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Articles for deletion

Tunku Abdul Hamid Thani

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. No GNG sources. Regarding potential SNG, the only claim is that he is "Tunku Bendaharaof Kedah" Kedah is a state in Malaysia, and there is no mention of that position in that article even though it covers the leadership position in that state in depth. Also could not find anything on that position in a search. North8000 (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Malaysia. Shellwood (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of living former sovereign monarchs

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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY about listing of living monarchs, also largely unsourced. Absolutiva (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Royalty and nobility. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Well this is a shame, an article idea that is simultaneously really interesting but also kinda invented. In order to be a rock-solid idea for a WP article, there ought to be reliable sources that implicitly agree that it's notable by directly covering it. The closest I've found is a list of people who would be heirs[1] (not the same thing exactly) and also a factoid site that went more specific[2] - living former sovereign monarchs from World War II. Good for Final Jeopardy, not yet good enough for WP.

For the other nominated article (almost didn't see it), it's pretty much the same. Lots of articles almost-but-not-quite mentioning the category used in the article. These articles could live on as slightly wider categories, and they seem to be doing so already: [3][4]. Delete both. Wizmut (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of heirs to the throne of Liechtenstein

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No citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Does the nominator mean that there are no citations present, or that it's impossible to find citations to support this list? pburka (talk) 16:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we really need a list of heirs presumptive to a relic of an unholy, non-Italian principality? If yes, then please find at least one more secondary source to get to WP:SIGCOV, and ping me. Bearian (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 19:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of heirs to the Greek throne

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No citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Does the nominator mean that there are no citations present, or that it's impossible to find citations to support this list? pburka (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we really need a list of heirs presumptive to a deposed monarchy? This is a question similar to the list for Liechtenstein. If yes, then please find at least one more secondary source to get to WP:SIGCOV, and ping me. Bearian (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kunwar Sone Singh Ponwar

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Page was created in 2008 and since then only consists of a single sentence. Likely fails WP:GNG. Could redirect to Chhatarpur State#History (Apologies for any Formatting errors). S302921 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Madhya Pradesh. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. What a mess. I see a few Google book references under “Kunwar Sone Shah”, but I’m not sure if they count as significant coverage. I’ve done my fair share of rescues this month, so this is not my circus. Bearian (talk) 06:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A head of state for 31 years is notable and encyclopedic. I added a source. Being a stub is just fine.4meter4 (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but there are clearly rulers with much longer reigns who don't have articles. I agree with the other point since it is common but i think it is best being redirected to Chhatarpur State#History like others have said. Since it is restarting perhaps when i have enough time i will think about expanding this article. S302921 (talk) 08:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There is no inherent notability for rulers (WP:NPOL applies to politicians and judges), and this individual was not even a "head of state" but rather a head of a princely state that was an administrative unit of Raj-era India. The sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS; the one added to the article is three sentences out of a full book plus three passing mentions. He appears in a few other trivial mentions ([5], [6], [7] for example), but I don't see anything that gets close to WP:SIGCOV that would lead to a WP:GNG or WP:NBIO pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of consensus I’ll add that while I support deletion I don’t object to a redirect as suggested above. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael de Orleans e Bragança

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All three sources in the article are passing mentions in relation to his father. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. DrKay (talk) 17:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Brazil. DrKay (talk) 17:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Previous deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafael of Orléans-Braganza. DrKay (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Both English and simple-English Wikipedias contain numerous articles about descendants of the defunct Brazilian royal family—individuals whose encyclopedic relevance is highly questionable, especially considering that many do not even have articles on the Portuguese Wikipedia. There is longstanding evidence of coordinated edits by pro-monarchy groups who create such articles as part of a cross-wiki spam effort, aiming to inflate the prominence of these figures. Sturm (talk) 21:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: He is the future head of the Imperial House of Brazil. I see no reason why he shouldn't have a Wikipedia page. I was surprised that his father didn't have one. GandalfXLD (talk) 22:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just remembered that his older brother, Prince Pedro Luiz, too had a Wikipedia page. GandalfXLD (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- See Wikipedia:Notability is not inherited.98.228.137.44 (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect based on past precedent of keeping deposed monarchs, but requiring significant coverage of the royal person. In my longstanding standards for nobility, I write, “Spouses and minor children of deposed royalty could be notable, because their businesses, charity work, attendance at relatives' notable weddings, or a notable scandal often provides them with media attention.” I don’t see any coverage at all about this young man - it might be just too soon since he was “promoted”. I recommend, as we often do in such cases, to redirect to Brazilian imperial family or another appropriate target. Bearian (talk) 02:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to House of Orléans-Braganza#Vassouras line. I actually think the article is weakened by the addition today of a lot of detail from his brother's article. There's basically nothing in the article about him personally other than his birth. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. As the above poster pointed out, very little is about him personally.98.228.137.44 (talk) 02:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Sturm (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep several relevant news articles that pass WP:GNG.Axisstroke (talk) 11:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which ones? Geschichte (talk) 10:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete outright for lack of sources supporting notability. Rafael may well inherit the throne of Brazil one day, but the notability he's after here cannot be inherited. Fails WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 20:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to House of Orléans-Braganza#Vassouras line per WP:ATD. It's a credible search term at the very least, and a redirect to the House of Orléans-Braganza would seem appropriate as well as a brief passing mention of the subject on that page.4meter4 (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per 4meter4. Mccapra (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - Looks like this one could be a candidate for expansion from the French-language version.[8] estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – There is sufficient WP:SIGCOV in the Brazilian media [9], [10], [11]. Svartner (talk) 20:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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