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Category:Daystar (TV network) affiliates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:3rd-century BC women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:4th-century BC women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:9th-century BC women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: rename and reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 08:28, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Utica Pentups players

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are three separate categories for players on the same minor league baseball team with the only difference being formatting. They are Category:Utica Pent Ups players, Category:Utica Pentups players and Category:Utica Pent-Ups players. While it is policy to have different categories for the same team when it changes names (e.g. Category:Washington Commanders players and Category:Washington Redskins players), the distinction here is so minute that I don't think it justifies having three separate categories. It should also be taken into consideration that this team played in an era when team nicknames were far from official and could be formatted differently within the same newspaper article (if the nickname was used at all). The corresponding article name is Utica Pent-Ups and that seems the most reasonable target category to me; it seems to be a happy medium between "Pent Ups" with a space and no hyphen and "Pentups" with no space or hyphen. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 18:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I'm sorry for creating two separate nominations but Twinkle didn't give me an option to propose merging more than two categories. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 18:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Utica Pent Ups players

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are three separate categories for players on the same minor league baseball team with the only difference being formatting. They are Category:Utica Pent Ups players, Category:Utica Pentups players and Category:Utica Pent-Ups players. While it is policy to have different categories for the same team when it changes names (e.g. Category:Washington Commanders players and Category:Washington Redskins players), the distinction here is so minute that I don't think it justifies having three separate categories. It should also be taken into consideration that this team played in an era when team nicknames were far from official and could be formatted differently within the same newspaper article (if the nickname was used at all). The corresponding article name is Utica Pent-Ups and that seems the most reasonable target category to me; it seems to be a happy medium between "Pent Ups" with a space and no hyphen and "Pentups" with no space or hyphen. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defence organisations based in Barbados

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Defence/Defense organisations/organizations" is ambigious name. E.g. we have "Civil defence organisations", but not the case here Estopedist1 (talk) 14:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Polish manuscripts

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 4#Category:Polish manuscripts

Category:Manuscripts in Cambridge

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 4#Category:Manuscripts in Cambridge

Emigrants from Ireland (1801-1923)

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed by BrownHairedGirl (talk · contribs). (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:51, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To correspond with the parent Category:People from Ireland (1801-1923) which is the period from the end of the absorption of the Kingdom of Ireland into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until it attained / regained sovereignty as the Irish Free State. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's simpler. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Explanation of the structure of Irish biographical categories
For examples of how this is done in other Irish biographical categories see
Hundreds of biographical category trees use this structure. The "before 1923" subcats in some emigrant categories was created by an American editor who appears to have been unfamiliar with Irish categorisation.
Note that the Northern Ireland Fooers categories are also subcats of the relevant UK category: e.g. Category:Lawyers from Northern Ireland is a subcat of both Category:Irish lawyers and Category:British lawyers. There is a widely-used template to implement this: {{Fooers from Northern Ireland}}.
The respects the the political consensus in both parts of Ireland to respect the assertion in the Good Friday Agreement of the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both".
This structure is stable and uncontroversial. If it works for lawyers, medical doctors, scientists, writers and many other occupations, there is no reason why it cannot also work for emigrants -- as it did until these "Emigrants before 1923" subcats were created without discussion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • That sounds like an attempt to de-ligitimise the entire Category:Emigrants from former countries tree structure. Ireland is a former country of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland"; so is the Kingdom of Great Britain, which is why it has its own category of Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Great Britain. This nom is just a scope clarifiation with a "from" date. If BHG wants a wider nom to de-legitimise an entire tree structure, she should create a new set of noms and quit trying to hijack this nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sigh. No of course it's not any such attempt.
    And please withdraw that absurd allegation of a "hijack". Proposing an alternative action is a routine part of XFD discussions, as you should know very well after your many years at CFD ... and your allegation is just another of your disruptive attempts to add acrimony to a CFD debate and to maliciously allege a non-existent motive.
    This discussion just about Ireland, and in particular about the very very very very simple fact which you seem resolutely determined to ignore: that "Irish people" has throughout history referred to people from the island of Ireland, and that the scope of the term "Irish people" was unchanged by the Act of Union 1801.
    If you want to chop up all the biographical categories for Irish people into the subcats for the various states and regimes which have existed on the island of Ireland, then open a WP:RFC where you can set out your case for why we should divide emigrants, lawyers, clergy, writers, lawyers, nuns, medics, farmer, businesspeople etc in this way. There you can explain why this carve-up would improve navigation, which is the central purpose of categories. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarity 2 (1) It's my anointed role in Wiki to make BHG sigh. Job done. (2) There is no conflict. (3) This is not a delete or merge nom. (4) The nomination is just putting a pre-date where there is currently just a post date. It was clearly the intent of the category that such a start date existed. The nomination does no more than make the implicit explicit. (5) The existence of the dates in the current title points to the political nature of the current category, not the ethno-cultural nature of of it (it has none). In short, the scope is about states not ethno-cultural blocks. (6) Sister categories like Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Austrian examples show that this is a valid thing to do. See also Category:History of Ireland (1801–1923). (7) This is not the place to attempt to de-ligitimise the entire Category:Emigrants from former countries tree structure. Such an attempt ought to be the subject of an entirely different set of nominations. (8) Brace yourselves for more sighing and possibly worse. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sigh.
    Laurel Lodged continues to ignore the very very very very simple fact that the scope of the term "Irish people" did not change in 1801 ... so there is no need for a split.
    Th rest of LL's comment is irrelevant hot air maliciously false allegations, and is explicit about their desire to troll me. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I kindly ask the involved editors to refrain from commenting on each other's behaviour. Please note that assuming good faith is still the expected behaviour and that accusing other people of being too sensitive is at least uncivil. If there is a need to resolve any long-term harassment, the place is elsewhere. --TadejM my talk 06:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles with example Python (programming language) code

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: So it is named similarly to the other categories with example code. Frap (talk) 09:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Marine reserves of Malta

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Only sibling has already proper categories Estopedist1 (talk) 08:37, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Irish literature by period

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, 0 C, 2 P; plus "Irish literature" is in the "by country" tree (Ireland), while Early Irish literature and modern literature in Irish are in the Category:Literature by language tree (Irish language). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Irish texts

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) --Qwerfjkltalk 11:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C per parent Category:Texts by language and child Category:Irish-language works (which I just added, so it doesn't really count). Child Category:Texts of medieval Ireland (which I've also CfR'd) is not Irish-language-based, as its grandchild Category:Latin texts of medieval Ireland shows. So child Category:Texts of medieval Ireland must be removed. Finally, parent Category:History of literature in Ireland is inadequate, because Irish-language texts can be written outside Ireland, and literature in Ireland can be written in Latin, English etc., so re-parenting to Category:Irish language is due. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Texts of medieval Ireland

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 5#Category:Texts of medieval Ireland

Category:Maltese medallists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 08:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Malta in the arts and media

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry.

To be noticed that we have three such-named categories yet which probably should be merged/deleted/re-organized:

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Category:Entrenchments in Malta

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Entrenchments in" Foo country is unique name. We even don't have the parent Category:Entrenchments Estopedist1 (talk) 06:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Traditional medicine in the Maldives

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 05:48, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International baseball competitions hosted by France

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (3 P). –Aidan721 (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Object: With three articles it is not a "small" category and anyway it is part of a category tree for "International baseball competitions hosted by country” which includes 24 countries! Why leave one country out? Team sports like baseball or cricket are more likely to have international competitions competed for by a country team than sports often competed for by individual sports people.like boxing or judo. Hugo999 (talk) 11:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 05:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The merge targets Hugo999 identified make sense, if we end up merging this cat. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Mineralogists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:SMALLCAT is for categories with limited or no expectation or possibility of growth (such as Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor). These categories do not fit that criteria. All have potential for growth. I also don't see what the cut off point is: Category:Danish mineralogists has five entries, Category:Finnish mineralogists has four entries. Plus, I personally find it easier to navigate by specific terms. ExRat (talk) 05:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious delete. We do create categories if we already have members, 5 members are good, 3 are acceptable. If 1-2 members, almost alwyays to be deleted. Pinging the keeper user:ExRat--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That isn't what WP:SMALLCAT states at all. WP:SMALLCAT is for categories that have no potential for growth. It is for categories that are, by nature, extremely limited and can't possibly ever be enlarged. Examples would be Category:Xhosa-speaking countries or Category:Norwegians who fought in the Second Upper Peru campaign, which are limited in nature and can never be enlarged. All of the nominations have potential to be enlarged and don't fit the SMALLCAT criteria. ExRat (talk) 06:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks for pointing this out. I have added a few words on that in Valentin Vodnik (the source contains: "he had the opportunity to combine his love for the mountains with his interest in mineralogy where he invested a lot of his time"), whereas the other article contains reference No. 3, which explicitly states that he studied "in Ljubljana at the Faculty of Natural Sciences, Department of Mineralogy" and then worked as a junior researcher. --TadejM my talk 02:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Albin Jarić - being a student of mineralogy does not make one a mineralogist; his research was at "the Metallurgical and Mining Institute" (which does not make him a metallurgist or a miner either). Was he notable as a mineralogist: obviously not. Oculi (talk) 13:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a discussion about categories. We're not discussing notability but whether mineralogy is defining for him. Obviously he was a mineralogist since he studied at the department of mineralogy and then people employed in mining/metallurgy also frequently research mineralogy. You're trying to split the indivisible here. --TadejM my talk 01:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't follow your logic. It's clearly stated that he completed hia studies and worked as a junior researcher. --TadejM my talk 10:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I have added another article which is available at Stanko Grafenauer. I can add more. --TadejM my talk 03:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now with no objection to recreating cats later if they ever reach 5 articles that belong there. The "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" exception in WP:SMALLCAT does not endorse having whole trees of underpopulated subcatgories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's exactly what it does - what is the point of it otherwise? Johnbod (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that an incidental subcategory in an otherwise (nearly) complete tree is omitted. This tree is far from complete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Different editors see this differently; for example, the number of at least 3 members is mentioned above which seems reasonable to me. In addition, per WP:SMALLCAT, the category must have some potential for growth. --TadejM my talk 15:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • If a few small categories are needed to complete a set, I'm all for that. But if most of the categories are anemic, that's not an "accepted sub-categorization scheme" and it makes navigation choppier for readers. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Systems and Category:Conceptual systems

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 5#Category:Systems and Category:Conceptual systems

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