Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 1

January 1

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 1, 2025.

Direct order

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Direct order → Military order (instruction) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Too general of a term to redirect to this specific concept - could be a non-military order, or a shipping order. Rusalkii (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom, due to our lack of content on this precise term in any context. Even if there was content on "direct order" somewhere, it's still ambiguous and in all likelihood too nebulous and general a term for a good disambiguation page. J 947 ‡ ^edits 22:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KPSR (FM)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 9#KPSR (FM)

Angry dad

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Angry dad → I Am Furious (Yellow) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Could also refer to another Simpsons episode: Angry Dad: The Movie; where 'Angry Dad' is the central plot point to both of them. This could be turned into a disambiguation or a section on List of recurring The Simpsons characters. Xeroctic (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Alazon, since the angry father is a stock character, common across many pieces of entertainment. senex iratus (angry father) is covered at Alazon -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is ambiguous, and Alazon isn't the right target for "dad". Angry Dad is red, and Search will help users looking for either Simpsons episode. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete: ambiguous. Veverve (talk) 21:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Term End Exam

Term End Exam → United States Military Academy#Curriculum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; does not seem specific to West Point. Was a 2-line unsourced stub from 2009 that was immediately redirected, would be highly unlikely to survive Afd. Possible retarget possibilities include exam#final exam, but the lowercase term end exam or even term exam don't exist, so deletion is probably best. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

retarget to Academic term where the topic of an end of term exam is mentioned -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's clear why this was created, and it has no current utility. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Did

Did → Dissociative identity disorder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It's not clear whether or not any primary subject has been specified. KOLANO12 3 14:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

retarget to DID (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to DID (disambiguation). 〜 Askarion ✉ 16:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either keep or retarget to Dodecadodecahedron, whose usage of "Did" is lower-cased, whereas every other entry on the dab page uses a normal all caps acronym. If the current target is already primary for the all-caps version, then this should still point there. If you think that it's not primary, then start a move discussion to move the dab page to the base name, at which point, the redirect should target that instead. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that this title and DID do not differ in terms of primary topic; the abbreviation for the polyhedron is too minor to be a contender. I suppose that means keep and tag as {{R avoided double redirect}}. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or move DAB, there doesn't appear to be anything that uses a different capitalization per WP:DIFFCAPS so if there isn't a primary topic the DAB should be moved to the all caps base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I too can't see a different primary topic for Did or did. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, the primary topic would be the past tense of Do (verb). Retarget there and hatnote DID (disambiguation). -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Going to specifically oppose this target, because that is itself a redirect to Do-support, which would result in a bot fixing the double redirect. And the ultimate target is about a grammatical feature of do as an auxiliary verb, and not about the word as a whole. This would be kind of a surprising target for readers, especially being odd to search for the past tense anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree with the view that this and DID aren't different in terms of primary topic. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think we should retarget this to DID (disambiguation) and move the disambiguation page to DID, since I don't think it should redirect to Dissociative identity disorder. CheeseyHead (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Meat and potatoes

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The result of the discussion was delete to encourage article creation. (Seems up Valereee's alley maybe?) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 22:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Meat and potatoes → wiktionary:meat and potatoes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is currently a soft redirect to Wiktionary, which discusses this solely as an idiom. However, this is also a culinary term referring to a class of dishes (see Category:Meat and potatoes dishes, so I don't think the Wiktionary entry covers all of what would be needed here. Hog Farm _Talk 03:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as an WP:XY, maybe even with the possibility for its own article (maybe there's a better target? but not seeing one). A Wiktionary redirect doesn't really address the problem here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This should be an article, but barring that, delete per nom. charlotte ^👸🎄 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's nothing stopping any editor writing an article at the title. It's not WP:XY as a figurative expression, and there's no reason to delete it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft redirects to Wiktionary are almost always harmful. They pollute the search dropdown box and impede searching within Wikipedia, and the target offers no encyclopedic content, despite the fact that WP is an encyclopedia, and not a dictionary. A plain search will still offer a link to Wiktionary for a term that has an entry there, so there's really nothing lost by getting rid of this. Soft redirects also produce blue links instead of red, leading a reader to think there might be more information at the target, when there is in fact none. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let IP guy cook CheeseyHead (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the IP. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Queen of Hearts, the IP, and WP:REDYES. This should absolutely be an article, I'd love to get down to the...well, you know. Tessaract2^Hi! 17:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Beamos

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beamos → Universe of The Legend of Zelda#Enemies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The only mention of "beamos" on all of Wikipedia is in all caps in a reference on Conilee Kirkpatrick, for a totally different subject not discussed on that page. Not useful as a redirect at this time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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B***h

B***h → Bitch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary censorship and not a likely search term. Also, nothing at the target includes any type of censored term. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTCENSORED does not apply to redirects, which are not encyclopedic content, but rather navigational aids that can be used to guide readers from a censored term to the uncensored one. This bit of censorship is pretty common, including in reliable sources, and doesn't seem to be ambiguous with any other censored term, so ~~keep~~. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Bitch (slang) per Skynxnex. The female-dog sense generally isn't censored. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 23:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Tamzin. This is a commonly used censoring of the target word, so we should aid readers who are looking for it. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either keep or retarget to Bitch (slang) to match B****. In any event, they should probably match and so I think that should be bundled? I'll also agree that masked redirects from swears are generally useful (we have many more). Skynxnex (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above; a redirect that goes from a censored term to an explicit one is the opposite of censorship, and this redirect could help someone unfamiliar with that particular form. BugGhost 🦗👻 22:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On further consideration, skynxnex is right that Bitch (slang) is the right article for it to be retargetted to BugGhost 🦗👻 00:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Bitch (slang) per above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As the redirect creator, I agree with retargeting to bitch (slang) per Skynxnex.
Disagree with deletion, as I have seen this term used by many-a kids on the internet who think that they're cool by swearing but don't want to get in trouble with their mothers for ACTUALLY swearing. Oh, and family-friendly youtubers will often censor the term using THIS manner. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, second choice retarget to Bitch (slang). I'm genuinely unsure whether Bitch (slang) is the overwhelming primary topic for bitch when the dog sense is removed from consideration. What pushes me towards retaining the current target is that if the reader is sufficiently puritan to bother censoring bitch in search, they could well be looking for the female dog sense. J 947 ‡ ^edits 22:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Tazmin and Presidentman. CheeseyHead (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GX9

GX9 → Gugudan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gx9 → Gugudan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There's a camera model called the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX9 which is commonly called the GX9 for short, and if I google "GX9", the majority of the search results on the front page are for the camera model and not the music group (which has been disbanded since several years ago). Now I'm just not sure whether to turn GX9 (all upper-caps) into a disambiguation page or to retarget it to the camera model. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate there's also Geely GX9, OneSat GX9 listed at Eurostar (satellite bus), Shaanxi GX-9 variant of the Shaanxi Y-9 ; so 5 entries for the dab page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Definitely disambiguate per IP guy CheeseyHead (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from nominator: I agree with the 65.92.246.77 IP user. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate I'm also in agreement with the IP. Tessaract2^Hi! 17:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Snou Strait

Snou Strait → Chyornye Bratya (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was created as the result of this deletion discussion but the problem remains that I found no evidence that anyone uses this transliteration of the supposed Russian, if only because it's supposedly named after a Mr. Snow, whose name was therefore supposedly transliterated into Russian. We really need to avoid making up fake English names for things through our own transliterations, so this redirect needs to go. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Regardless of the validity of this spelling, an article existed at this title from 2006 until last week. Since then, the spelling has been picked up by several travel sites in both Russian ([1]) and English ([2]) according to my Google searches. I think keeping is warranted given this error has now been in circulation for some time. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, the other way to look at it is that some writer here decided to make up his own transliteration which has enjoyed some extremely limited dissemination by unwary WP copiers. And therefore we should suppress that by refusing to continue to amplify this by deleting the redirect. One could argue that the correct English spelling should be the English name that the Russian is itself transliterating in the firest place, but the fact seems to remain that we don't have a legitimate authority for this. Mangoe (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with you if the article hadn't persisted for so long. That is the main sticking point for me. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There's nothing unusual about systematic romanization from a non-Latin alphabet. Even when we decide for other reasons to prefer a different form (e.g. because of WP:COMMONNAME, or in this case because it's named after Henry James Snow in the first place), a systematic romanization remains plausible. That, along with how long an article existed at the title, leads me to default to keep. Adumbrativus (talk) 00:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan city

Metropolitan city → City (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think this should be returned to the previous version, but I would like a second look. I think the previous version was more helpful. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which version? As a redirect to Metropolitan area, Metropolis, City proper or as a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh lord I didn’t realize that there were that many other version! Either metropolitan city or DAB.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolis is currently at AFD. Retarget to Metropolitan area if it gets deleted (or merged, seemingly), Disambiguate if it doesn't. Tessaract2^Hi! 19:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Panthers

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 18:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Panthers → 2015 Carolina Panthers season (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous, could reasonably refer to 2015 Pittsburgh Panthers football team (or any other sport for the Pittsburgh Panthers in 2015), 2015 Penrith Panthers season, 2015 ASI Panthers season, 2015 FIU Panthers football team, 2015 Georgia State Panthers football team, and more I'm sure. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom. Vague beyond belief. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2026 PDC World Darts Championship

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 18:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026 PDC World Darts Championship → PDC World Darts Championship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, making is a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as too soon. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Greenflipper (talk) 18:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Video clip

Video clip → Music video (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While this is mentioned in the target article, and this should definitely not be deleted, I don't believe that this is the primary topic. Potential disambiguation or retarget? -1ctinus📝🗨 14:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, in French, and I imagine probably some other languages, the English loanword clip is how you say 'music video'. I wonder if that's contributed to the decision to move the longstanding article at this title to Video clip (online media) and retarget the redirect. Either way, it's clear there wasn't consensus for that, so reverse move; send to RM if necessary. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 17:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse the move per above. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Short-form content, along with the plural. CheeseyHead (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

VNITED STATES

VNITED STATES → United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This seems implausible to me. Does the United States have an affinity for this Latin-ish spelling in all caps that somebody would search it up? Weak Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Very implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Svrprisingly, appears as an OCR error in multiple documents hosted on U.S. government websites. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] (Copy-paste the text layers to see, or just google VNITED STATES to get to these.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 17:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, now as usual I am not saying keep because i made the redirect. As @Tamzin stated, the term VNITED STATES has been used before. For example, see this. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete given unusual plus all caps. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as beyond implausible. Giuen the uast swaths of OCR errors, we should absolutely not be creating (or even keeping) redirects based on them. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep OCR errors is a bit iffy. OCR errors in U.S government websites? Now THAT'S a lot less iffy. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per RedactedHumanoid - the spelling (including all caps) is used on a statue in Washington DC. Unambiguous, plausible (someone sees the statue and wants to look it up on wikipedia). BugGhost 🦗👻 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So what? How does that make this a reasonable redirect? Who the fuck is going to type in an all caps Latin-ized version of something they saw on a statue somewhere? Do you even realize how silly this is? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CIVILITY, I'd recommend toning that comment back, 35. 🙏 Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your caution here, but I don't think dropping the occasional "fuck" is per se uncivil, and I think it can even help remind us that we're normal people here and not bureaucrats putting on an air of mock formality in the face of lunacy, and yes, it's okay to let a little frustration show through, sometimes. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On one hand, CIVILITY is an important policy. On the other hand, I don't think 35 was being uncivil with their use of the f-word. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just posted a usage of the term under discussion, in the capital city of the country under discussion, which has been displayed publicly for >100 years. You haven't said why this usage should be ignored or disregarded, or why you consider mentioning it "lunacy". If someone posting a use of a term is this frustrating for you I don't really understand why you subject yourself to RFD. BugGhost 🦗👻 23:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. From a facile perspective, this is absolutely "implausible". But it's a redirect to one of our most popular articles, for which search results are decidedly unhelpful. At that point, anything goes. J 947 ‡ ^edits 22:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@J947 can you reword/re-explain that? I don't grammatically understand what you are trying to say here except for the first sentence. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the linked enwiki search results for "VNITED STATES", they're incredibly scattered and unhelpful, so a redirect serves the reader better. Count this reply as my keep !vote. Tessaract2^Hi! 19:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of people search for United States. Because so many do so, they use a wide range of search terms in the process – "United states"; "Untied States"; or "Unietd States of America", for example. Given the wide range of search terms, many different redirects to United States will be useful; there is much more reason to keep "VNITED STATES" than "NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES LISTINGS IN RAPPAHANNOCK COVNTY, VIRGINIA" due to the vast popularity of United States compared with National Register of Historic Places listings in Rappahannock County, Virginia. That's the gist. J 947 ‡ ^edits 20:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. Thank you. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 01:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It could be plausible as an OCR error or an archaic spelling. And regardless of plausibility or lack thereof, redirects are cheap and it hurts nobody to keep this one (especially since the United States article is so commonly viewed). 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 06:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiii

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The result of the discussion was retarget to WIII. Jay 💬 09:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiii → Wii (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A Raynore329 redirect that didn't get deleted in the mass deletion spree. I personally don't think this is plausible. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a spree; I tried to be very precise about only R3ing the most obviously implausible redirects, so yes there are many left that are questionable but didn't seem speedyable. That said, this actually doesn't seem super implausible, given that Wii is a made-up word with nonstandard orthography, but it is ambiguous with a few things called WIII and I hesitate to invoke WP:DIFFCAPS for a typo, so retarget to WIII, which has a see-also to WII, which in turn includes Wii. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 08:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a much better idea than my proposed deletion User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to WIII per Tamzin. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget given its much easier to search using "i" than "I". Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to WIII as an alt cap. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to WIII per all above. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 06:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mexico City Metro Line C

Mexico City Metro Line C → List of Mexico City Metro lines#Line C (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Although it was proposed in the past, there is no Line C in the MCM system and it is unlikely to exist soon. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 07:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's a sentence about a hypothetical Line C in List of Mexico City Metro lines § Line 12; línea del Bicentenario: Mixcoac – Tláhuac, but it's not entirely clear to me what it's trying to say, and the main article Mexico City Metro Line 12 says nothing about any Line C. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 07:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lines with letters (like the existing A and B) are lines that go to the suburbs outside Mexico City. The system skipped from 9 to A to B to 12 because Line 10 was replaced with BRT buses (Mexico City Metrobús Line 1) and Line 11 was merged into Line B. Line 12 doesn't go outside the city. Line C was meant to run from El Rosario metro station to the municipality of Cuautitlán Izcalli but that plan is unlikely to be completed since that line will be replaced by Mexibús Line 5 in the near future. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Terhan

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hog Farm _Talk 04:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Terhan → Tehran (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

My initial take was that this was a plausible typo, but per Google this appears to be a somewhat common first name, so it may be surprising to have it redirect to the city. At the same time, there doesn't seem to be anything encyclopedic to write about it as a name. Weak delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, direct application of this spelling as a first name overrules rare probabilities for this particular letter-swap typo. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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FirstName LastInitial redirects for presidents

John T → John Tyler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Barack O → Barack Obama (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Donald T → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Rutherford H → Rutherford B. Hayes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Rutherford B → Rutherford B. Hayes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

None of these are common ways to refer to the person in question, and, with the exception of Barack O, all are ambiguous. (Barack redirects to Barack Obama; Rutherford, while an uncommon name, still has no primary topic.) Weak delete Barack O, strong delete rest. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 29 § Joe B. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all These not helpful because there is no reason anyone would think these made-up abbreviations would work. How about "Donald T.", "Don T" and "Donald J.T."? Redirects cannot be a substitute for searching. Johnuniq (talk) 04:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete all as vague, unused bunk. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the article for John T. Ford comes up as Images results at the top of Google and the article John T. Chambers comes up in the middle. For Barack O all the results are indeed for Obama as with Donald T. For Rutherford H most results are for Rutherford Platt but for Rutherford B only Hayes comes up. I'd definitely say the 1st and 3rd should be deletd and I'd say weakly for the others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Barack O, delete the rest. As Barack targets Barack Obama, "Barack O" becomes unambiguous and pointing at the correct location. "[First name] [Last initial]" is a common way of searching for names, but the only requirement at that point is that the combination needs to be unambiguously pointing at the right location for it to work well. For Barack O, it is. For the rest, it is not, and thereby the rest can be deleted.

(People who are unfamiliar with the targets of redirects might assume the first name of "Barack" is ambiguous, and might add the letter "O" for good measure to make sure they end up at the right location. To that end, this particular title can assist searches.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely delete John T (John Travolta?) and Donald T (Donald Tusk?) as way too ambiguous. Weak delete the Rutherford ones as potentially ambiguous and not very useful. No strong opinion on Barack O – seems unambiguous but isn't very useful for searching either. Virtually anyone who remembers "Barack O" will also remember the rest of the man's last name. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Barack O and keep Rutherford B (both clear primary/sole topics), weak keep Donald T (other Donald T's exist but Trump is arguably primary topic), delete John T and Rutherford H. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 06:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional monarchy (2nd nomination)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy delete. CSD G6 -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 22:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional monarchy (2nd nomination) → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional monarchy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The first nomination of this article was placed on this page as the 2nd nomination but the discussion has been moved to its proper location. However, the existence of this redirect page means that if this article is nominated again in the future, it will be called the 3rd nomination unless this redirect is deleted. There is no page history here that needs to be preserved. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should be eligible for {{Db-g6}}. I've gone ahead and bypassed any links that would break if this redirect was deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 06:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete created in error and could as noted cause confusion (given in the box on the right it links to this page suggesting there is a 2nd nomination) and technical problems, tagged as such. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"Summer"

"Summer" → Summer (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Era" → Era (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Dawn" → Dawn (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Gas" → Gas (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"GAS" → Gas (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Nitro" → Nitro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Future" → Future (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 8 § heaps of examples – delete
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 August 25 § "Me and Charlie Talking" → Kerosene (album) – delete
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 29 § "I Got My" – delete
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20 § Several redirects that have wiki markup in their titles – delete
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 13 § 29 redirects fully enclosed in quotation marks – no consensus
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 2 § "John" – no consensus
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 14 § "Pop" – delete
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 2 § "John" – keep
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 6 § "Undead" (Yoasobi song) – delete

Recently created WP:UNNATURAL quotes. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Delete all" per nom and WP:UNNATURAL. This is an implausible use of quotation marks, and I'm not sure people will be searching for any of these topics with this stylization. "Regards, SONIC 678" 03:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sonic678: Simple Question. How do I search for "Summer" instead of "summer"? gtp (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everybody and thanks to who mentioned me. My (bold) creation was a mean to raise questions about how to perform case-sensitive searches. The whole issue starts from the fact that low case pages does not exist on wiki (I assume) /wiki/summer is a (hidden) redirect to /wiki/Summer. I know you know. gtp (talk) 12:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amongst the limitations of MediaWiki search engine is that it is case-insensitive: so searching "Apple" and "apple" produce the same results, and there is no way around that to the best of my knowledge. J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, but these people are impossible to discuss with. More focused on find an "exotic" PER (cause) to revert than interested in the argument. Thank you again mate, I appreciated. gtp (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Punctuation is mentioned at WP:RPURPOSE but that is for likely confusion over what kind of dash might be in a title. Handling excess punctuation is not a purpose of redirects. Johnuniq (talk) 04:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Redirects like these have been deleted in the past, and none of them are specifically stylized in quotes. "Nitro" MAY be a VERY weak redirect to Discord#Monetization, because I've seen some people call it "Nitro" but that's a VERY weak redirect nom. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all except "GAS": delete that one. There is longstanding consensus to keep this type of redirect as the quotation marks function as replacements for italics. This is especially relevant for song titles, so you can see many examples of "Summer" at Summer (disambiguation). J 947 ‡ ^edits 08:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why should "GAS" in particular be deleted? User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As there is no italicised work referred to in capital letters at its target, so it is unlikely to ever be useful. J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@J947 - Gas (musician) stylises in all caps, with his first album also being called Gas (also stylised as GAS on the cover). Reliable sources refer to the musician in all caps, eg Pitchfork - Wolfgang Voigt Announces First New GAS Album in 17 Years. BugGhost 🦗👻 14:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all: Per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per above since we've deleted similar in the past. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 02:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a search and posted previous RfDs for song titles enclosed by quotation marks above. The upshot is that these have had differing results in recent times (and I'm sure there's more examples I haven't been able to find). There is concern over how the quotes may impede the search engine in some of these RfDs. J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unnecessary punctuation targeting to DAB. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above comment is the nomination statement of a duplicate nomination that is now merged that included five of these redirects and had the addition of "Future", which was not initially part of this nomination. 1ctinus, please ensure you tag all the redirects next time (which can be accomplished more easily through the use of the userscript WP:MASSXFD) so this does not reoccur. J 947 ‡ ^edits 04:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all: Most of these hadn't been tagged for deletion until I found them today, so I nominated all for deletion. An argument could be made if they were song titles or something, but even then, we don't have "I Knew You Were Trouble" or "Hurt". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all of these unnatural titles. Quotes in redirects interfere with title-matching searches and are generally discouraged. These new creations don't seem to be worth the maintenance cost. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Delete" per previous discussions. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You will delete, but the problem of somebody who would like to search for Summer instead of summer will remain. gtp (talk) 10:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; this phrasing is just as likely to be used by someone trying to search for the exact string like in a search engine, rather than trying to search for italics; if this exists it's going to be actively hampering for someone who types this directly into the search bar looking for the string. Hog Farm _Talk 04:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you search "Universe" in the search bar you will be directed to Universe, not "Universe" or search results (which is annoying in and of itself). J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@J I appreciate again, found out this discussion is unuseful. These people don't read, they are vigilantes, here to maintain the status quo. Originally, mine, was just a way to focus on the simple problem i would like to search for word instead than Word. gtp (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deadliest plane crash in South Korea

Deadliest plane crash in South Korea → Jeju Air Flight 2216 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Wikipedia is not google. Redirects that are "x in x" are typically not kept. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: To my knowledge, we do not have other redirects like this. For instance, we don't have Deadliest snake or Deadliest_tornado. I can't imagine trying to keep up with a redirect like this if a new crash becomes the deadliest, for example. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not Google, we don't turn facts about articles into redirects to the articles. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete possible WP:PANDORA and such facts can change easily thus such redirects would require lots of maintenance not necessarily that lots of maintenance is a good reason to delete on its own though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remember deadliest plane crash? That's a redirect to Tenerife airport disaster. If it's fine on that article, then why is "deadliest plane crash in South Korea" not fine on Jeju Air Flight 2216? TG-ARTICLE Well, if you want to talk to me, then why don't you click this button? There's also my contributions. 20:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it fine on that article? The deadliest plane crash is American Airlines Flight 11. Retarget to List of deadliest aircraft accidents and incidents. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flight 11 was a terrorist attack, not an accident. ThisGuy (talk to me // contributions) 21:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect is "deadlist plane crash". American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the World Trace Center. The fact that it was deliberate instead of an accident doesn't change that. SSSB (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or retarget to List of deadliest aircraft accidents and incidents. This would open up a WP:PANDORA of "Deadlist x in y" redirects, which would be near impossible to moniter and keep upto date. Wikipedia is an online encylopedia, not a search engine and therefore this redirect would be entirely unencylopdic, and potential fall foul of WP:CROSSCAT. SSSB (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toronbo Shores

Toronbo Shores → The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep if mention is added, otherwise delete If I hadn't have had the foresight to look it up on zeldawiki, I would've treated this as a redirect to a target that makes no sense to the target. However, this IS a Zelda place that IS in TLoZ:LA (and IT'S remakes), so it might be worthy of a mention. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. gotta be honest, i don't think it's worth a mention on a featured article. also dip all of someone's socks in water for using "it's" as the possessive form of "it" consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 11:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]