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27 September 2015

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Chaoyangopterus has begun using his older wikipedia account (Falconfly) to edit pages (Hyaenodontidae, various pages on different creodont taxa etc) on Wikipedia. Notice prior to this recent dust-up of activity-- this all happened after attention was brought that he was citing sources as supporting his view when upon review of those papers there is no evidence in any of them that his views are supported at all, FalconFly has been an inactive account. 71.236.93.51 (talk) 22:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see recent edits on Hyaenodontidae. 157.182.165.25 (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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21 November 2017

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Abusively adding WP:OR about the mammal Ichthyoconodon being a flying mammal: [2] [3] Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 22:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by Sir Sputnik as part of the clerk training process. Please allow them to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on their Talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

  • While I won't completely rule out sockpuppetry, there isn't enough to act on here. Their common position isn't so far-fetched that there can't be more than one person trying to add it to Wikipedia, and there are some important differences between the two. Closing without action. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:27, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

28 November 2018

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Good afternoon, a recently banned user, Falconfly appears to have a different account that he is using to push edits that (in part) led to his banning. I believe this is an attempt to circumvent his ban. Aside from general tone similarities (and a vague threatening of legal action here editor also has latched on to the same grievances as Falconfly, using identical language to identical users such as Tarage (see previous, and here). It seems especially unlikely that a user that just joined the project today has extensive knowledge of Tarage's history, just happened to pick articles that Falconfly was involved in, and just happened to add the exact same text Falconfly had attempted to add to no avail. See here and compare with here.

To expand a bit on the history of this page you'll note that it looks like Falconfly has repeatedly used IP socks to avoid the 3RR rule. It is even more relevant given that the source being used is discussed in his nomination for banning. Please also note that several confirmed sockpuppets were noted on the nomination for banning, this is not a new behavior for this user. Squatch347 (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This is Falconfly. Down to not signing his posts and accusing the opposition of spite and now sexism. Shuvuuia (talk) 15:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Given some of the subsequent investigation I'm upping this to  Confirmed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

29 November 2018

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Seems like another morevote sock at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tabiti.[32][33] Krakkos (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed with Krakkos' suspicions. User has a single edit in an article for deletion discussion? That seems an odd place to start your wiki career. Editor also uses superficially similar style to Falconfly and Orientls and very similar style to other Falconfly socks. Squatch347 (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NM, already blocked. Sorry Squatch347 (talk) 17:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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10 December 2018

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This seems like a pretty lazy addition for the sock. Exact same text as added by Falconfly. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vohu_Manah&type=revision&diff=872840577&oldid=871652067&diffmode=source

User has no other edits.

Also recommend deleting edit log addition given that it cite WP:COPYVIOEL from the same fringe site Falconfly loved citing. Squatch347 (talk) 14:16, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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03 February 2019

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Proxy Meat-y IPs edit warring o FF favorites: Tabiti and Scythian religion Praxidicae (talk) 16:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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15 September 2019

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85.240.99.161 has previously been blocked twice for sockpuppetry.[34] The block has since expired. 85.240.99.161 has now returned to restore[35][36] content previously added by Falconfly.[37][38] The threats issued by 85.240.99.161 are similar to another blocked IP sock.[39][40][41][42] Krakkos (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked for six months. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

09 July 2020

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Both IP's are similar and have a similar interest in Palaeontological topics to Falconfly, they are the only editors of Draft:Trigonellites as if they were the same user, .72 has edited Falconfly favourite Ichthyoconodon [43] .192 has created Draft:Parirau ataroa, a draft which solely cites an unpublished pre-print by a certain Carlos Albuquerque, which Falconfly has revealed to be his real name, he states this in the comments section of the pre-print, replying to a critical comment under the name Falconfly, making clear that Falconfly is the same as the author of the paper. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Concur with report. Both IPs are contributing to overlapping drafts and have used the same (very obscure, even for this field) source references form the mid-1800s in german. I bet if we looked we would find the same references being used by Falconfly. Squatch347 (talk) 11:22, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Squatch347, Help me out here. Two different IPs editing the same draft does not a sock make. Can you point out some specific diffs which tie them to Falconfly? I'm not even sure using the same obscure German source is evidence of socking; for all I know, that's the only source that talks about Trigonellites, so anybody interested in them would use that source. There's got to be more than just that. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi sorry for the delay, I was on vacation. I would be willing to go off of the most recent edits, which veer into another area of narrow fringe research (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Icel_of_Mercia&action=history) where the IP is reinstating a previously redirected page (a favorite past-time of Falconfly). However, I think the OP's original reasoning is strongest. The use of an unpublished author exclusively on topics where that author is clearly referencing other work is pretty suspicious. The attempt to insert Albuquerque (Falconfly) into articles when his sole presence in the field are a handful of unpublished papers and a wordpress site isn't something an IP just randomly runs across. Squatch347 (talk) 11:22, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The "two different IPs" are on the same /24 range, 77.99.156.0/24 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). It's patently obvious that they're the same person, but editing from different dynamic IPs on a range does not constitute sockpuppetry (we expect that users' IPs change over time). If you can demonstrate that the IPs (who we can assume to be one user) are making similar edits to Falconfly socks, then there will be something to investigate. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Additional information needed - Moving to "request more info" based on Ivanvector and RoySmith's comments. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if these IPs were being used by Falconfly, I don't see that there's much SPI can do here. CU isn't going to check IPs for socking. We could possibly block them on behavior, but a quick looks says there would be substantial collateral damage, and in any case, such a block would be short-term. I'm afraid WP:AfC will just have to deal with the drafts on their own merits. If there's specific mainspace articles which are being abused, ping me or WP:RFPP and maybe semi-protection will be useful there. Closing with no action taken. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

08 December 2021

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IP address goes to the same localtion in Portugal as an IP previously blocked for being Falconfly 85.240.99.161 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) that was active in 2019. Same interest in Paleontology related topics as previous socks. As with 85.240.99.161, the user does not properly format references, often just adding the url, diff for .161 and diff for .63. The IP is also editing articles that were created or extensively edited by Falconfly, like Djadochtatherioidea and Neochoristodera Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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09 November 2024

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This user appears to be a sockpuppet of Falconfly, a user who was blocked due to legal threats etc. Interest in Mesozoic mammals is especially similar, mentioning Indotriconodon as sister taxon of Volaticotherini which Falconfly multiple times proposed personal fringe theory, and mentioning Schowalteria as one of the largest Mesozoic mammal which Falconfly also claimed. This user also added the claim that non-avian dinosaurs independently acquired powered flight to Flying and gliding animals, while Falconfly proposed non-avian dinosaurs like Velociraptor could fly. Interest in fossil birds and Australian history is also similar. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno, also I will ping for @Shuvuuia: who know about this user well, possibly can find more evidences.
  • Edit in Didelphodon[44]: mentioning Schowalteria as one of the largest Mesozoic mammal at that time. Creator of article of Schowalteria is Falconfly, and article mentioned to be the largest mammal in Mesozoic since initial version.[45]
  • Edits in Flying and gliding animals: Mentioning non-avian dinosaurs have independently acquired powered flight.[46] Falconfly did edits that claims some of dromaeosaurs acquired powered flight.[47] Also Patagomaia fixed typo in section about Volaticotherium[48], which Falconfly did many of edits about this group and proposed fringe theory. Patagomaia also created article of Indotriconodon and claimed it as sister taxon of Volaticotheriidae, image searching already result commissioned reconstruction of "winged" animal based on Falconfly's fringe theory.
  • Edit in Caudipteryx: Mentioning it as "secondarily flightless". Same above.[49]
  • Edits in Insular India: Patagomaia edited this article multiple times.[50] While this article is, first created by Falconfly.[51]
Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 07:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In particular, I would like to add that not many people can confidently say that Schowalteria is the largest mammal of the Mesozoic, because original description is in schweizerbart[52] and basically paywalled and cannot see other than buying paper (proxy does not work for this website), and another research only mention about that a bit.[53] While, Falconfly wrote article of that, assuming he probably was one of the only a few ones actually bought or obtained paper by some way. It's hard to imagine that there are many people like this, and even if that user is one, it's also extremely unlikely that one would make the similar edits as Falconfly coincidencely. Therefore, I think it is highly likely that these users are the same person, or at least related. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 08:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Additional information needed - I could use some specific diffs that make the comparison Ta-tea-two-te-to. Izno (talk) 23:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Evidence is quite weaksauce. A mention of an article created by Falconfly does not make them Falconfly, and those wording about Schowalteria being one of the largest still stands, so they could just be actually reading the article on Schowalteria. Just because Falconfly mentioned powered flight in one of the edits before Patagomaia talked about independently acquiring powered flight. These diffs are not enough behavior evidence to show that they are the same person, so without further evidence I'd suggest closure. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm thinking about the point Izno brought up, but still, the article Schowalteria literally says it is one of the largest. You can't assume everyone has to have read sources for their claims, can you? If they read the Wikipedia article on Schowalteria and it says it was one of the largest, they could have just thought that it said Schowalteria was the largest and believed that. That piece is not good enough to justify a block as a suspected sockpuppet. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Izno: [54] [55] from Falconfly and [56] [57] from Patagomaia are quite similar. Alternating between CS1 and CSVAN with the author listing? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, there's that aspect too. Could also be copy-pasting the suggested reference out of wherever these are being sourced... but we do have this topical overlap also. I'm probably in the realm of "this is probably the same person" at this point. Izno (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I almost commented that I agree with Deadbeef's perspective, but something else that's caught my eye is that Patagomaia uses handmade citations (that honestly look like they were copy-pasted from a CS1 template), which is a behavior that Falconfly appears to have engaged in (though I didn't see any citations that came out of the CS1 templates). Not sure if that's worth weighting in some way given the other overlaps. Izno (talk) 23:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blocking and tagging as suspected per discussion above. Closing. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 08:57, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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