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25 Jul 2024 – Knights of St Columba (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Coldupnorth (t · c); see discussion (3 participants)
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23 Jul 2024 – Château de Saint-Hubert, Chavenon (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Викидим (t · c); see discussion (4 participants)
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21 Jul 2024 – Prayz Network (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Let'srun (t · c); see discussion (2 participants; relisted)
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Knights of St Columba

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Multiple issues. Wikipedia:Notability not established and does not meet guidelines for Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Additional citations needed since 2014. The 5 references are not sufficient to establish notability given that 4 of them coming from the organisation itself. Coldupnorth (talk) 09:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I feel WP:BEFORE wasn't performed. With a quick glance, a lot material appears in searches. Have a look at this book, albeit not a perfect WP:RS, gives clear notability indications. [1] is clearly indepth coverage, published by Gill and Macmillan. --Soman (talk) 10:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In response, I did a before search for references and Betty's Travel Journals is not even close to sufficient... As for [2] this is the wrong organisation, the Knights of St Columba should not be confused with the Knights of Columbus and Knights of Saint Columbanus which are notable organisations. Coldupnorth (talk) 10:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Selected Manifestations

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Appears to fail WP:NBOOK. Could not find any significant independent coverage of this book in ProQuest or Google. The current article is a mess of WP:OR with (broken) citations including Amazon, auction websites, and library catalogs. Astaire (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. The book does appear to be regarded as a rare book, per this bookseller, with an intriguing history of suppression, which could plausibly have resulted in (print) newspaper coverage in the 80s. However, I couldn't find any such coverage in ProQuest or NewspaperARCHIVE.com . I wish Newspapers.com was currently available because that's where I typically have the best luck for this type of thing. But in the absence of any proper RS, there's no good rationale for a keep. No good merge target either, since the authors do not have articles. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the Newspapers.com tip, I ran a search and there are 23 hits, but none have to do with the book. I agree it seems interesting but with no RS to support it I think it's a delete unfortunately. Astaire (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Château de Saint-Hubert, Chavenon

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There are no sources in the English Wikipedia. The WP:PROD was declined by Necrothesp who pointed to the sources in the French Wikipedia. I have searched each one of the still available ones (for most, these are archive copies, originals are long gone, some archive copies are also lost) for the word "Hubert" and did not find a single one that was related to the mansion. In particular, the first reference in French is to a thesis (almost 20 PDF files had to be downloaded, since the page numbers are not provided in the French article) apparently uses the word "Hubert" in 3 cases: "Alexis-Hubert Jaillot", "Hubert Macé" (twice). I therefore propose that, unless someone can point me to the errors in my source research (with chapter and verse), to Delete the article. Викидим (talk) 16:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Chavenon as ATD. The only source I can find is this. Mccapra (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*:This is a good find, definitely sufficient to create a section in the tiny Chavenon article. Technically, WP:SIGCOV allows for a single source, so a standalone article is possible, but still uncomfortable. Викидим (talk) 00:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mccapra: This is a wrong Chavanon (note the "a" in spelling, with a corresponding article Château du Grand Chavanon), so if this was the only source to be found, there are still no sources whatsoever for the Château de Saint-Hubert, Chavenon. --Викидим (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes you’re right, thanks. Mccapra (talk) 21:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Article subject not important enough. Rockycape (talk) 03:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I can’t find any sources. Mccapra (talk) 22:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have found a listing for "Saint-Hubert" on page 146 and page 296 of Annuaire des chateaux et des villégiatures for 1910–1911. It was owned by Jean Favardin, located 4km from Chavenon and one of 40,000 "chateaux de France, manoirs, castels, villas, etc., etc." in the book, including four addresses near Chavenon. Further 19th-century directories list "Saint-Hubert" in Chavenon, also without significant coverage. TSventon (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYDW

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Fails WP:GNG, requires significant coverage (not mentions in passing or inclusion in lists/directories) in multiple independent secondary sources. Dan arndt (talk) 10:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Paths Radio Network

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Unable to find the requisite in depth coverage for this subject to meet the WP:NCORP guideline. The sources currently in the article mostly are just covering routine business transactions of individual stations, and a search didn't reveal with much better. Let'srun (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of radio stations in North Carolina, the only reasonable redirect target. In a post-2021 environment, this page no longer makes sense. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prayz Network

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Subject does not have the WP:CORPDEPTH needed for a standalone article. The only sources currently in the article are primary and a search elsewhere didn't come up with anything better. Let'srun (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak redirect to List of radio stations in Wisconsin: All of the network's stations are in Wisconsin, and all but one of them (that lone exception being the acquisition of a former non-religious station) were built in the early 2010s — radio stations that new almost never get the significant coverage they would have gotten decades ago. A clear remnant of the "if there's FCC licenses involved, there's some level of notability" stance that was finally shut down by this 2021 RfC (a situation made worse if the network technically falls under the stricter NCORP than GNG). The redirect is only really to preserve this article's own redirects at WTPN, WWJC, and WEQS as {{R to list entry}}s; as "Prayz Network" itself (as opposed to the stations themselves) is not mentioned there, it may be more appropriate to only retarget those particular redirects and delete the article altogether (and to be clear: if it were not for those redirects, this would unambiguously be a delete). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, do not redirect. The consensus threshold for inclusion for radio station articles is much higher today than it was when I created the article in 2015, and I fully agree with Wcquidditch's assessment of the level of notability of the individual stations. Yet, as Wcquidditch also stated, the article's own redirects could be retargeted separate from "Prayz Network", which itself is not mentioned in "List of radio stations in Wisconsin". Moreover, the network holds a permit for a station in Minnesota, making the list article even less appropriate as a target.--Tdl1060 (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Divided between Redirect and Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete On the basis that it might get listed in both List of radio stations in Minnesota and List of radio stations in Wisconsin. HighKing 12:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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