food Administration, on how to avoid being poisoned by the fungi and why only restaurants are allowed to purchase the fungi. Philaweb T 22:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- "Sten" is simply stone, and "murkla" is a type of mushrooms, probably morel. henrik•talk 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Cool, hate to be picky, can you give me a swedish dictionary as a ref? (Everything has to be reffed these days..) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) thx Philaweb, that was the sort of info I was looking for. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Swedish language (again)
Disputes over contents in Swedish language don't appear to be approaching any reasonable consensus, and the discussion is pretty much in a stalemate with accusations of personal attacks. The discussion could really use input from other editors. Please see talk:Swedish language#Strindberg for the current discussion.
Peter Isotalo 13:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Eva & Adam (Swedish TV)
I've added a page about the Swedish drama Eva and Adam, it was showed between 1999 and 2001. Don't know if it's really what you are looking for here, but it's a part of Swedish culture. Adam-Kieslowski (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Swedish speakers?
Hey I posted this on the aricle about Sweden, and then realized it would be better here I guess. Anyone who can read Swedish out there? Or do you know how to find someone? The article Nils Peter Hamberg needs someone to translate the information provided at this link [8] It would help a lot! Tack! ;-) Nesnad (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- There is also a Sv:Nils_Peter_Hamberg which could be used. /Lokal_Profil 16:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The unquestionaby notable drug policy...
Note that new article has been made by dala11a: Drug policy of Sweden. Also notice the major changes that have been made to the Nils Bejerot article in recent months, as they are relevant to "Sweden". Steinberger (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Evolution of Swedish hip hop
Would be very appreciated if some linguistically talented people from here could look over Swedish hip hop, maybe do some copy-editing, improve the language and make sure the article corresponds with Wikipedia's manual of style. Thank you! --InfiniteMIII (talk) 08:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Stockholm building
Does anyone know what this building is? The captions says it's the Royal Swedish Opera, but it doesn't look like the building. I'd like to write an article on whatever it might be (if it's notable). Thanks. APK yada yada 15:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Stockholm Opera House is white. This building (assuming you are referring to the red brick building with the green roof) is one of Stockholm's numerous churches. I'm not sure which one, but I don't think it's one of the more notable ones. Anyway, the Opera House looks like this. Wilhelm meis (talk) 06:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- No, that is the Royal Dramatic Theatre, not the Opera House. --Hegvald (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- Saint James's church Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 09:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I already replied on User:AgnosticPreachersKid's talk page here. I should probably have noted that here as well, to save other people the trouble. Just an additional point from my reply in addition to what has been said above: a part of the Opera House (which is mainly brown) is seen in the foreground to the left of the picture; the caption at Flickr is just a tad misleading. This seems often to be the case with pictures on the net taken and uploaded by tourists with only superficial knowledge of the places they've visited. --Hegvald (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
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Articles flagged for cleanup
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Sander's Edda
Anyone good with late 19th century Swedish art? Does someone recognize the artists of any of the images still unidentified in User:Haukurth/Sander's Edda? Haukur (talk) 14:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Hjalmar Sunden
The Swedish psychologist Hjalmar Sunden has an entry in the Swedish Wikipedia, but not the English one. I shall be grateful if any one who could speak Swedish and who knows about Sunden's work could start an article on Sunden in the English Wikipedia. Many thanks. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
GA Sweeps Review Skåneland
Skåneland, an article tagged by this project, has been placed on hold following a GA Sweeps Review. The review can be found here. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Hundred, Court District and Parish
There are lots of articles about Court Districts, Parishes and Hundreds in Sweden. They where created in 2004 and almost nothing has been added to them since then. They are all stubs and many of them have Notability-templates.
Are they notable enough? I think we can redirect them to the existing localities/municipalities, and maybe merge the info into these articles. If anyone want to expand any of them they can easily revert the redirect. Thoughts? --Skizzik talk 16:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well I just think these articles are almost totally unimportant anyways...
- Fred-J 18:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Unimportant to keep or to care about? Anyway, now I have redirect most of the Parishes, do you think I should continue whit this? Or is there anyone else who objects this? --Skizzik talk 20:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Would you mind if I restored the dioceses?
- Fred-J 09:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Diocese of Gothenburg was the only diocese I redirected. I wasn't sure if they should stay or not. So if you think they should, feel free to revert that edit. --Skizzik talk 10:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, OK, I had that article on my watchlist. They ought to stay... :-)
- Fred-J 11:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- I strongly object to this, parishes are certainly worthy of an article, just as much as the provinces. There was no good reason to revert articles such as [Offerdal, Anundsjö etc. //Heimvennar - divider 12:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- By all means, keep any article that has some substantial information. / Fred-J 18:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- I strongly object to this, parishes are certainly worthy of an article, just as much as the provinces. There was no good reason to revert articles such as [Offerdal, Anundsjö etc. //Heimvennar - divider 12:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As the text above ("If anyone want to expand any of them they can easily revert the redirect") indicates, my intention was to keep those few articles with some substance in it, but obviously I did the job to fast and redirected some of them too! Sorry for that! At least three of them has been reverted now, maybe there are a few more to fix.
However, do you think the other parishes should be reverted as well? I don't know if they are notable enough or not. I just thought it was meaningless to keep articles like [9] and ~95% of the others. They had almost no text, haven't been expanded at all since the creation in 2004 and many of them had notabilitytemplates (I'm not just talking about the parishes then). If you think we should keep them, feel free to revert them. --Skizzik talk 19:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- The articles should be kept because they link to articles in the Swedish and Norwegian version, and now those links in the Swedish and Norwegian wikipedia link to articles that no longer help the user translate into English. In many cases the articles in Swedish are longer. In the English wikipedia geographic subdivisions are considered "inherently notable". --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Nordbild the Nordic image database
Hello, I just wanted to let you know about Nordbild the Nordic image database. The images there can be used freely provided you quote the source so it's perfect to upload on Wikimedia Commons. If you are active on the other Nordic Wikipedias feel free to post this information there.--Jóhann Heiðar Árnason (talk) 07:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Sweden
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I replaced it with a new list, it would be great if someone could go over it and see if there are any links going to disambigs or got comments to the list. Røed (talk · no) 21:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Looks really good, but I don't understand why you have used so many piped link when they don't have to be? Also I think we should use official name of the municipalities, XXX Stad or kommun and etc. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 02:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- For the first, I used a spreadsheet to make the table, so it was easiest to make it on all (even where they where equal), the second one was to prevent the table getting to wide. Røed (talk · no) 02:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- Ok. If you update the populations numbers and write a good lead/history section I think the list could be nominated as a featured list. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 03:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- Also since this list includes all the information the other separated list includes except for wealth, they can be redirected to this list. Do you think you could incorporate wealth to the list so that one can be redirected as well? —Krm500 (Communicate!) 03:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- I've done quite some changes on the table since I converted it from the spreadsheet, so it would have to be done manually. And to be honest, wealth is not the first one I would add if something should be added. Then I rather would have added the mayor (and party) (which I did in the Norwegian version). If you look on equal lists, these are some of the most common fatures listed. The population is from 31th of Desember 2007 and should be sufficent (update on a yearly basis).
- I tried to make an intro, but it's difficult to keep a balance between the list article, and the main article with the history of local goverment. I encurage other to make a try on the intro, and merging the lists was one of the purposes of making the list. Røed (talk · no) 04:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking about maybe merging the main article with the list, but that might be a stretch. I agree about wealth, it's just trivial. Adding mayors could become a problem during a flc due to all the red links. --—Krm500 (Communicate!) 05:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nice job with the list. Makes you realize how much work people have put into creating professionally looking maps and coat of arms compared to when I started writing about the municipalities in 2005. There's just a few coat of arms that have yet to be created.
- Fred-J 06:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I nominated the list, the only thing I fear could be an issue is the municipalities missing CoA (atm. 14) due to copyright issues. Do anyone know how it is to upload them locally here? (I'm not that mutch into the local en: image rules. Røed (talk · no) 16:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
- You should not upload copyrighted coat of arms. The coat of arms are missing because no-one has created them yet.
- Fred-J 19:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Suggested merge of Facit and Facit catalog
There is a suggested merge of these two articles. Discussion at Talk:Facit.
Fred-J 13:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Nordic cinema task force
A Nordic cinema task force has been proposed at WP:FILMS, which would include the cinema of Sweden. Interested editors are encouraged to sign up - if there is enough interest, then the task force will be created! Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
English copyeditor available ?
I'm planning to focus on articles related to Swedish history and persons, trying to get them to GA status at least. I'd need someone to copyedit them, who is a native or close to native English speaker. If you are interested, just drop a note. I'll let you know when I have an article that needs you. / Fred-J 16:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't have that much experience with copy editing and reviewing but I'm willing to help. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 17:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to do what I can. Just drop me a line. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks to both of you.
- I can usually get the spelling and grammar right, but getting the general flow right is worse, and that's why a native English speaker is important.
- Fred-J 16:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
ETC magazine
How should ETC [www.etc.se] be used in articles? I can hardly find any info on the magazine, but it seems to be a partisan publication of the socialist left in Sweden. Troopedagain (talk) 21:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Its FAQ says "ETC är en radikal, mediekritisk, feministisk, socialistisk tidning." [10]
- It should be used with caution.
- Fred-J 21:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- All sources should be used with caution. On the top of my head, I come to think about one newspaper I often cite that isn't exactly the oracle of objectivity and NPOV-ness: Dagens Nyheter, which is "liberal".[11] Plrk (talk) 21:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- If I may make a suggestion, while I think we all agree that neutral, reliable sources are ideal, they are quite rare indeed (even the neutrality of the Oxford English Dictionary has occasionally been impeached). Another way to maintain overall NPOV is to counter one source with another, such as following a quote from a leftist magazine with a quote from a right-wing source. One must still use caution with this technique, however, as some sources may be "more radical" than others. I think it also helps to acknowledge bias in the source's introduction as well, such as:
This decision, according to the socialist publication ETC, "was an insult to the office of the Prime Minister."(ref) The liberal conservative newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, however, defended the Riksdag, saying "this was the most important issue before the Riksdag this year, and they responded decisively."(ref)
- As a general rule, tread lightly and steer clear of bizarre claims. I hope that helps. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 17:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Extreme points of Sweden is a Featured List Candidate
I have nominated Extreme points of Sweden for FL. Please leave comments here. Cheers, --TheLeftorium 15:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
This page badly needs more content/sources. Though it looks notable from the rough translation of the sources I have been able to see I am persuadable either way by Swedish-speaking editors who can form a better overview. TerriersFan (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello, List of Sweden international footballers is up at WP:Featured list removal candidates to improve the article to meet current Featured List standards. Reviewers' concerns are here. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 02:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Henrik Larsson under GA review
Hello there, the article Henrik Larsson, which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Red-green alliance (Sweden) - WP:DYK?
I notice that you have a wonderful 'New article' bot gathering up archives automatically, but I just thought that you may appreciate advance notice, as I feel that this is a high importance topic for your WikiProject. I have just started:
It would be lovely to get it up to speed, and consider getting it on the front page soon, via WP:DYK. Tack ska ni ha. --Mais oui! (talk) 09:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Free 100-year-old Sweden photos
These could be useful for various WP articles. See [12]. Badagnani (talk) 22:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Gladiators
I was wondering if someone could translate sv:Gladiatorerna (TV-program) into an English language Wikipedia entry? (Gladiatorerna) So that we can have more complete coverage of Gladiators (television franchise). 76.66.198.171 (talk) 23:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
List of Nobel Peace Prize Laureates
User:AdjustShift has nominated List of Nobel Peace Prize Laureates for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Speakers of Swedish
I noticed that there's no really reliable figure for the number of speakers Swedish in Swedish language. I've started a thread over at Talk:Swedish language#Number of speakers in an attempt to address the issue. If you have suggestions or just want to chime in, please join the discussion.
Peter Isotalo 14:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Just started this stub (to get rid of a redlink), but don't speak any Swedish; I just added what I could understand from the corresponding article on sv-wiki (which in turn is pretty much copied from OWL, I think). Anyone who speaks Swedish and is interested in translating some of the sv article is welcome to jump in! rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Historical counties and naming conventions
I just noticed a pair of duplicate articles on a historical county, County of Närke and Värmland and Närke and Värmland County. Converting one of them into a redirect to the other would of course be easy. However, when I checked articles of other Swedish counties for naming conventions, I was struck by the fact that all currently existing counties in Category:Counties of Sweden are named "... County", while almost all entries in Category:Former counties of Sweden are named "County of ...". Surely the naming convention should be the same for both sets of counties? So it seems a number of articles need to be renamed. I just wanted to check if "... County" is widely accepted? Tomas e (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Deletions and dansbands
A page which you could have on your watchlist is Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sweden. While an article doesn't become more notable because it's Sweden-related, and the standards should be just the same for this kind of articles, I believe it is not that uncommon that once in a while, some editors show a limited understanding of subjects related to the part of the world where English is not the native language. In my mind, the deletion listing for Anders Engbergs and the comment my "vote" got at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anders Engbergs is an illustration in point. Don't care about the subject, that it has several links to it, that it is part of the "timeline" of several other artists with enwiki article, and that its deletion would create a "hole in the net" - if it was deleted in 2007 it should be deleted again no matter what. Chime in to agree, disagree. Tomas e (talk) 12:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Is the article Daniel, Duke of Västergötland at the right place? He hasn't married the Princess, and he hasn't been given a title. The article should be at his given name until such time as he is officially given the title. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed, the title would come from his marriage to the Duchess of Västergötland. Thus he is Daniel Westling and nothing else until then. Tomas e (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I think Kiruna should be High importance, not Medium. It belongs to the core 250 articles and is not "just an arctic town", it's quite special. BTW, I'm going to make it FA. Will take a while. Thanks. --Gerrit CUTEDH 18:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- As I've been busying myself with assessment within this project during the last couple of weeks, I'd like to point out that currently, most medium-sized cities and municipalities of Sweden are Mid-class. Sure, there are many cases of "should this be high or mid" and "should this be mid or low", but Kiruna is after all only the 107th most populous municipality, so "High" is not an obvious assessment to me. Tomas e (talk) 18:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- In Kiruna's defense though, it is more than just a medium-sized municipality - it is the centre of the Swedish mining industry, the world's largest city, etc. Gerritholl, note that the importance ratings are not set in stone and not that important - if you wish, you can change it, it doesn't really matter as it is only one article. Plrk (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Since the city/town and municipality are split in two articles, it's Kiruna Municipality rather than Kiruna which is the largest (in terms of surface) in Sweden, due to the absence of other towns nearby. Although I've heard the claim about "largest in the world", I'm not sure if I think it very credible; there should be municipalities (or corresponding administrative divisions) in Siberia, northern Canada or on Greenland which cover huge uninhabited areas. But irrespective of which, I hope Gerritholl continues to improve the article's quality irrespective of its exact assessment for importance! Tomas e (talk) 09:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- The larges municipality in the world is Qaasuitsup in Greenland, and before the new structure of Greenland, it was Mount Isa in Australia, double the size of Kiruna Municipality. It's still huge though. /Grillo (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- Since the city/town and municipality are split in two articles, it's Kiruna Municipality rather than Kiruna which is the largest (in terms of surface) in Sweden, due to the absence of other towns nearby. Although I've heard the claim about "largest in the world", I'm not sure if I think it very credible; there should be municipalities (or corresponding administrative divisions) in Siberia, northern Canada or on Greenland which cover huge uninhabited areas. But irrespective of which, I hope Gerritholl continues to improve the article's quality irrespective of its exact assessment for importance! Tomas e (talk) 09:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- In Kiruna's defense though, it is more than just a medium-sized municipality - it is the centre of the Swedish mining industry, the world's largest city, etc. Gerritholl, note that the importance ratings are not set in stone and not that important - if you wish, you can change it, it doesn't really matter as it is only one article. Plrk (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Tomas e (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
First woman in the Swedish academy
I am interested know who was the frist woman in the Royal Swedish Academy of Arts. Perhaps someone from Sweden can answer this question?--85.226.44.201 (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming that sv:Lista över ledamöter i Konstakademien is complete it would be sv:Ingegerd Möller in 1967. /Lokal_Profil 03:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Supported by [13]. On the other hand that starts in 1961 which sounds a bit late so there might have been someone earlier. /Lokal_Profil 03:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- A better suggestion would be Ulla Adlerfelt. /Lokal_Profil 03:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Supported by [13]. On the other hand that starts in 1961 which sounds a bit late so there might have been someone earlier. /Lokal_Profil 03:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- The article does not say which year Ulla Adlerfelt was elected, but she died in 1765 so she must have been elected before Ulrika Pasch in 1773. When was Adlerfelt elected? Or perhaps Charlotta Cedercreutz? But it does not say when she was elected either. When was this? --85.226.44.201 (talk) 11:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Something seems odd. Most sources seem to say Ulrika Pasch, but Ulla Adlerfelt and Charlotta Cedercreutz are mentioned as members without joining years. There might be a difference between ordinary membership and honorary membership but that's just a guess on my part. I recommend you send a e-mail to the Academy asking them (explicitly mention Adlerfelt and Cedercreutz) I'd recommend one of the librarians (bibliotekarie) on [14]. /Lokal_Profil 15:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps Ulrika Pasch is mentioned as the first woman, because she was the first professional female artist elected? Adlerfelt and Cedercreutz were noblewomen, and thereby, I assume, not proffersional artists, but dilettantes, even if they were ordinary members. Perhaps this is it? Anywhay; wether they were ordinary or honorary members, they years should still be mentioned for them. --85.226.44.201 (talk) 15:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Swedish criminal network Fucked For Life
Fucked For Life, an article about a Swedish criminal network is currently discussed for deletion. Swedish editors might take a look at the sources and check if they meet WP:RS and back the statements in the article. Maybe there's even more sources out there. Aditionally, the article is not yet tagged for your project. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 01:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting us know. In a sense a sad fact, but I do think they're notable. We're still in the process of tagging existing Sweden-related articles, and I estimate that we have tagged less than half of those we could tag. We list 6,848 articles compared to WPNorway's 15,351 - although Norway has a smaller population.) Tomas e (talk) 12:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
File:Coat of Arms of Sweden.svg and other coats of arm in breach of guidelines
File:Coat of Arms of Sweden.svg,File:Stockholm_vapen.svg,File:Stockholm_län_vapen.svg and the other made up coats of arms are in breach of WP:OR and WP:MOSICON#Inventing_new_icons. The correct coats of arms should be uploaded and used as Fair use Gnevin (talk) 09:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Could you expand on this opinion? I haven't checked the source text, but don't they follow the heraldric description of these coat of arms? I know there are some svwiki contributors which are quite interested in heraldry, and they have likely uploaded these to Commons. Tomas e (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Some orginals [15] [16] [17] . The aboveare just poor knock off's . Why use this as the "coat of arms" when the original and correct ones can be used under fair use Gnevin (talk) 09:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why have unfree "fair use" images, when free correct coats of arms are available? --Boivie (talk) 10:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- How are they correct and not WP:OR if they are different to the official COA's? Gnevin (talk) 10:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- A tip: read blazon for a starter! Tomas e (talk) 10:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm aware heraldry can be described, but I can also describe a long, narrow country in the north of Europe surrounded by two other long,narrow land masses but no one would draw a map based on my description if their are actuate maps around that they can use Gnevin (talk) 11:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- So in essence, you're saying that you don't understand the difference between a map and a coat of arms? Then I think you have very little to contribute to a discussion on which coats of arms are proper. Tomas e (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm aware heraldry can be described, but I can also describe a long, narrow country in the north of Europe surrounded by two other long,narrow land masses but no one would draw a map based on my description if their are actuate maps around that they can use Gnevin (talk) 11:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- A tip: read blazon for a starter! Tomas e (talk) 10:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- How are they correct and not WP:OR if they are different to the official COA's? Gnevin (talk) 10:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why have unfree "fair use" images, when free correct coats of arms are available? --Boivie (talk) 10:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Some orginals [15] [16] [17] . The aboveare just poor knock off's . Why use this as the "coat of arms" when the original and correct ones can be used under fair use Gnevin (talk) 09:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
The legal definition of these coats of arm is given in text, and this text (as all Swedish law) is exempt from copyright (i.e. in the public domain). Various graphic renderings have been used over the centuries, each covered by copyright. The rendering currently used by each municipality or government agency is copyrighted and not possible to use on the Swedish Wikipedia or in Wikimedia Commons. Therefore, wikipedian artists have made their own renderings as SVG (scalable vector graphics) and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. These are not "original research", since they are faithful renderings based on the legal definition given in text. Technical illustrations like this one are also SVG illustrations by wikipedian artists, and still not original research. You might get away with "fair use" on the English Wikipedia, but this seems rather pointless. --LA2 (talk) 11:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you, Gnevin, that it would be better to use exact replicas of the originals. However, there is no concept of fair use in Swedish copyright law, unfortunately. At the same time, many texts and images that are produced by the Swedish government are automatically in the public domain. With heraldry such as this, the law is unclear (to me at least). In any case, any attempt to upload the correct coats of arms results in the images being erased for copyright reasons. The best alternative seems to be to just produce better (but not exact copies) heraldry.
- What do you think of this
version of the Lesser Coat of Arms, for instance? Koyos (talk) 12:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, some of these renderings are less successful than others and should be improved if someone can. Often they are cut and paste works where for example a cow plus paste-in antlers equals an elk (
) and so on. Can that really be considered a faithful rendering? In my opinion that's not an elk at all and thus it is not a rendering of the described coat of arms but of something else. Njaelkies Lea (talk) 16:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, some of these renderings are less successful than others and should be improved if someone can. Often they are cut and paste works where for example a cow plus paste-in antlers equals an elk (
If these coat of arms are "in breach" of any guidelines, I say this is perfect opportunity to WP:IAR. Plrk (talk) 17:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- WP:OR is policy not a guideline and you need a very good reason to IAR Gnevin (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- Quit using WP:OR in this discussion, they coa's available here were made after the description in the blazon. If you don't think they are up to standards make better ones your self. Regards. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 22:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think wiki should be inventing poor replicates of images and icons when we can use the actual image Gnevin (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- 1) We can't use the "actual image", because it's copyrighted. I know enwp has made the illogical decision to allow fair use images (even though no one seems to know how the law is applied), but not the majority of the projects, including commons and svwp. 2) The images may be poor, but they aren't invented and they aren't replicas. This is something you should know by know if you had actually read any of the arguments or the links given to you. 3) The "actual image" is just one version of the blazon, one version the municipalities usually have chosen as some kind of "official representation" and thus trademarked. Some municipalities don't even use the coat of arms at all, see Karlstad Municipality. They still have one defined by law though.
- Although it would be nice to use the same coat of arms versions and/or logotypes as all municipalities (or even companies and so on), it's simply not possible if we want to keep making a free as in speech (and not only free as in beer) encyclopedia. /Grillo (talk) 00:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- And by the way, this discussion arises on svwp from time to time. The first time was on sv:Talk:Lerums kommun, which resulted in this article in one of the most respected newspapers of Sweden. The article translates: "Wikipedia uses a picture of the coat of arms of Lerum which has caused some anger in the municipality. "It feels like a bastardization of our coat of arms. We're not happy with the 'angry bull' they have uploaded", they write in an email to state heraldist Henrik Klackenberg. Klackenberg however don't want to pay attention to the angered Lerum inhabitant and says that Wikipedia is correct. "A coat of arms is determined and registered as a description in text and thus there are as many correct renditions of the coat of arms as there are artists, as long as the description in text is followed", he writes in his answer to the municipality." The article then ends with "The difference between Lerum's and Wikipedia's versions are clearly visible. What lies behind: malice or inability?" And yes, we are unable to use Lerum's own version. /Grillo (talk) 00:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think wiki should be inventing poor replicates of images and icons when we can use the actual image Gnevin (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- Quit using WP:OR in this discussion, they coa's available here were made after the description in the blazon. If you don't think they are up to standards make better ones your self. Regards. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 22:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
A problem with these COA versions is that these images are not recognized by most readers. The File:Stockholm_vapen.svg is not at all like the official one used by City of Stockholm, and it is rather pointless to have that image at the top of the article. A COA is used as a logo by many municipalities and authorities, and it would be more useful for the reader to see the "official" COA rather than an home-made image that nobody recogize. There is no problem uploading the official COA under the "Fair use policy" and use them in articles. And I think we should, at least for those that differ much from the official versions. (The word official in this post should be interpretated as the version of COA currently used by the municipality/authority). --Kildor (talk) 22:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- Though you can not claim fair use when free alternatives exist. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 23:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I guess it is a matter of interpretating the policy: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." I would not say that a home-made COA version would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as an image of the official logo of the municipality. --Kildor (talk) 23:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- That refers to the likes of File:Gaelic_football_pitch_diagram.svg which is a free equivalent. These COA are not the COA of these bodies and we should use the actual COA Gnevin (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- The blazon is the coat of arms. Any graphical interpretation that is faithful to the blazon is the coat of arms for the relevant entity. So as long as we are talking strictly about coat of arms we can create free alternatives and we can not use the official coat of arms under fair use. If we are discussing the coat of arms as a logo and part of the city's graphical profile we are dealing with a specific instance of the coat of arms and we should use the official version. Taemyr (talk) 00:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Exacly. The discussion above is caused by a cultural clash between the logotype and the coat of arms. It simply seems inconcievable that the image is regulated in text, and thus can look in several different ways and still be the same coat of arms. /Grillo (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- So List_of_municipalities_of_Sweden should use Fair use or no COA while , Stockholm_County is ok ? Gnevin (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why no COA? /Grillo (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because I'm not sure a FU claim would stand on list like that Gnevin (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- The coats of arms depicted in the list aren't uploaded as fair use. They are created by wikipedians and uploaded on Commons with free licences. /Grillo (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- If we are discussing the coat of arms as a logo and part of the city's graphical profile we are dealing with a specific instance of the coat of arms and we should use the official version . We are talking about a logo more than a COA here and so we should use the version of the COA they use or none at all Gnevin (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why are we talking about logos? All Swedish municipalities have a coat of arms, which is regulated by law. We have a free alternative, then why in the world should be use unfree alternatives? /Grillo (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because they are used by the municipalities as de facto logos and as such we should use their version of the COA. Gnevin (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Makes no sense at all. But then again, why try to convince people that Wikipedia should be free as in speech and not only free as in beer? /Grillo (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Wiki's only concern it not if the image is free, the image should be accurate too Gnevin (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- The image is accurate, as has been explained. Sjö (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- But it's not the COA the municipalities use, I am willing to concede that we can use COA based on the descriptions where no official one exists but for municipalities we have to use their version as they use it nearly like a logo Gnevin (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Who cares about what logo the municipalities use? Our rendering of the COA is just as valid as their rendering of the COA, and we display the COA to display the COA, not to display the municipality logo. Plrk (talk) 23:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Your right who cares if 2 2=4 , if we for what ever reason say its equal to 6 it's close enough Gnevin (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- It is as if you do not actually read my comments. The point of displaying the coat of arms is to display the coat of arms, as described in law. What logo the municipalities use is completely irrelevant - they might use a rendering of their coat of arms as their logo, or they might use something completely different. If you want a maths analogy, we're saying that 0.3 0.5 equals 8/10, while they say it equals 4/5. Both answers are correct, just as our renderings and their renderings of the coat of arms descriptions are both correct. The issue of logos, existing or not, is not relevant here. Plrk (talk) 11:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the existence of an "unofficial" COA version is completely irrelevant, since no one has ever seen it before. We should use the "official" COA version or logo in the very same way as we have a logo at the top of every article about a company. Using anything BUT the "official" COA or logo will cause confusion and reduces the value of the article. --Kildor (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- It is as if you do not actually read my comments. The point of displaying the coat of arms is to display the coat of arms, as described in law. What logo the municipalities use is completely irrelevant - they might use a rendering of their coat of arms as their logo, or they might use something completely different. If you want a maths analogy, we're saying that 0.3 0.5 equals 8/10, while they say it equals 4/5. Both answers are correct, just as our renderings and their renderings of the coat of arms descriptions are both correct. The issue of logos, existing or not, is not relevant here. Plrk (talk) 11:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- Your right who cares if 2 2=4 , if we for what ever reason say its equal to 6 it's close enough Gnevin (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Who cares about what logo the municipalities use? Our rendering of the COA is just as valid as their rendering of the COA, and we display the COA to display the COA, not to display the municipality logo. Plrk (talk) 23:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- But it's not the COA the municipalities use, I am willing to concede that we can use COA based on the descriptions where no official one exists but for municipalities we have to use their version as they use it nearly like a logo Gnevin (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- The image is accurate, as has been explained. Sjö (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Wiki's only concern it not if the image is free, the image should be accurate too Gnevin (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Makes no sense at all. But then again, why try to convince people that Wikipedia should be free as in speech and not only free as in beer? /Grillo (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because they are used by the municipalities as de facto logos and as such we should use their version of the COA. Gnevin (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why are we talking about logos? All Swedish municipalities have a coat of arms, which is regulated by law. We have a free alternative, then why in the world should be use unfree alternatives? /Grillo (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- If we are discussing the coat of arms as a logo and part of the city's graphical profile we are dealing with a specific instance of the coat of arms and we should use the official version . We are talking about a logo more than a COA here and so we should use the version of the COA they use or none at all Gnevin (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- The coats of arms depicted in the list aren't uploaded as fair use. They are created by wikipedians and uploaded on Commons with free licences. /Grillo (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because I'm not sure a FU claim would stand on list like that Gnevin (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why no COA? /Grillo (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- So List_of_municipalities_of_Sweden should use Fair use or no COA while , Stockholm_County is ok ? Gnevin (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Exacly. The discussion above is caused by a cultural clash between the logotype and the coat of arms. It simply seems inconcievable that the image is regulated in text, and thus can look in several different ways and still be the same coat of arms. /Grillo (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- The blazon is the coat of arms. Any graphical interpretation that is faithful to the blazon is the coat of arms for the relevant entity. So as long as we are talking strictly about coat of arms we can create free alternatives and we can not use the official coat of arms under fair use. If we are discussing the coat of arms as a logo and part of the city's graphical profile we are dealing with a specific instance of the coat of arms and we should use the official version. Taemyr (talk) 00:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- That refers to the likes of File:Gaelic_football_pitch_diagram.svg which is a free equivalent. These COA are not the COA of these bodies and we should use the actual COA Gnevin (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I guess it is a matter of interpretating the policy: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." I would not say that a home-made COA version would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as an image of the official logo of the municipality. --Kildor (talk) 23:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
If there is an article, or section of an article, that deals specifically with the coat of arms, we must use a free version of the coat of arms. However, if we want to use an image to identify a company, municipality or whatever, at the top of the infobox of an article, we can use the official coat of arms or logo under the fair use policy. Right? --Kildor (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- We can and we should Gnevin (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- But the entire point is that the infobox for Swedish municipalities talk about coat of arms. List of municipalities of Sweden also has "coat of arms" cleary written as topic. We're showing the coats of arms for the municipalities. Thus we're doing absolutely nothing wrong and also the images are released under a free licence. Your answer to Plrk is by the way a oneliner containing a stupid comparison. If you can't argue for your point of view anymore, don't even try. This discussion is exactly the point why "happy amateurs" can sometimes actually be wrong... /Grillo (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- So Grillo is arguing that we should use free versions of the COAs when Gnevin insists that we use logos. As logos cannot be used freely it is much more straight foreward to use the COA in a free encyclopedia. One could argue that the logo is of such encyclopedic interrest that it should be shown, but then the discussion should be about that, and not about what is the "right" version of the COA. An article with the COA will not be obslolete when the municipality decides to change its graphical profile. Is the old profile of encyclopedic interrest? If not, it can be argued that it never was. (Of course one should use high quality images for the COA as for anything else, but that is a different issue.) --LPfi (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- But the entire point is that the infobox for Swedish municipalities talk about coat of arms. List of municipalities of Sweden also has "coat of arms" cleary written as topic. We're showing the coats of arms for the municipalities. Thus we're doing absolutely nothing wrong and also the images are released under a free licence. Your answer to Plrk is by the way a oneliner containing a stupid comparison. If you can't argue for your point of view anymore, don't even try. This discussion is exactly the point why "happy amateurs" can sometimes actually be wrong... /Grillo (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
It is rather pointless having this discussion for Swedish municipalities alone. The "official" version of the COA is used in articles for cities in England for example (see City of London), and there is a logo at the top of almost every article about a company. There is no reason to have a separate policy about Swedish municipalities. --Kildor (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- Why are you discussing about company logotypes? Could you please read the definition of a coats of arms and the discussion above? Tomas e (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- I am saying that we use the offical COA of the very same reasons as we are using logos for company articles. Why cannot we show the logo of a municipality? (I am perfectly aware of the definition of coa:s, and I have read the discussion above!). --Kildor (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because the usage of fair use material should be minimal, and fair use can't be applied where a free alternative exists. /Grillo (talk) 16:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- There is no free alternative to a logo. A home made COA version that is unknown to the public can never serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the offical COA or logo used by the company/municipality. The logo/coa is used as a symbol to identify an organization, and it is rather pointless to illustrate an Wikipedia article with a completely different image. --Kildor (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because the usage of fair use material should be minimal, and fair use can't be applied where a free alternative exists. /Grillo (talk) 16:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- I am saying that we use the offical COA of the very same reasons as we are using logos for company articles. Why cannot we show the logo of a municipality? (I am perfectly aware of the definition of coa:s, and I have read the discussion above!). --Kildor (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The "logotypes" of Swedish municipalities is something entirely different from the coats of arms. The website http://www.linkoping.se/ displays the logotype of Linköping Municipality, a modern design of a yellow lion with black outlines and transparent background next to the name Linköping kommun in a specific typeface (read more). The coat of arms (stadsvapen) is a yellow lion on blue background without any text (read more). The logotype was designed by the marketing department in 1987 and revised in 1994. The coat of arms has been in use for 700 years in various graphic renderings and is defined by law as a textual description. There is no such thing as an "official" graphic rendering of the coat of arms. --LA2 (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Translation request
I have just (nearly) completed a total overhaul of Wikipedia's translation system. Previously, there was a very complicated method of posting translation requests. Now there are simply tags, such as {{Expand Swedish}}, that can be placed on stub articles (or longer articles if appropriate). I have tried to review all previous translation requests. Many translation requests were very old and no longer seemed needed, because the English Wikipedia article had developed in the meantime. Other translation requests were fixed by adding tags to existing English-language articles. Other articles I generally could create stubs myself that I could add the tags to. But Wikipedia:Translation/STORA I didn't think I could do well enough to withstand deletion. Hopefully people here can create a stub for this, and tag it with {{Expand Swedish}}, so that translation can take place later. If you are interested in checking out other articles in need of translation (the ones that are properly tagged already), see Category:Articles needing translation from Swedish Wikipedia. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Pictured Swedes
I have put up a proposal to change and add the pictured Swedes in the article Swedish ethnic group. Please feel free to comment and come with other suggestions on the talkpage for the article[18]. Närking (talk) 22:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Racism and derogatory terms, POV and reliable sources
While patrolling newly created articles for this project I came across the article Racism and derogatory terms in Sweden created by Cyrus111 (talk · contribs). While this surely is a phenomenon which exists and a subject about which it is possible to create highly readable, encyclopedic articles, this article suffers from multiple quality issues in my opinion. Issues include POV and lack of reliable sources - it seems to refer to blogs and similar sources - as well as the existence as such of a long list of Swedish terms branded as derogatory, including very neutral adjectives of the Swedish language. Additional editors interested in keeping the Sweden-related contents at encyclopedic quality may wish to have a look at this article. Tomas e (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I thought I would try my hand at improving this article. It's flagged as one that would benefit from having some material added in translation from the parallel sv/Wiki page, so that's where I started. I translated about half of the Swedish page before thinking to look in Nationalencyklopedin at their article on Tage Erlander. (I have the print version here at home.) It seems to me that a good deal of the sv/Wiki text has been lifted - without credit - from the NE article. What to do? My immediate thought is to go to some other sources and see what I can put together independently, but that's going to take a while.
Can someone who has the possibility and is confident of their written Swedish please double check me and - if you feel it appropriate - write a note on the sv/Wiki Erlander talk page. --JohnTheSupercargo (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- I put a note on sv:Diskussion:Tage Erlander. (If you're not confident enough to write Swedish, for important messages, English is usually tolerated on svwiki's talk pages and sv:Wikipedia:Bybrunnen.) How bad is it? Because if it is bad, and you announce it with the relevant template, the axe will almost immediately be put to most of the contents of the page. In enwiki, we have Template:Copyvio to be used in obvious cases, and which blocks text from being shown. In svwiki sv:Mall:Plagiat doesn't block things out, but there are users which monitor the use of the template for more-or-less immediate deletion action. So for borderline cases, and a few sentences here and there, other options may be more attractive. Tomas e (talk) 10:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's quite bad - see the response to your note on sv:Diskussion:Tage Erlander already. Glad that it's OK to use English in the talk pages over there, I've a feeling I might be doing so fairly often. :-) --JohnTheSupercargo (talk) 06:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Need check on Swedish political parties, please
I just Wikified a short list of Swedish political parties in Pirate Party. Since this is a subject that I know nothing about, I'd appreciate it if somebody could check that I haven't made some idiotic mistake. Thanks. :-) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
mormon temple in Stockholm
There is a Mormon temple in Stockholm. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 20:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.
The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Help needed finding sources
I need some help finding reliable Swedish sources on heraldry. I have been working on Swedish heraldry, but I have run into some difficulty improving it further because I no longer have access to Swedish heraldry books since my recent move to Japan. I need someone with access to sources in Sweden to help me find information about Swedish military heraldry, and to find a proper source for the Privy Council's conferring of ducal rights to the provinces in 1884. Ny svensk vapenbok (1992) by Clara Nevéus has been suggested as a good source. I've tried (inter-library loan, Amazon, Abe Books, etc.), but I just can't get it here. The article is quite close to GA or A-class already, and with your help it could even make FA! My thanks go out to anyone who can help contribute to this article. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I'm writing an article on truce terms and would be grateful if anybody could help with what Swedish children use. A truce term is a word used by children, generally under the age of 11, to call a temporary halt or respite during a game - usually for something like discussing the rules or to go to the loo or to tie a shoelace or something. I'd really love a source too if there's some kind of etymological or regional dictionary. Fainites barleyscribs 16:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, since no-one has answered I'll take a shot at it, but I can only give you my own experience. In Gothenburgh the common truce term is "Stoppa lek" (Stop game), for stopping the game temporarily. Sometimes an object is declared "fritt" (free), and anyone touching that object is out of the game while (s)he holds on to it. This is used for cathing one's breath or in tag-like games to tease the other players.Sjö (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Sjo. Would you have a source for that? Fainites barleyscribs 07:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, only what I've seen and heard.Sjö (talk) 10:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- I can confirm fritt as it is used by my kids and their friends in Småland frequently. Pepijnk (talk) 09:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Sjo. Would you have a source for that? Fainites barleyscribs 07:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
A hacker/hackare can be a short Swedish farmer without a computer?
When plowing through WP:Sweden articles to assess them and given them a final touch in terms of categories, templates and interwiki links added or removed, I've stumbled upon an article Hacker (folklore) which has turned out to be controversial. It is about "were a race of short people who used to live in Scandinavia, according to Swedish folklore". The correctness of the article was long since questioned on Talk:Hacker (folklore) by one editor. When I read it, the one online reference didn't support its claim, so I added what I considered relevant quality templates. (I usually don't take the deeper interest to go WP:PROD or WP:AFD during these sweeps.) However, this adding of quality templates and questioning on the talk page has led to something of an edit war with Berig (talk · contribs), who's saying that I do WP:OR and WP:Trolling. Despite being an admin, from my point of view, he seems somewhat disinclined to follow policies. Since this is starting too look surprisingly infected for edits from a "general sweep", I would welcome (a) third opinion(s). And that's both on the content of the article (perhaps you have sources to add?) and the templates/policies thing. Since WP:Sweden is the only project for which this article is tagged, I ask here. But I'm not asking you to take my side, please look upon the article, as well as my and Berig's edits with an open eye, mindful of relevant Wikipedia policies. Tomas e (talk) 10:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
College or University or University College?
In Sweden, there is a very clear difference in status between being universitet and being "merely" a högskola, set down in legislation. Thus, it would seem to make sense for Wikipedia articles to differentiate clearly between the two already in the naming conventions used. According to the online Swedish-English dictionary of terms in higher education kept by Swedish National Agency for Higher Education, the correct translation of högskola is "university college".[19] Despite this, several Swedish university colleges (despite being government agencies) offically call themselves "university" in English. Presumably because of overambitious PR departments. I've never understood why they are able to get away with this - perhaps the Swedish government doesn't have an opinion on official names in other languages, or perhaps names in other languages are not really official in a legal sense. Anyway, this gives us a slight problem. Currently, most articles on högskolor are called things like Malmö College and Gävle College in their enwiki articles, but there are two exceptions. Högskolan i Borås exists both as University of Borås and Borås College, which obviously needs to be corrected somehow, and Södertörns högskola is called Södertörn University, with a long discussion having taken place recently at Talk:Södertörn University between GVU (talk · contribs) and Axt (talk · contribs) and various policies like WP:NOR have been banged over the head of the opponent.
To me, this is a situation which calls for a project-wide solution, and not högskola by högskola. I'm not sure if anything in Wikipedia:Naming conventions provides a clear answer in this situation; it's more a matter of weighing arguments. Normally, I would be inclined to go for the official name as used by the institution itself. But in this case that name is actually misleading (unencyclopedic) since it does not follow the official translation of the term högskola, and since the educational institutions make a big deal of their ambitions to actually become universities. To understand why it could be a problem to use the term Södertörn University, consider the recent opinion article by Lars Leijonborg [20](in Swedish) which said "no more colleges will be allowed to become universities". Compare the sentence "The application by Södertörn University for university status was denied" to the sentence "The application by Södertörn [University] College for university status was denied". My proposal for a guideline would therefore be:
- Translate högskola as "university college" for all Swedish higher educational institutions which do not have Swedish university status, irrespective of which English name form they prefer themselves. The term "university" is only used for those with Swedish university status. Composite terms like vårdhögskola and teknisk högskola can be given other common translations, which only may include the word university if the institution has Swedish university status.
My proposal would also mean renaming a lot of ...College articles to ...University College, such as Malmö University College. Opinions? Tomas e (talk) 16:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- Difficult question this. Wikipedia is not the right place to correct any incorrect usage. As a tertiary work, we should use the name most commonly used by sources. (The real question is why högskoleverket lets them get away with calling themselves "University" in English) henrik•talk 17:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- So what is your counter-proposal? Another policy or no policy? I could of course counter that Wikipedia, if it is to be an encyclopedia, not is a place where obviously incorrect and misleadin usage should be repeated... :-) Tomas e (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say we should use the most common name per Wikipedia's naming policy (Naming conventions for organizations). I suspect applying this rule would result in "X University" (Borås University, Mäldardalen University, etc.), even though technically they should call themselves "X University College" according to HSV (List of higher education institutions).Kristensson (talk) 00:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Update! I've now found an English-language "List of higher education institutions" in Sweden at Högskoleverket, the Swedish National Agency for Higher Education. This is the first time I've managed to find a complete list compiled in English. My proposal is to use the name forms found in that list, which means Borås University College, Södertörn University College and so on. It's the same proposal as before, but without the need to infer complete names from a dictionary - they are spelled out in plain text from the Swedish oversight agency for higher education, as opposed to the communications/PR people from indiviudal insititutions. Tomas e (talk) 08:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Aha. That would seem to be a good source. I agree that HSV is a more reliable source than the PR/communications people of the respective institutions. henrik•talk 09:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Uh, that is the same list I provided above. However, I still maintain the most common name should be used, since we should follow Wikipedia guidelines. For example Wikipedia calls Trinity College, Cambridge just that, not "The College of the Holy and Undivided Trinity in the University of Cambridge", which is the legal name of the entity. In the same manner, even though Södertörns högskola might legally be Södertörn University College, the more common name used in English is Södertörn University. Therefore the most common name should be used. Wikipedia is not the place to enforce HSVs naming conventions, that is up to the Swedish government. Disclaimer: I am not associated with any university involved. Kristensson (talk) 13:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, you see, Trinity College, Cambridge is a college. In this case, we are dealing with colleges that claim to be universities contrary to better knowledge of their own country's laws. --Axt (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- I go with Tomas e on this. The only reason "Södertörn University" is commonly used in English (if indeed it is commonly used) is because Södertörn's PR department have promoted it successfully as such. It's a toss up, isn't it? On the one hand we "enforce HSVs naming conventions" on the other we give credence to the claims of the "PR/communications people of the respective institutions". Of the two, I vote for the former. --JohnTheSupercargo (talk) 12:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I stumbled upon this discussion a little late, unfortunately. I do see the point of going with the most frequently used name. However, I also see the högskoleverket's -- i.e. the Swedish government's authority for public higher education -- list of official translations as more important than the work of all högskola's PR offices combined. The Swedish education ministry has made it clear that none of the högskolor will be lifted to university status (see above). The Swedish education system legally differentiates between a universitet and a högskola (see above, too). How some Swedish bureaucrat came up with the title "university college" escapes me. To me, that would mean that the institution is one of several constituent colleges of University XYZ, but not that it is an independent institution by itself. That is why I suggested the translation "college" for "högskola", which to me seems the best one. But... no original research. Point taken. I do not understand why the authority that finances those institutions, i.e. högskoleverket, allows them to claim (contrary to better knowledge & and contrary to Swedish law) that they are universities either (again, see above). Now, what do we do..... I would suggest using "college" for all "högskolor". In case there is no majority for "college", I would also support using the HSV list of official English translations ("university college"), although I think that term is confusing. I would also like to suggest simply using the Swedish term "XYZs högskola", thus avoiding the problem of finding a proper English name. In any case, I would not support using "university" for any of the "högskolor" in Sweden, because Wikipedia should stick to the truth, even if it is sometimes contrary to what Google statistics and PR departments tell us. --Axt (talk) 21:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just to let you know, I've sent a polite e-mail to Högskoleverket to (1) make them aware of the problem, and to (2) ask for a clarification why the colleges get away with calling themselves universities and why the HSV chose the (at least to me) strange translation "university college" for "högskola". Knowing how Swedish offices work, a response could take a few months, however. --Axt (talk) 13:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- What you propose is basically ignoring several important Wikipedia policies, including Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Naming conventions. This is not possible, you would need to gain consensus for changing those policies first. Let me point out once again that the name "Södertörn College" is both unofficial and usused and return only 193 Google results. Using names in foreign languages (even if there is an official English name which return thousands of Google results) is contrary to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). GVU (talk) 17:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I strongly oppose using anything else than the official names and established names used by most sources. Inventing our own names, and using other names than the official ones and the names used by most sources, constitutes original research and is a violation of the naming conventions. In the case of Södertörn University, the institution uses that name in English, even on its logo, and is referred to as such by most English sources. If one disagree with the institution calling itself Södertörn University, one should discuss it with the institution or the Swedish government, not try to enforce a new, non-official and usused name at Wikipedia. GVU (talk) 16:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It's a complete falsehood that the English names are somehow only the work of some "PR department". In the case of Södertörn, the English name is a decision of the highest body of the university. Those who think it should not be called Södertörn University need to fight the name somewhere else, because Wikipedia relies on reliable sources and use the official and most common English name, which is in this case is Södertörn University. GVU (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Have you actually read the above? How can you claim that the list kept by Högskoleverket is not official??? How can you claim that using the names as set down in a comprehensive list of all universities and colleges in Sweden, published by the governmental oversight agency in the field, is "original research"? That, my dear friend, is simply using WP:RS, not WP:OR, i.e., exactly what Wikipedia is about! It is not up to an individual government agency in Sweden to decide its own name; that is decided by the government, and in the case of larger changes proposed changes tend to go to parliament. Specifically, the status of higher educational institutions in Sweden is set down in the "Higher education act" (Högskoleförordningen, SFS 1993:100). And Södertörns högskola is NOT a university. And of course the pompous translation is for PR purposes, why else? By the way, considering WP:COI, do you have any affiliation with Södertörns högskola? Otherwise, I cannot see why you defend them being called a university so vehemently. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Firstly, the högskoleverket list is an official document, and therefore does not constitute original research by wikipedia authors. It uses the term "university college" for ALL of the högskola in Sweden, including for those which -- in a grey legal area -- call themselves "university". Since the self-ascribed name of these högkolor that call themselves "university" will also be mentioned in the article's text, I see no problem. In my view, the only remaining question is: should (a) "university college" or (b) the shortened "college" be used. As we have to stick to official naming conventions, we must use (a), although (b) makes more sense to me. --Axt (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Follow policy - use the most common name. Value judgments such as "but they're only in common use because of the PR!!" is about as relevant to this discussion as is "cow meat is only called beef because of the French!". Adding a note to the universities stating that they are not actually universities according to the Swedish definition would be good, but let's not forget that the definition of the English word "university" is much broader than the Swedish word "universitet". 81.170.235.35 (talk) 13:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- The frequent claim that the English definition of the word university is "much broader" is simply not true. In the majority of English-speakign countries, including the United Kingdom, the use of the term "university" is legally protected, and using it requires government approval just like in Sweden, Germany, France, etc. --Axt (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Merriam-Webster: "University: an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees ; specifically : one made up of an undergraduate division which confers bachelor's degrees and a graduate division which comprises a graduate school and professional schools each of which may confer master's degrees and doctorates". Princeton's Wordnet: "university (a large and diverse institution of higher learning created to educate for life and for a profession and to grant degrees)". The word may or not may be legally protected in some countries, but that is beyond the definition of the word. Obviously, Swedish högskolor are allowed to use the word "university" in English, even if Högskoleverket doesn't agree with it. If they take steps to protect the usage of the word "university" in English, then you'd have a case. Until that happens, Wikipedia shouldn't use neologisms but the most widely used name. As I said previously, value judgments such as "it's because of PR" has nothing do to with any Wikipedia policy. 81.170.235.35 (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Why did they do it if it was not PR then? And, dear IP number, are you by any chance affiliated with any högskola calling itself "university"? It seems you want to carefully avoid certain Wikipedia policies to get a desired end result. Perhaps WP:COI would be interesting reading for you? Tomas e (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Dear IP number" is rude and insinuating, and so is your tone. Please be civil and please assume good faith. Also, since I'm obviously "hiding" behind a horrible, horrible IP number (unlike the informative nickname "Tomas e" or "Axt") it shouldn't be very hard for you to find out that I live in Lund. From that you could venture the guess that I study at Lund University (which I do). 81.170.235.35 (talk) 09:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Also, what Wikipedia policies are you referring to, except for COI which you have absolutely no grounds for? I've referred to WP:NEO and I can in addition point you to Wikipedia:Naming conventions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.235.35 (talk) 09:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Why did they do it if it was not PR then? And, dear IP number, are you by any chance affiliated with any högskola calling itself "university"? It seems you want to carefully avoid certain Wikipedia policies to get a desired end result. Perhaps WP:COI would be interesting reading for you? Tomas e (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Merriam-Webster: "University: an institution of higher learning providing facilities for teaching and research and authorized to grant academic degrees ; specifically : one made up of an undergraduate division which confers bachelor's degrees and a graduate division which comprises a graduate school and professional schools each of which may confer master's degrees and doctorates". Princeton's Wordnet: "university (a large and diverse institution of higher learning created to educate for life and for a profession and to grant degrees)". The word may or not may be legally protected in some countries, but that is beyond the definition of the word. Obviously, Swedish högskolor are allowed to use the word "university" in English, even if Högskoleverket doesn't agree with it. If they take steps to protect the usage of the word "university" in English, then you'd have a case. Until that happens, Wikipedia shouldn't use neologisms but the most widely used name. As I said previously, value judgments such as "it's because of PR" has nothing do to with any Wikipedia policy. 81.170.235.35 (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- The frequent claim that the English definition of the word university is "much broader" is simply not true. In the majority of English-speakign countries, including the United Kingdom, the use of the term "university" is legally protected, and using it requires government approval just like in Sweden, Germany, France, etc. --Axt (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
An additional update to this issue, that will be of particular interest for those who're able to read Swedish. Högskoleverket has just issued a statement, signed by chancellor Anders Flodström, primarily related to diploma mills in Sweden: read it here and Dagens Nyheter's take on the subject here. They want improved legal protection for the Swedish desigations högskola and universitet, as well as their translations into other languages, similar to the situation in Norway, primarily to fight diploma mills. In connection with this they also state that "A regulation of the institutions' official names in translation would also mean a certain reduction in the university colleges' autonomy. The university colleges would then not be able to call themselves "university" internationally." ("En reglering av lärosätenas officiella namn i översättning skulle även innebära en viss inskränkning av högskolornas självstyre. Högskolorna skulle nämligen inte kunna kalla sig university i internationella sammanhang.") They then go on and discuss the need to provide case-by-case dispensation for e.g. spin-off companies from universities and established educational forms such as folkhögskola where the term högskola is a part. But not one word of any need to give dispensation for högskolor to call themselves "universities". I think this document makes it abundantly clear that Högskoleverket disproves of the current practice of various university colleges, and even want legislation to close the loopholes rather then just issuing stronger recommendations. Tomas e (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the update. Now we know that the Swedish higher education authority disapproves of the use of the name "university" by "högskolor". Let's hope the law passes parliament soon. Until then, I still believe we should use Högskoleverkets list of official translations (which uses University College of X or X University College) rather than what the colleges' PR departments made up. By the way, I had a short e-mail correspondence with one of the two people who signed the initiative. He was "aware of the problem", but he only summarised the problem that we already knew before I wrote the e-mail, i.e. he did not offer any sort of solution to it. This seems to be a good solution after all. --Axt (talk) 19:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- I saw this on the news too. Let's change the names once the law is passed and not before. Until then, the articles should be listed at their most common names, and not neologisms such as "college" or the unofficial names Högskoleverket have suggested (if they have suggested any? Does such a list exist?). I think it's fine mentioning that they are not universities by the Swedish definition in the opening paragraph. 81.170.235.35 (talk) 09:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- As mentioned before, a list published by the Swedish högskoleverket is hardly "unofficial" -- it is official. --Axt (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
GA Reassessment of Emanuel Swedenborg
I have done the GA Reassessment of Emanuel Swedenborg as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found the article does not meet current GA Criteria. As such I have placed the article on hold pending work that needs to be done to bring it up to current standards. My review is here. I am notifying all interested projects and editors of the possibility that the article will be delisted if work is not done in the next week. Please contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. H1nkles (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Photo request
Would someone mind photographing the Scandinavian Airlines System headquarters in Stockholm? Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 07:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
GAR Scanian dialects
Scanian dialects has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. G Purevdorj (talk) 22:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
"Gävle - Oldest town in the historical Norrland"
Gävle is not the oldest town in the historical Norrland. The providence of Gästrikland where Gävle is situated was not a part of the historical Norrland. The providence of Gästrikland was for a long time an anex to the providence of Uppland. As late as in 1642 Gästrikland was moved to Norrland from Svealand.
The oldest town in Norrland of today is Gävle but the oldest town in the historical Norrland is Hudiksvall, situated in the providence of Hälsingland in the country of Gävleborg. Hudiksvall founded in 1582.
Erik Andersson Hälsingland Sweden —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.206.58 (talk) 00:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for notifying us.
- If I am not mistaken, the term "historical Norrland" on Wikipedia actually means the same as "Norrland of today", since Norrland is not an administrative or juridical term.
- Fred-J 13:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello all, in an attempt to address any English bias, I would be very grateful if any swedish-speaking person knew of or could find any folklore, or history of hunting or, or any other information on, the Ruff in their native country which might not be covered in the article currently at FAC. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Some Norwegian "ruffcruft": It is the only bird species (out of 471) in the official Norwegian red list classified as "Data Deficient".
| “ | ... we are not able to classify this species according to criterion A since the knowledge about population changes is very limited (e.g. the change during the previous three generation may have been anything in the range 10-60 %).[21] | ” |
- Apparently a significant effort is being undertaken by NOF (Norway's main ornithological society) to gather more data. The ruff was also named "Bird of the year 2009".[22] decltype (talk) 17:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fantastic! Now how to add it...Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Interested in castles?
Some weeks ago, we had a large number of stub articles about "Castles in Sweden" created. If anyone is interested in this subject, many of these articles are begging for improvement:
- They all seem to have corresponding articles in Swedish Wikipedia, but were all created without interwiki links.
- They correspond to what in Swedish is called slott (see sv:Kategori:Slott i Sverige), which can equally well be a palace rather than a castle, if it was not built for defensive purposes. Therefore, many of these articles (but not all) should probably be renamed and recategorised into Category:Palaces in Sweden.
- Many of the corresponding articles in Swedish Wikipedia have images, which could be added to these articles.
Since I've been mainly doing sweeps of new articles to assess them for this project and add the odd interwiki link, I feel that this is to big an undertaking, so I'm not planning to do it myself. (There was a hint hidden in there - more people are welcome to keep an eye on User:AlexNewArtBot/SwedenSearchResult and assess those articles that are relevant for this project.) If you're interested in having a go at these palace/castle articles, you will find them in Category:Castles in Sweden. Tomas e (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
GA reassessment of Swedish literature
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, listed at Talk:Swedish literature/GA1. I will check back in seven days. If these issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I wrote most of that article. It took a long time and the prose is still clumsy as you note. I think I am trying to hard sometimes.
- You say that there are " a large number of uncited statements". But citations are mainly needed for sections "Literature in pop music lyrics" (about Lundell, Wiehe, Progg) and "Finland" (which I didn't write -- I admit that I often miss Finland-Swedish writers, probably because we here in Skåne are both geographically and culturally distant), and perhaps "Drama". And in the section "Literature in pop music lyrics" I believe that the first paragraph uses the entirely same reference as the second (cite #44) but I leave it for now.
- I believe that articles benefit from being edited by more than one user and I have done my share for now. So if anyone else is interested, you are welcome.
- Fred-J 08:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Translator requested
Can someone who can speak Swedish possibly be kind enough to translate some articles for this AfD? Or if someone has a knowledge of Swedish football, tell us if John Guidetti ever played in the Allsvenskan for AIK. Many thanks, GiantSnowman 15:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Article naming conventions for sovereigns
There is an ongoing discussion of how naming guidelines apply to Scandinavian sovereigns at WT:NCNT#Name-Ordinal-Country construction revisited, and this discussion has recently been moved to a subpage at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)/Scandinavian sovereigns. Please feel free to join in the discussion there. Thank you. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 11:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
08 Stockholm Human Rights article
I have expanded the article using a couple of sources I found, but I don't read Swedish, so I am limited in what I can do! There were a lot of references to the club using Google Search (2990 hits for "08 Stockholm Human Rights"), so there may be many more suitable references, which others may be able to use.
I have the impression from what I have seen that this is a very notable basketball club, so I think it would benefit from more knowledgeable editors looking at it and improving it.
In particular, I am not at all sure that the Merit List section is correctly translated and formatted - perhaps a Swedish basketball fan might be able to improve this.
To be honest, I only came across the article as it had the {{unreferenced}} tag with no date on the tag, which is a category of articles I often look at to find references. It now has the {{Refimprove|date=August 2009}} tag.
Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Is Fredrik Reinfeldt really of any importance?
The article on prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt is currently classified as "High-importance" on the scale Top-High-Mid-Low. It was previously classified as "Top-importance", and has been bouncing back and forth a few times, and twice reassessed down by non-project members. In some other projects, Top-importance is set by polling rather than by any edtor. Without trying to institutionalise such a system for all articles in the project, I'd like to hear the opinion of project members on this matter. What it boils down to in my mind is if the article on current prime minister/head of government should be assessed Top-class? (I guess the question could also be extended to the current head of state.) Tomas e (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's entirely up to the Wikiproject to decide the importance classification. WPSweden is relatively narrow in scope; looking the articles currently listed as top-importance, I see no compelling reason why Reinfeldt should not have that rating, as long as he's holding office. decltype (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- Tomas, I notice it was the same non-project editor that changed the importance of Fredrik Reinfeldt and the class of other articles you have been changing back in the last days. As Decltype said, a non-project user has no authority do decide our categorization, and I agree that Reinfeldt is not top-importance.
- Fred-J 17:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- Just a clarification: I said I saw no compelling reason why his article should not be Top-importance (double negative, I know). That said, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. decltype (talk) 00:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Update / Expansion of Swedish_Police_Service Page?
With the increased popularity and availability of Swedish police dramas (such as Wallander and Beck) internationally, it would be useful to see the Swedish_Police_Service page give a breakdown of various Swedish law enforcement activities. For example the role of prosecutors in investigations, forensic science team involvement, jurisdictional borders, etc.
Could someone with current knowledge of these matters provide this please? rturus (talk) 09:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Fredrik Reinfeldt at GAR
Talk:Fredrik Reinfeldt/GA1. Any help would be appreciated. Theleftorium 23:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Hallåj!
I dislike the time interval subdivisions perused in f.ex. History of Sweden, which lists as follows:
- Pre-historic age: 9,000 BC–AD 800,
- Early Swedish history: 800–1500,
- Modern Sweden: 1523.
It doesn't adher to the time subdivision as made in my history book (ISBN 91-518-3539-8 "Sveriges historia"), which instead peruses:
- Antiquity –1060,
- Middle Ages 1060–1521
- New Ages 1521–now
While the archeological sources instead peruses:
- Mesolithic ("Äldre stenåldern") (glaciation)–2500 BCE
- Neolithic ("Yngre stenåldern") 2500 BCE–1500 BCE
- Bronze Age 1500 BCE–500 BCE
- Iron Age 500 BCE–yesterday
- Pre-Roman IA: 500 BCE–0
- Roman IA: 0–400 CE
- Migration IA: 400–550 CE
- Vendel time: 550–800 CE
- Viking time: 800–1060 CE
- Start of history: 1060 CE
The articles should preferable be adapted this way, unless there are major non-Swedish sources perusing a different time scheme. Please, have opinions! ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 09:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
List of Swedish football champions at FLRC
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How to divide and describe Sweden's 19th century history
In response to the newly created article Sweden in Union with Norway, I wrote the following on that article's talk page: Is the timeframe 1814-1905 and "Sweden in Union with Norway" really the best way to divide and focus the main article on Sweden's 19th century history? This sort of seems like a Norway-centric way of describing Sweden's history. Svwiki has instead the two articles sv:Sveriges historia 1809–1866 and sv:Sveriges historia 1866–1905, which provides a focus on the more dramatic loss of Finland in 1809, and Sweden's own constitutional and political changes. Actually, both language versions could use a lot more material on economical, industrial, scientific, educational and cultural changes and advances in this era, but that is another story. But I guess this is really an issue which might better belong here. Tomas e (talk) 18:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- 1809 is definitely the year to start from. Not only was Finland lost, but Gustav IV Adolf was toppled and a new constitution was put in place.
- Andejons (talk) 10:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Sandviken, Sweden: move to Sandviken, Sandviken?
Hej everybody,
there is a "situation" with the Sandviken article... there are two "Sandviken"s:
One is referred to as "Sandviken, Södertälje" as it is situated in the Södertälje municipality. So far, so simple. The other Sandviken however is in the Sandviken municipality. Instead of "Sandviken, Sandviken" (which would be the same pattern), it is called "Sandviken, Sweden" - not a very good solution, either.
Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how to solve this problem?
Cheers, Justsail (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- "Sandviken, Sandviken" sounds absolutely horrible, and I believe we had a case similar to that a year or more ago which we got rid of. Since Sandviken, Södertälje is a small village of 338 souls and "Sandviken, Sweden" is a city of 22,574, as well as the seat of an eponymous municipality, I would consider the city the primary topic per WP:DAB, because I see no real contenders at the Sandviken disambiguation page. This is also the case in Swedish Wikipedia, see sv:Sandviken. My preference would therefore be to move the disambiguation page to Sandviken (disambiguation) and the city from "Sandviken, Sweden" to plain Sandviken. Tomas e (talk) 22:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, that sounds like the most sensible approach. Only thing I'd like to add: in the "Sandviken" page add something like "This page is about the Swedish city Sandviken in the municipality of the same name. For other places, companies or clubs of this name see Sandviken (disambiguation)." Sound good to you? Justsail (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think you just need to use the Template:about to produce this result, as in {{about|Sandviken}}. Possibly the move will require administrator assistance, though. Tomas e (talk) 13:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Done. With admin help the pages have been moved, everything should be ok now. I have also updated all internal links to "Sandviken" and "Sandviken, Sweden", including templates. Hope I got them all ;-) Justsail (talk) 13:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think you just need to use the Template:about to produce this result, as in {{about|Sandviken}}. Possibly the move will require administrator assistance, though. Tomas e (talk) 13:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, that sounds like the most sensible approach. Only thing I'd like to add: in the "Sandviken" page add something like "This page is about the Swedish city Sandviken in the municipality of the same name. For other places, companies or clubs of this name see Sandviken (disambiguation)." Sound good to you? Justsail (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys. The Nobel Prize is a top importance article here on this project and lately I have bee trying to make it into a GA. I have, however, come to a point where I need some help with opinions and somebody to look at the article with a new set of eyes, perhaps doing some copy editing etc. I could really need a hand if possible. If not with editing I would appriciate if somebody at least gave some opinions on the talk page :)
Cheers --Esuzu 13:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
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Dear all, this article was speedily deleted as unreferenced for three years. If any native speakers can find some more that'd be great. Also, I'd recommend checking other swedish people stubs before they disappear. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I usually check up on all PRODs and AfDs that are tagged for this project, since that's easy using the Article Alerts on the project page. That absolutely doesn't mean that I vote to save anything (or participate in all discussions), but lack of understanding of Swedish-language sources, inability to read Swedish Wikipedia or ignorance of Sweden-related subjects should never be a reason for deletion of an article. The evidence I've seen of "anglocentrism" is one of the reason why I think it is so misguided to delete articles on sight without going to PROD or AfD - that means that projects never get a chance to be involved, not even the most active participants. Of course, not all Sweden-related biographies or other articles are currently tagged, but a fair amount of them are. Tomas e (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at a Request for comment (RfC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on Swedish subjects (like Tommy Möller, now deleted for that reason). The cleanup link in the title above points to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject Sweden template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list,
- review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP
- add references (you may e.g. lift references from the Swedish page, if that page exists)
- remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template from the article.
Thanks Power.corrupts (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm curious what was the issue with the Tommy Möller article, other than being unsourced. He's a fairly non-controversial political scientist. Was there any libelous or controversial claims in it? If the idea is to delete all non-sourced biographical articles en masse no matter what they contain without AfD, PROD or anything, I think they result will just be a mass exodus from Wikipedia rather than all editors immediately ceasing all other activities (including eating and sleeping) to instead spend all their time on improving biographies. This idea would be extremely counterproductive, to say the least. Tomas e (talk) 17:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I just asked Scott MacDonald (talk · contribs) who deleted it, and it seems there was nothing specifically wrong with it, he and a couple of other guys just deleted a couple of hundred articles as some sort of WP:POINT. Since this happended just a few days ago when the layout of the assessment logs were changed, I wouldn't be surprised if a few projects missed these deletions because everything looked different. Reflection on this approach to adminship, I guess there is something to be said for the system of Swedish Wikipedia whereby admins have to stand for "reelection" every 12 months... Tomas e (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yup. Nothing else than being unreferenced. A list of articles deleted under that campaign is here: User:Apoc2400/Deletion list, many have now been undeleted and referenced. You can help by mobilizing a lot of editors to reference articles (Swedish and others), or they are likely to be deleted with very little oversight. With 50k articles we need a lot of hands. Please post a message at the Swedish village pump linking to this notice. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I did post there, although more because I find it an interesting comparison to svwiki rather than to get more editors on Sweden-related biographies. The deletion of Frank Andersson in particular raise a couple of eyebrows. Tomas e (talk) 22:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- There's are also Sweden project related articles which have been proposed for deletion in the last week, such as Göran Lundin which I sourced and deprodded recently.--Milowent (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Having gone through the remaining redlinks in the list, the only obviously Swedish-sounding name is game designer and science journalist Anders Blixt, cached version, sv:Anders Blixt. If anyone feels he is important enough to have a go. Notable enough for an article with my standards, but not exactly a high-priority article. Tomas e (talk) 22:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yup. Nothing else than being unreferenced. A list of articles deleted under that campaign is here: User:Apoc2400/Deletion list, many have now been undeleted and referenced. You can help by mobilizing a lot of editors to reference articles (Swedish and others), or they are likely to be deleted with very little oversight. With 50k articles we need a lot of hands. Please post a message at the Swedish village pump linking to this notice. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I just asked Scott MacDonald (talk · contribs) who deleted it, and it seems there was nothing specifically wrong with it, he and a couple of other guys just deleted a couple of hundred articles as some sort of WP:POINT. Since this happended just a few days ago when the layout of the assessment logs were changed, I wouldn't be surprised if a few projects missed these deletions because everything looked different. Reflection on this approach to adminship, I guess there is something to be said for the system of Swedish Wikipedia whereby admins have to stand for "reelection" every 12 months... Tomas e (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Regarding admin reconfirmation: This seems to be a perennial proposal here on en. I do not think it is practical given the sheer amount of sysops, but it is interesting to note that this system seemingly works well on sv. decltype (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Svwiki has ~100 admins, and terms of adminship are visible here sv:Wikipedia:Administratörer. I'm not one of them, by the way. An average of 25 have to be confirmed per quarter, during a 1-month window. Dividing enwiki's ~1,700 admins into 12 groups instead of 3, but still using a 1-month window would mean that ~140 would have to be reconfirmed every month. This is not easy, but I think it would be manageable. I noticed that in the current BLP debate, some people have voiced the opinion that ~500 PRODs per day is quite OK, which is ~15,000 per month. Just to compare the volumes we're talking about. Tomas e (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Regarding admin reconfirmation: This seems to be a perennial proposal here on en. I do not think it is practical given the sheer amount of sysops, but it is interesting to note that this system seemingly works well on sv. decltype (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- I have recreated the article, and it has been renominated[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anders_Blixt]. All viewpoints welcome walk victor falk talk 19:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Nationality of Anders Chydenius
An editor posted a question regarding the nationality of Anders Chydenius (1729-1803) over at WPFinland, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finland#Combating nationalist bias with... nationalist bias, in case anyone from here would like to give their inputs. Tomas e (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Photo request: SAS head office
Is anyone living in Stockholm? If so, would someone mind getting a photograph of the SAS head office once the weather clears and permits the photograph? Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Unless it is another building, sv:SAS_koncernbyggnad has some photos. / Fred-J 15:55, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Based on the street address, that's it. Thank you for finding it :) - If I can find sources that describe the building, I could make an article about it. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, sv:SAS koncernbyggnad needs an English translation. Is anyone here familiar with the Swedish architecture guides/sources that discuss it? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hello! I am the author of the swedish article about SAS building in Solna. My mainly source was Solna stads hemsida (in swedish). You can Google-translate it (my english is not good enough). --Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Here is what I have so far: Scandinavian_Airlines#Head_office - I am not certain whether the SAS HQ was built in a former military ravine (as Google translator says) or if it was built on something else. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- No, SAS HQ was not built in a former military ravine, but the whole area "Frösundavik" (sv:Frösundavik) was military untill 1970. Some former military buildings are left and are civil offices, hotels and headquaters today.--Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 14:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for helping me with this. If any very important architectural works/books/etc refer to the HQ and make additional commentary, on EN we could split the section into a new article. I'll see what google books says. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- No, SAS HQ was not built in a former military ravine, but the whole area "Frösundavik" (sv:Frösundavik) was military untill 1970. Some former military buildings are left and are civil offices, hotels and headquaters today.--Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 14:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Here is what I have so far: Scandinavian_Airlines#Head_office - I am not certain whether the SAS HQ was built in a former military ravine (as Google translator says) or if it was built on something else. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hello! I am the author of the swedish article about SAS building in Solna. My mainly source was Solna stads hemsida (in swedish). You can Google-translate it (my english is not good enough). --Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I created Scandinavian Airlines head office WhisperToMe (talk) 17:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me! The SAS HQ building was architect Niels Torps international "break through" work in
the middle of 19801985. --Holger.Ellgaard (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me! The SAS HQ building was architect Niels Torps international "break through" work in
Hi. I wanted to let you know that this article is tagged for reference problems. With the current WP:BLP controversy, the article is in danger of being deleted. Maurreen (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Fixed- I really think it is a good thing for you and others to go through articles that need citations, and also that you requested assistance here so that someone will see it....
- Fred-J 10:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Translation request at Talk:2009 Aftonbladet Israel controversy
I just posted a section the above talk page, here, requesting a third party to translate three passages from Swedish to English. I've made my own attempts, but given that I'm involved in editing the article and my Swedish is rusty and limited, it would be great if someone could help us out with an independent translation. Many thanks, Mackan79 (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
It took a while, so I translated the last excerpts. But I am not a third party in this, so it would be great if someone read and correct it so that you, this someone, can say that it is as accurate as it possibly can be. Steinberger (talk) 05:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The article Florhed has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- A search for references found this word used as a family name but did not find it as the name of a location. The word is used as location in the article Hälsinge regemente (without reference), but is not listed any of the articles related to Gävleborg County, Hälsingland or other articles. I suspect it is a misspelling of a community but can't be sure. Delete per WP:V
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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jeepday (talk) 11:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- A Google maps search will put you right onto Florhed, Hälsingland. So the place exists. However, I fail to see an notability. It doesn't even seem to have a bus-stop, as the nearest bus stops are called Nolhead and Emböle. :) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=florhed, sweden&sll=61.329031,16.752777&sspn=0.009142,0.037465&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Florhed, Sweden&t=h&z=13 --OpenFuture (talk) 09:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
DYK by bot, someday
It should be possible to have a bot adding articles to the showcase section DYK. I don't know of any such bot that does not at the moment, but will keep my eyes open for it. Suggestions are welcome.
So, if you have created an article that was featured on DYK but it is not on the list here on the project page, it is probably because I didn't see it in the archives of DYK articles/article alaert or because I haven't had time to add it yet. When the list gets automated, it will get added.
Fred-J 12:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Shame on Sweeden
Ingvar Carlsson ansd ex-Prime Minister of your nation, and unreferenced and unloved for years. What type of Wikiproject are you guys running? --Scott Mac (Doc) 20:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- One built on trust and love?--Milowent (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Scott: WP:SOFIXIT. Theleftorium 21:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I'd rather he didn't. ;) I'll add a source instead. decltype (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Carlssons most notable feat was looking like a shoe. ;) --OpenFuture (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps it is the reason why user:Scott MacDonald want to delete it. --78.70.221.227 (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Carlssons most notable feat was looking like a shoe. ;) --OpenFuture (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I'd rather he didn't. ;) I'll add a source instead. decltype (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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I've been improving Nobel Prize for a long time now and it is finally nominated to FA. I would be grateful if people could go there and comment on the nomination or support the article if you like it. Cheers --Esuzu (talk • contribs) 18:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
User:BjörnBergman has changed the name of many articles from "Skåne County" into "Scania County". Isn't "Skåne County" the correct form? Theleftorium 16:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- At least the official webpages of both the administrative board and the regional council use Skåne rather than Scania. Since the county is a political entity we should definitely use the official sources (refer to WP:RS), while the traditional province can use the name form Scania. Apparently a lot of articles have been affected. Tomas e (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
University colleges
It has come to my attention (for some time really, I haven't had time to delve into it until now...) that many of the Swedish university colleges (högskolor) are called "universities". For example Malmö University. This is incorrect and at least in Sweden potentially illegal. Either they should be called colleges or university colleges. They do not have the right to call themselves universities, even if they like to do so themselves in other languages than Swedish. See also List of universities in Sweden where the correct terms are used. That page should probably also be moved to list of universities and university colleges in Sweden, even if that would be a more complicated article title. /Grillo (talk) 11:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Malmö Högskola calls itself Malmö University on their english pages. If this is illegal, then it's their problem. We reasonably need to follow their own translations... --OpenFuture (talk) 21:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- It has been discussed before at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sweden/Archive 1#College or University or University College? It's not a matter of inventing translation's, but of using the version used by the University Colleges themselves (what I have claimed is their PR departments' version) or the translations used by the Swedish National Agency for Higher Education (HSV). I fully support Grillo's comment, but unfortunately we have not reached consensus, because it seems that many editors who take an interest in specific University Colleges unfortunately don't seem to like the official version as given by HSV. I sincerely hope that no WP:COI has been involved in any editors' wish to "protect" the translation of Swedish University Colleges' names into English as "Universities", because it would be very unfortunate if Wikipedia was used as a vehicle to misrepresent the status of them. Tomas e (talk) 11:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Ah HSV have a page with names too? <looking> Ah, yes, indeed: [23]. Yeah, I see no problem with following that one. --OpenFuture (talk) 13:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- It is unfortunate that these institutions have chosen to refer to themselves as universities in English, when in reality they aren't. However, it's the name that's more commonly used in independent reliable English-language sources that should be the article's title. Malmö University has two references (HSV) using "Malmö University College". This is the name that should be used unless another form (such as "Malmö University") is demonstrably more common in other English-language sources.
decltype(talk) 12:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, since there are official names for them given by the national agency of higher education, I believe it makes more sense to use these names than the names preferred by the university colleges themselves (or their PR departments, more likely). I don't like the fact that people might come from other countries to study at a university college which they think is a real university, just because the institutions themselves are more concerned with their publicity image than to be factually correct. This absolutely goes above any most common criteria. What is most commonly believed isn't neccesarily correct. /Grillo (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
- If no one objects I'll move the affected articles in a couple of days. /Grillo (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, since there are official names for them given by the national agency of higher education, I believe it makes more sense to use these names than the names preferred by the university colleges themselves (or their PR departments, more likely). I don't like the fact that people might come from other countries to study at a university college which they think is a real university, just because the institutions themselves are more concerned with their publicity image than to be factually correct. This absolutely goes above any most common criteria. What is most commonly believed isn't neccesarily correct. /Grillo (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
- In case it wasn't entirely clear, I was arguing that the HSV version is the more common name unless proven otherwise.
decltype(talk) 18:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)- I have now moved the ones that I could. The rest should be listed at WP:Requested moves. /Grillo (talk) 06:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- In case it wasn't entirely clear, I was arguing that the HSV version is the more common name unless proven otherwise.
Thank you! I absolutely agree on this one. A "högskola" is not equal to a "universitet" as defined by Swedish law, and Wikipedia should stick to the official HSV list rather than to university colleges' PR people. --18:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Anna Friberger Swedish author PROD
I just noticed that the stub on Swedish author Anna Friberger has been proposed for deletion. Deadline 25th April. Finding references for this author in English is not easy. I thought someone over here might care to take an interest.--Plad2 (talk) 21:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think sources in English is the problem here. The existing article is really poorly written. Starting an article "Anna Friberger has worked for over 20 years" is just begging for a deletion request. The first sentence should tell who she is and what she does. The current text doesn't look like an encyclopedic entry. The problem is not the biographed person, but the unskilled creator of that article. --LA2 (talk) 22:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- References in any language should be sufficient... Anyway, she has no article on Swedish Wikipedia, yet. /Grillo (talk) 06:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Date of death of Bo Hansson
Please see Talk:Bo_Hansson#Date_of_death. Thanks, BNutzer (talk) 02:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
On the History of Dala Horses
Swedish vowels are not used consistently in the article on Dala Horses for the names of people and villages. Some names, like Bergkarlas has been "englishified", while the correct name is Bergkarlås. Some parts of the article are repetitive and others may lead to confusion, such as "Today, Nusnäs is the centre of Dala horse production with the most famous being the Nils Olsson and Grannas Olsson workshops. The old-style horses are hand-carved and painted to replicate the style of the antique horses found in Swedish museums or held in private family collections.". While old-style horses are made, these are in a vast minority compared to the new-style and common dala horse, a fact that is not mentioned. There is also a reliable reference for the early production of dala horse that can be found here www.dalahorse.info, but it is in Swedish. May I rewrite portions of the article, and may references to material in Swedish be added? Roenbaeck (talk) 05:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- The answers to those questions are yes, and yes - as long as the references otherwise satisfy WP:RS.
decltype(talk) 05:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)- Thank you, I have now reorganized and rewritten large parts of the article. Would someone who's native tongue is english please read the text and make corrections as necessary? Roenbaeck (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Carl Linnaeus assistance
Hello,
I am currently working on the Carl Linnaeus article to bring it to FA status (although GA will be the first goal). Many improvements have been made already but there is a lot to do still. Basically everything except the Biography section needs an overhaul.
Linnaeus is an important part of this wikiproject and I am wondering if there are anybody here who would like to assist me in bringing it to FA status with me (or just do some editing)? If you are, you're more than welcome to contact me on my talk page or Carl Linnaeus talk page.
Thanks, Esuzu (talk • contribs) 12:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Collapsed sections
I don't quite see the point of having the collapsed sections on the main page. I would like to see at a glance what the page contains. If anything goes beyond what the page can hold, moving it to a subpage would be better. --Hegvald (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. --Skizziktalk 13:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Better? Best regards, Hayden120 (talk) 02:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Nobel Prize, request for opinions (Talk:Nobel Prize#Conductive polymers controversy)
Hello,
The Nobel Prize, one of the most important articles of this project has a dispute which needs to be resolved. I would be happy if people could help by adding their opinions (support or oppose) to the Talk:Nobel Prize#Conductive polymers controversy page. Thank you! Esuzu (talk • contribs) 18:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I have created the Tunnelgatan article based on the Swedish wikipedia page on the topic. Can someone knowledgeable review the new article, and add sources if possible (my Swedish is not close to good enough to find sources) ? Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- I've notified sv:Wikipedia:Projekt Stockholm about your request. Tomas e (talk) 13:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons
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Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
- I have informed the community on svwp. Maybe the community on fiwp should be informed as well? I don't know the language though. /Grillo (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
- There is also a list at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sweden/Cleanup_listing#Unreferenced_BLPs, in chronological order, as part of the useful cleanup listing created by WolterBot. Unfortunately, it is based on dumps, so it is not updated very frequently. The reason why the date the unreferenced BLP template was added is interesting to know is that those biographies who have been tagged as the longest runs the largest risk of PRODding and deletion in the short to medium term. (I think there are actually none left from 2007 within WPSweden, but plenty from early 2008 and on.) Therefore, it would be good if those who want to "dig in" would target the oldest articles, unless they have a specific interest (atheletes, politicians, ...) in which case it might be more interesting to look at such articles. I suppose that between updates, different searches using Catscan can be of some help, for example like this. Tomas e (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
- Tack, bra gjort! Over 200 done in just over a week is fantastic work - easily the most by a single project in the past week. Well done to all who have helped! The-Pope (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
- Just a reminder to everyone that we still have some 40 articles in the category (compared to 551 on 19 March and 91 on the "milestone date" 1 June) - it looks like many of the remaining are people in music and entertainment. Also, newly identified uBLPs are also added to the list from the stock of existing articles, so it's worthwhile to stop by now and then if you'd like to help. And then we of course have the issue of the "refimprove BLP" category of articles. This is where many previously unreferenced articles end up, when references are added for some, but not all, statements in the articles. Tomas e (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The "Royal" Swedish Navy
Now and then there are editors that insist on prefixing "Royal" to the Swedish Navy, which is not part of its official name (Marinen) or that of the Fleet (Flottan), and I've seen some new edits of this type over the last days. Curiously, this prefixing is almost never seen for any of the other services, despite them all being "on the same level", which by the way means no "independent" status since the creation of the Swedish Armed Forces as a single governmental agency in the 1990s. I suppose that some editor think (or hope?) there somehow exists some genuinely royal and independent "Kungliga Flottan" despite the Fleet being a part of the Navy with is a part of the Armed Forces, which is the only of these organisation that is actually immediately subordinate to the government. The term "Royal Swedish Navy" can be correct and definitely tolerated in article text referring exclusively to historical conditions - primarily pre-20th century, but possibly pre-1974 when most of the Kungl. prefixes were removed. However, I think that for consistency, it is time that we remove the "Royal" part from all article names and category names related to the Swedish Navy. I'd like to hear the opinion here (with a crossposting to WPMilHist's Nordic task force) before moving ahead, to minimise the risk of edit-warring. By the way, this does not imply any change the name of the ships of the Swedish Navy, since "HMS" (with its royal connection) actually is the official designation. The articles that would be renamed as part of this would be:
- List of battleships of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of coastal defence ships of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of corvettes of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of cruisers of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of destroyers of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of gunboats of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of mine warfare vessels of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of monitors of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of ships of the line of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of submarines of the Royal Swedish Navy
- List of torpedo boats of the Royal Swedish Navy
And the categories:
- Category:Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Coastal defence ships of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Corvettes of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Cruisers of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Destroyers of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Halland class destroyers of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Minehunters of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Mine warfare vessels of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Monitors of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Patrol vessels of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Royal Swedish Navy lists
- Category:Royal Swedish Navy ship names
- Category:Ships of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Submarines of the Royal Swedish Navy
- Category:Tre Kronor class cruisers of the Royal Swedish Navy
Actually, there is a need for some cleanup and consolidation of these categories, as there is often a category "...of Sweden" as well as a "....of the Royal Swedish Navy", despite being about categories of warships. So in many cases the category should probably be deleted as redundant rather than renamed. Any thoughts or objections or can I just go ahead? Tomas e (talk) 18:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- I've come here from your message at the MILHIST Nordic Task Force, but you will have much better response as well as understanding if you asked WP:SHIPS since that project is the one responsible for the ship and navy article naming plus all the categories you have mentioned. -MBK004 19:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip, I have cross-posted to WPShips, since they may also be interested. However, as to your other comment I must admit to being unaware of the existence of any guideline that would point out one project as more responsible for naming than another when the subject of an article fall under the interest of several projects. Does this exist somewhere? Or did I misunderstand? Tomas e (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
- What I meant was that the current category structure and naming issues that you've called into question was developed and implemented based upon discussion at WP:SHIPS not MILHIST. -MBK004 02:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip, I have cross-posted to WPShips, since they may also be interested. However, as to your other comment I must admit to being unaware of the existence of any guideline that would point out one project as more responsible for naming than another when the subject of an article fall under the interest of several projects. Does this exist somewhere? Or did I misunderstand? Tomas e (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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