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Category:Russian military personnel of the war in Donbas

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Nominator's rationale: This is a subcategory of Category:Pro-Russian people of the war in Donbas and has a subcategory Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas. The War in Donbas involved Russian separatist forces in Ukraine who were not all part of the Russian military.
An alternative would be to change Category:Pro-Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas to Category:Russian military personnel killed in the war in Donbas as proposed as a speedy nomination.
Related speedy discussion
TSventon (talk) 20:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Just purge?
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Military families by nationality

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Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Salvadoran families and other subcategories of category:Business families by country. Moved from Speedy after objection. Mike Selinker (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mike Selinker: Wouldn't C2C dictate that the categories above should stay xyz families by Country, instead of switching to Country xyz families? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just following up about this @Mike Selinker. To be clear though, my objection/question starts from military families onwards. I don't have an opinion on the other family nominations above that. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd argue that the precedent is in the "[Nationality] families" scheme. But I could see it going either way.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A looooot of these categories are inappropriate intersections between the people by country and people by nationality tree. I think we first need to decide in which of these two trees we want the business families and military families to be in, because it cannot be both. Country is probably more important than nationality: business people can have nationality A while running well-known businesses in country B, and soldiers with nationality A can serve as mercenaries for country B. The country you serve, or the country you operate your business in, is probably more WP:DEFINING for you as a person or family, or that society you work in/for, than the flag in your passport. NLeeuw (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The suggested renaming obfuscates the fact that the categorization should be by nationality, not by ethnicity. Categorization by ethnicity should be for things inherently cultural/antropological. --Altenmann >talk 09:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it should be by nationality either, but by country (see my comment above). NLeeuw (talk) 01:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I seriously considered closing this as no consensus; WP:RELISTing seemed unlikely to help. I suspect that this is heading towards no consensus, but I will let this play out. Responses to NLeeuw's comment would be appreciated, as would more participation.
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Windmills 1400-1800

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more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge, up to 1800 these are mostly one-article categories, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - Although my gut feeling was to keep, having so many categories with only one or two articles in seems overkill. In most cases, I don't see there being much impact from merging these categories as proposed. Gazamp (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs more participation to form consensus.
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Category:Boycotts of apartheid South Africa

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Nominator's rationale: rename, better grammar. (I am definitely open to other suggestions.) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Premierships in Canada

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Nominator's rationale: Differentiation from subnational premierships. RedBlueGreen93 00:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category lists articles from both of Macdonald's non-consecutive terms as prime minister. RedBlueGreen93 00:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category lists articles from both of Trudeau's non-consecutive terms as prime minister. RedBlueGreen93 00:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category lists articles from both of Duplessis's non-consecutive terms as premier. RedBlueGreen93 00:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or split?
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Category:Slavery in Italy

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or delete?
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Virtual reality -> Extended reality

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Nominator's rationale: Those categories should cover the broader reality-virtuality continuum, so that's why i'm proposing a mass-rename of several virtual reality-related categories. Especially that the mixed reality market has started booming after Apple's $3499 magnum opus and Meta's first ever consumer-oriented mixed reality headset. However, the case with "Virtual reality pioneers -> Extended reality people" is that they are not exclusively pioneering those technologies but can have various different associations with them. Oh, and, also that there are barely any augmented or mixed reality-related categories. 67.209.128.52 (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1st century BC in Judea

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Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated category with one subcategory only. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is the split (as proposed by Fayentatic london) a good alternative?
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@The Bushranger, Fram, and Jc37: Thoughts on the split proposal? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to the split. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A Roman province isn't a country. Noting also that we have separate articles on Judea and Judaea (Roman province). Noting also that the province included more than merely the region Judea. So no, we shouldn't be categorizing Roman provinces under "by country". And of course, a "region" isn't a "country". We shouldn't ever categorise things based upon our "convenience".
All that said, Fayenatic london's solution appears to address the issue by multiple merge targets into existing category structure. So, support. - jc37 01:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Female murder–suicides

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Nominator's rationale: I'm usually of the opinion that in criminology, gender does tend to be a fairly discussed intersection, but this makes no sense. The murder-suicide categories are not strictly for the perpetrators of the events. Is a "female murder-suicide" supposed to be female perpetrators of murder suicides, or victims? By who is tagged here, this is clearly trying to be the perpetrators, but that's too ambiguous, and doesn't match up with the way any of the other murder-suicide categories are used. This is also a very specific intersection and one I am not sure is defining, unlike murderers generally. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep / oppose deletion. This is very clearly supposed to be about women who commit murder-suicide. I'm not sure what your confusion is about? If Category:Female murderers and Category:Female suicides are defining on the basis of gender and cause of death, then why not when they happen simultaneously? Especially considering how rare it is for women to commit a murder-suicide, news of such events are notable enough to get articles, and thus a category to contain them. Especially for the subcategory Category:Female suicide bombers. AHI-3000 (talk) 09:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not very clear, the title is ambiguous. A female murder-suicide could just as easily be one where a woman is a victim. The murder-suicides category is applicable to articles on victims and event based articles as well.
It is not defining, there is no category tree for "murder-suicide perpetrators" which is what this is trying to be. The subcategory is fine because we already have the suicide bombers category tree. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick, what do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It seems to cover only women who commit murder-suicide. No confusion there. Dimadick (talk) 01:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick In contradiction to every other category in this tree - every other one is for both perpetrators, events and victims. Why would the victims be excluded from the scope of this category, when it is not obvious by the name, and all other similarly named categories have a different scope? Why are we only tagging people and not events? We have no tree for murder-suicide perpetrators. When I read this, I thought it was for femicides. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You thought it was a duplicate category? Femicides are covered in Category:Femicide. Dimadick (talk) 11:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dimadick A femicide is not always a murder suicide. I thought this was about femicide murder-suicides, which are discussed in literature. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not my fault you're confused about the scope of this, it's been made clear that this category is for individuals who committed both murder and suicide. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AHI-3000 Then the category should be renamed to reflect its scope, as “Female perpetrators of murder–suicides”, instead of masquerading as an event-based category when it’s really trying to be a person category. I still don’t think this is defining but it’s at least clear. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: I'm fine with a renaming if that's what you really wanted in the first place. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: Though "Female murder–suicide perpetrators" would be better and shorter than what you suggested. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AHI-3000 Yeah that’s better. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: Do you prefer to have this category deleted or renamed? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AHI-3000 My issues with this category are twofold:
  • Misleading, in that its actual scope is not clearly indicated by its title. This would be solved with a renaming.
  • How defining is "Murder–suicide perpetrators" vs murderers? I feel that this existing as a "female" subcategory of...a category we do not have, is odd. Is "Murder–suicide perpetrators" itself a defining category? Or murder-suicide victims? If this is changed to that, I feel those categories would follow. It's not obviously trivial, but I am not sure how others would feel about it. The way we handle the murder-suicide categories is very odd in that we have victims, perpetrators and events all lumped together, but since it's such a broad category I have never known how to deal with it.
So a rename would be a major improvement over it being kept as is but the implications of this category concern me. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: Instead of just deletion, could you modify the proposal for the optional possibility of renaming it too? AHI-3000 (talk) 18:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Appears to be rough consensus to rename to something like "Female perpetrators of murder–suicides", but further discussion is needed to determine the exact naming scheme to be used.
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I still oppose deletion no matter what. I am neutral/ambivalent about renaming this category, it doesn't really matter to me whether the name stays the same or not. If we do choose to rename, I think "Female murder-suicide perpetrators" is much better than "Female perpetrators of murder-suicides", because the former name would be shorter, faster and catchier to say than the latter name. AHI-3000 (talk) 04:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that if we keep it AHI-3000's proposed name is better. I still have concerns over whether this will create a whole new tree by existing and how defining it is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other concern is that there are hardly any biographies about female murder-suicide perpetrators, articles are primarily about the event, not about the perpetrator (who is non-notable apart from the event). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, that isn't much of a concern to me. The way categorizing crimes like this works is inherently wonky - the crime and the person are so closely related notability wise that it makes sense to do it this way. Often sources about events like these will almost entirely be on the perpetrator but we write it event based because of policy, or the event will just be called "person's name murder case" or the like. Hence such categories are reasonably defining - I just wonder about this specific crime since it overlaps so much with murder. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Blacksheep original programming

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Nominator's rationale: delete, single-article category while the channel does not even have an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Autological words

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Nominator's rationale: This requires some head-wrapping, but this category is a set category, so all articles in this category must be about an autological word. However, per WP:UMD, these articles aren't about specific words. For example, the article Noun is in this category, and indeed the word "Noun" is autological. But the article is about nouns in general, and nouns aren't per se autological.
Besides, a word being autological is merely a nerdy curiosity, and although I too am a nerd, I don't think anyone browsing Wikipedia is helped by this category. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Filmed deaths during transport disasters

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and WP:NARROWCAT. "Disaster" is a subjective term as applied to transport accidents, and most are not widely described as such. Additionally, I propose that this category should be upmerged directly under the Category:Filmed deaths category tree. Carguychris (talk) 19:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Yoon Suk Yeol government

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Nominator's rationale: To match in line with categories about presidencies of other nations like the United States. The President of South Korea is the head of state and government like that of the President of the United States. Categories with the name of the head of government is the prime minister and is the head of government in most nations.
All categories here are not of prime ministers of South Korea, but the presidents. And it should be reflected as such with the names of the categories nominated. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per C2C. This is also needed because the Prime Minister of South Korea is a separate office. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball venues by competition

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Nominator's rationale: This is a more accurate name. 29 of the 30 categories are for ballparks in a certain league, wieth the lone exception being Category:College World Series venues which can be reparented. User:Namiba 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball players from Juniata County, Pennsylvania

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Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 14:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Christians

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Nominator's rationale: merge, unnecessary and arbitrary distinction, nothing became different about being a Christian or about sainthood at the Council of Nicea. The Edict of Milan was probably more impactful on being a Christian, but still it does not make too much sense to create container categories for three and two centuries respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Funk carioca genres

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Nominator's rationale: Consistent with pt:categoria:Gêneros de funk brasileiro. This is more accurate since carioca implies related to Rio de Janeiro, and not every subgenre is carioca. Example, Funk ostentação () and Funk ousadia are highly associated with São Paulo instead. LIrala (talk) 04:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People who have been placed under house arrest in Iran

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Nominator's rationale: Being arrested isn't defining. SMasonGarrison 03:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. House arrest is a form of detainment post-conviction, but we do not even have Category:House arrest. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:America's Classics winners that have closed

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Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Defunct restaurants and subcategories. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm totally fine with that. Jjazz76 (talk) 03:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Then hoping for a speedy rename here. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African-American women centenarians

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Nominator's rationale: Similar to recent case of Category:Jewish centenarians by gender, I don't think we should be splitting this intersection by gender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_13 SMasonGarrison 01:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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