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Category:Extended centaurs

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects, but in light of the result of the discussion immediately below this one, merge to Category:Centaurs (small Solar System bodies) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category was created as "Ejected Centaurs", and moved without discussion without formal discussion to "extended centaurs". Centaurs are, in non-technical language, things between comets and asteroids. On some definitions centaurs are within Neptune's orbit. The members of this category are considered centaurs by other definitions, even though they are Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. – Fayenatic London 23:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • To nominator "Trans-Neptunian centaurs", is this term ever used in literature? A quick google search only gives me two hits of minor importance, while Extended centaur seems well documented. Also ping @Exoplanetaryscience:, just in case. — Rfassbind – talk 07:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment As an add-on to this: The nominator's description seems to indicate that centaurs are a mutually exclusive orbital body to trans-Neptunian objects, and this is simply not the case. Centaurs are simply defined as any object whose average orbit is beyond Jupiter but closest point is within Neptune, and not in an orbital resonance with one of these planets (hence Pluto and the rest of the Plutinos do not count, nor do the Uranus or Neptune trojans) whereas a trans-Neptunian object is just any asteroid whose orbit goes beyond Neptune. All this is to say that they are all still technically centaurs, even if individual articles do not say as such. I've also definitely seen the term "extended centaur" used quite prevalently in scientific literature. Still, I don't have strong opinions one way or another. They are the same thing regardless. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment This classifications is based on the simulated behavior of the orbit when extended over 10 million years. The extended centaurs are non-resonant objects whose closest approach to the Sun is less than the semi-major axis of Neptune (~30 AU) at any time during the simulation. But since creating the category the Minor Planet Center has combined Centaurs and Scattered-Disk Objects into a single generic list making the category much less Wikipedia-friendly. Changing it to "Trans-Neptunian centaurs" might make more sense for people taking a quick glance at a category. This category (the semantics) has driven me crazy for 5 years. -- Kheider (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I took more than a quick glance: I read the page history and the talk page, and there was no indication of any discussion anywhere. It would have helped if some clues had at least been left in edit summaries. I only noticed the discussion on your user talk page when I went to give specific notice of this nomination to editors who had worked on the category page. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the above comments, it seems that the intersection between centaurs and Trans-Neptunian objects is not a clearly recognized class of objects. If that is correct, then merge the category to its parents Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Centaurs (minor planets)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename, corresponding to centaur (small Solar System body). This could be nominated speedily, WP:C2D, but I am listing it on this page for completeness along with two of its sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Politicians from Hopkinton, Rhode Island

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small community (Under 10,000) people with just four entries. In fact this subcategory has more entries than its parent. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pop-folk albums

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 13#Category:Pop-folk_albums

Category:People from Moreau, New York

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Definite maybe I’ll run a search to see how many other people might fit in this category. Peter Flass (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Approve After a search, I only found one other person. Peter Flass (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Movie memes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category is somewhat misleading, as it doesn't contain memes themselves, but films or franchises that contain them. Brandmeistertalk 12:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Fiction about astronomical locations

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Full hierarchy, 62 renames and 30 not changing
Just the renames, formatted for the closer

This nomination revisits Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_November_23#Category:Astronomical_locations_in_fiction, when Category:Astronomical locations in fiction was renamed to Category:Fiction about astronomical locations, and all its subcats likewise. A Speedy renomination was opposed partly on the grounds that the locations are the settings rather than the topics of the fiction concerned. This is therefore a combined nomination to deal with all the similar categories. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Copy of Speedy discussion

@LaundryPizza03 and SMcCandlish: pinging other participants in previous discussion. – Fayenatic London 18:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support-ish per nom. I think this would be an improvement, but I think an even better one would be to upmerge these back to "Vega in fiction", etc. though the original mass rename was an improvement itself, over "Vega in fiction", etc.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC); revised:  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    'Vega in fiction' suggests that it is fiction about Vega which is clearly not the case. Note that all of these are borderline WP:NONDEF cases anyway, there is hardly any reference to geography in this type of fiction and the main feature is that they are set in space. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    "Foo in fiction" just means that foo is mentioned or referenced there, not necessarily that it's about Foo. "In" has more general meaning, "about" is more specific. But I'm neutral here anyway. Brandmeistertalk 08:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Right! And in the previous round there was a counter-argument of sorts that also militated against "Foo in fiction" for such cases: "There is precedent for renaming this type of category to prevent misuse for minor references." I.e., people will stick things in these categories if these astro-places were even passingly mentioned. So, while I think the proposal is a bit clearer and more narrowing than the current names, reverting to "in ficton" would be a mistake twice over (two different groups would misuse the category two different ways). Sorry I didn't think that through sufficiently on the first pass. I'll blame it on Xmas Eve. PS: I don't disagree with the point that some of these may be NONDEF, but we might have to approach this on a case-by-case basis when it comes to deletion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative support Makes sense to turn into setting categories. Though in some cases, the fiction concerns aliens from these locations. Should Canopus be disambiguated from fictional depictions of Canopus, Egypt? Dimadick (talk) 12:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fiction about Earth

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This one is worth reconsidering separately. It includes subcats for each continent in fiction, along with other aspects. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:FT-Class articles

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 13#Category:FT-Class articles

Universities by city and district in Sri Lanka

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging
Propose deleting
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one or two universities / colleges in each of these cities / districts. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Suicide by period

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming
more year categories
Nominator's rationale: rename, these are set categories, almost without exception they contain articles about individual suicides. Note that I created a few "older" (pre-1940 and 1950s) decade categories just now, but the larger part of the tree already existed. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American scientists of Italian descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. I am quite skeptical that being "of Italian descent" is a WP:DEFINING feature of the American scientists in this category. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 07:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musicians who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death, even though the death itself may have been notable.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 21#Category:Suicides by occupation
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Drivers who committed suicide
  5. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Clergy who committed suicide
  6. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Academics who committed suicide
  7. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Students who committed suicide
  8. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Royalty who committed suicide
  9. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Models who committed suicide
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Double Cross

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
When foreign leaders visit Slovakia, or vice versa, the Order of the White Double Cross is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Harald V of Norway, Margrethe II of Denmark, and Guillaume, Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg, are not remotely defined by this award. (There are a handful of Slovak winners—1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6—but all of their articles mention the award in passing with other honours so it's not defining for them either.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
The Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation is an award that given by the Prime Minister of Jamaica that falls outside of the Jamaican Honours System. The PMs must be big fans of boxing since 3 of the 4 recipients here are professional boxers who are already under Category:Jamaican boxers. Within the articles, 1 mentions this award in passing while 3 don't mention it at all so it doesn't seem defining. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fortified frontiers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Identical scope for this category and its parent, as frontier is understood to mean border, and barrier implies some sort of fortification. What is a border barrier that is not fortified? Place Clichy (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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