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People by school in New Zealand

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Renaming: Category:Napier Boys' High School alumni to Category:Former students of Napier Boys' High School
Category:Old Collegians (Auckland) to Category:Former students of King's College, Auckland
Category:Former pupils of Auckland Grammar School to to Category:Former students of Auckland Grammar School
Category:Christchurch Boys' High School alumni to Category:Former students of Christchurch Boys' High School
Category:Alumni of Gisborne Boys' High School to Category:Former students of Gisborne Boys' High SchoolGood Ol’factory (talk) 09:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming various subcategories
Nominator's rationale: The naming of subcategories of Category:People by school in New Zealand is a thorough mess and needs standardising before there are too many more of them. Currently, we have the following subcats:
Personally, I think the style "Former students of..." is possibly the best. I note also that a similar mess exists with the equivalent Australia categories (see Category:People by school in Australia), but I'll leave that to someone else to sort out... Grutness...wha? 23:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Japanese baseball video games

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge to parent category Category:Baseball video games. There is a clear consensus that this category as it stands is inappropriate, but no consensus on creating any particular new category for some or all of the 17 articles in this category. However, there is a consenus that any such new category must be cleraly-defined and unambiguously-named. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Japanese baseball video games to Category:Video games about Japanese baseball
Nominator's rationale: This is ambiguous: are these video games about baseball that is played in Japan or are these video games about baseball in general that were created in Japan? I'm pretty sure it's the former, but it's not clear from the title. Any suggestions? —Justin (koavf)TCM02:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted from CfD November 29 to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Japanese professional baseball is very different from American professional baseball in that the NPB is not the MLB. However, while I know a lot about the NPB, I have no idea if video games featuring NPB teams exist, how many there are, or if they are popular. --TorsodogTalk 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even taking into account the differences, which are more culturally based than technically, they are outnumbered by the similarities. Baseball is played like baseball where ever you go. Subtle nuances rarely warrant a new category. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]
      • No, obviously there should not be a category about "Japanese baseball" video games. The term "Japanese baseball" means nothing. I am pretty sure by using the term, whoever created the cat was most likely referring to the NPB. If anything, it should be broken up by league (ie MLB video games, NPB video games). I'm pretty sure that is what the original intent of this category was to begin with. --TorsodogTalk 06:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and populate the baseball video game category with them (if such a thing is possible, or should I add that category now in case?) I agree with Guyinblack, this is a step too far, the baseball video game category is specific enough. Someoneanother 11:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and move articles to Category:Baseball video games: We've established well enough that "Japanese baseball" is neither a different enough game to warrant a category of video game articles nor apparently the purpose of the category anyway, leaving us with "Japanese video games about baseball". Delete on that basis as well, since there is no precedent for subcategorizing video games by country of publication or development (and which would it be? vague inclusion criteria!). We do not need any kind of category for "cartoon video games" of any sort. Cartoons are animation, and video games are also animation. Most modern cartoons are made via pretty much precisely the same technologies as video games, so any alleged difference is simply someone's subjective opinion that this game looks somehow more "cartoonish" than that one. That's a very serious WP:NPOV problem. To someone like me, virtually every video game looks "cartoonish" and the more anime-ish they are they more they look this way, but people steeped in anime will have a different view on this, and see semi-realistic anime style art/animation as non-cartoonish, and only see really, really exaggeratory anime style (Pokemon, etc. - the stuff with ridiculously huge eyes, and mouths so small eating a peanut would cause damage) as "cartoonish". I mean, ICK. Let's just not go there. Put all these games back in Category:Baseball video games. There's nothing wrong with that cat., and it has many siblings. PS: For any game article the editors of which feel it is more a something-else kind of game than a baseball game (e.g. it just uses baseball as a surface theme, or whatever), they are free to re-categorize it as necessary. I.e., I would just dump all these things back into the B'bal VG cat., and let any article-by-article adjustments be made by relevant editors as the need is felt to arise. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename - As with the category Category:Major League Baseball video games, this cat should be renamed to Category:Nippon Professional Baseball video games and only populated with games involving the NPB, Japan's baseball league. From the looks of it, most of the games in that cat fit this description anyways. --TorsodogTalk 22:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:John Most albums

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as empty per WP:CSD#C1. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:John Most albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Empty category, articles were deleted as non-notable Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I sent to CSD, sorry I didn't see that you could do that for Categories. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cancelled things

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Cancelled projects and events. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Cancelled things to Category:Cancelled projects
Nominator's rationale: The creator of the category agrees that Cancelled projects would be a more appropriate and in line with a correct category name SatuSuro 12:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Rehat Maryada

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The result of the discussion was: Closed. This is a page move request and not a category. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Rehat Maryada to Category:Sikh Rehat Maryada
Nominator's rationale: The article should be named Sikh Rehat Maryada and not Rehat Maryada. Rehat Maryada is a generic term and can apply to any code of conduct, whereas this article refers to the Sikh Rehat Maryada. See:
  1. ^ Kapoor, Sukhbir Singh; Mohinder Kaur Kapoor (2008). "Introduction". The Making of the Sikh Rehatnamas. New Delhi, India: Hemkunt Publishers. pp. 9. ISBN 9788170103707. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6A_IX9WxnhoC&pg=PA9&dq=Sikh rehat maryada&as_brr=3&cd=2#v=onepage&q=Sikh rehat maryada&f=false. Retrieved 17th December 2009.
  2. ^ Takhar, Opinderjit Kaur (2005). "3" (in English). Sikh identity: an exploration of groups among Sikhs (Hardback ed.). England: Ashgate; illustrated edition edition (24 Aug 2005). pp. 76. ISBN 978-0-7546-5202-1. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aeKWQzesOc4C&pg=PA76&dq=Sikh rehat maryada&cd=2#v=onepage&q=Sikh rehat maryada&f=false. Retrieved 17th December 2009.
  3. ^ "Sikh Reht Maryada, The Definition of Sikh, Sikh Conduct & Conventions, Sikh Religion Living, India". www.sgpc.net. http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/sikh-dharma-manual.html. Retrieved 2009-08-29.
  4. ^ "Sikh Reht Maryada, The Definition of Sikh, Sikh Conduct & Conventions, Sikh Religion Living, India". Sgpc.net. http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_six.html. Retrieved 2009-08-09.
  5. ^ "Sikh Reht Maryada, The Definition of Sikh, Sikh Conduct & Conventions, Sikh Religion Living, India". www.sgpc.net. http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/sikh-dharma-manual.html. Retrieved 2009-08-29.
  6. ^ "Sikh Reht Maryada, The Definition of Sikh, Sikh Conduct & Conventions, Sikh Religion Living, India". www.sgpc.net. http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/sikh-dharma-manual.html. Retrieved 2009-08-29.
  7. ^ Haynes, Jeffrey ((30 Jun 2008)). "19" (in English). Routledge handbook of religion and politics (1 edition ed.). Routledge;. pp. 316. ISBN 0415414555. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ULWtjZxscpIC&pg=PT328&dq=Sikh rehat maryada&as_brr=3&cd=5#v=onepage&q=Sikh rehat maryada&f=false. Retrieved 17th December 2009. Sikh-History 09:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Organisations based in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per WP:SNOW, etc. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Non-profit organizations based in the United Kingdom to Category:Non-profit organisations based in the United Kingdom
Propose renaming Category:Non-profit organizations based in Wales to Category:Non-profit organisations based in Wales
Propose renaming Category:British Islamic organizations to Category:British Islamic organisations
Propose renaming Category:University organizations of the British Armed Forces to Category:University organisations of the British Armed Forces
Propose renaming Category:British veterans' organizations to Category:British veterans' organisations
Nominator's rationale: The predominant spelling the UK is "organisation" and this is the dominant form in Category:Organisations based in the United Kingdom. Per also this previous CFD. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Celtic sports clubs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Consensus found this category to be no more than a trivial intersection. Some of us should review WP:AGF and WP:CIV, but that discussion is for another time. — ξxplicit 10:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Celtic sports clubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Aside from being misnamed (a possibly fixable problem; logically it should be something like Category:Sports clubs, teams and squads with "Celtic" in their names, but that's horrendous), the raison d'etre of the category is unsupportable. This is blatant overcategorization, namely of the "trivial intersection" variety. This is amply demonstrated by the categories this is a subcategory of: Category:Sports clubs and Category:Celtic culture. None of these teams actually have anything at all to do with Celtic culture any more than any other team. This would be exactly like creating a Category:Feline sports clubs as a subcategory of Category:Sports clubs and Category:Felines, for teams with "Lions", "Tigers", "Bengals", etc. in their names. The clincher, basically, is that no main article could be written about this (nor about feline-named clubs). Even a list article would get AfD'd as trivia (technically "collection of indiscriminate information", per WP:NOT.) If there were multiple reliable sources for "Celtic" having a particular actual meaning in the sports context, some kind of Celtic (sports) article could be written, but this would not engender a category, it would simply be an article in Category:Sports terminology. And in fact, there are no such sources, because it doesn't actually have any particular meaning. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Djln, you don't have to censor yourself. I doubt anyone would be offended by the word "bollocks" any more than they would be by "hooters", "bumcakes", "weenie" or "furburger". The offensive part is your characterization of others' views as worthless, not whether you bother to spell out words that aren't likely to shock anyone to begin with. For fuck's sake. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Counter: Well, "most likely to have been" is the operative phrase here: I means that there is no clear inclusion criterion. I'm not even going to get into the issue of the definition of "Celtic", which is a huge can of worms itself, one with entrenched points of view that will never see eye to eye. Some of the other categories you mention may in fact be good candidates for deletion. They would have to be examined on a case-by-case basis. Lastly, even if the inclusion criterion were not vague, it would be of no consequence anyway. Every non-"Celtic"-named team founded in a predominantly "Celtic" area is just as "Celtic" as neighboring teams with "Celtic" in their names. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Perhaps renaming along the lines of Category:Sports clubs with Celtic in title could be a solution ? A number points need making.
  • Um, it's relevant because they're being categorized on the basis of having a shared name. And even if the category were "fixed" to be about, say, "Sports clubs founded by Celtic people" it would still be deleted, as a trivial and non-defining intersection of traits per WP:OVERCAT, since there's nothing special or notable about a team being founded by an Irish- or Welsh-descended person versus an Italian or Javanese person. What part of this isn't clear? — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō  Contribs. 08:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This debate has gotten a little fractious, since the category creator is offended by the proposed deletion, and doesn't seem to be engaging with either the definitional problems of the term "Celtic" or the problems of categorising things by shared name. However, the fact that that this particular category is misconceived should not obscure the fact that some of the clubs currently in this category are an important part of the history of the Irish diaspora, having been founded by marginalised communities of exiles with an explicit purpose of serving the Irish emigrants. The category currently includes clubs in Ireland, which appear to be no different from other Irish sporting clubs, and some such as Bloemfontein Celtic and Oban Celtic which appear to have no connection at all with Ireland ... but a properly referenced list of sporting clubs founded by the Irish diaspora could be a valuable encyclopedic document. Unfortunately, the list of clubs in this category both includes irrelevancies such as Bloemfontein Celtic and excludes Irish-founded clubs such as Hibs and London Irish, so listifying this category would only produce a poor disambiguation page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:41, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Once again BEGirl has missed the point. The category is not just about clubs formed by the Irish diaspora. Otherwise it would called Category:Sports clubs formed by the Irish diaspora. There are potentially dozens if not hundreds of sports clubs around the world, including some from here, that could populate such a category. Aside from Hibs and London Irish you could also include Boca Juniors and Melbourne Football Club. The category is about clubs with Celtic in their title. If this is not obvious by the title, then it should become clear with the additional line This category features sports clubs with Celtic or a variation of that name in their title. The reason why the title is used varies. Some (e.g, Boston Celtics and Celtic F.C. were formed by Irish diaspora. Other clubs were then inspired by the success of Celtic F.C.. This would include Belfast Celtic F.C., the other Irish clubs listed and Bloemfontein Celtic. The latter article clearly states this in the introduction. The Green Hoops are another clue ! Finally there are also clubs who were founded by other non-Irish Celtic people such as Galacians - Celta de Vigo, Welsh - Celtic Crusaders and Celtic Warriors and Scots - Oban Celtic. There is no need for a debate about exactly who the Celts are, as I already mentioned there are other articles on Wiki that do that already and do this. PS I think other editors should also be aware that since our disagreement over this category, BEGirl has been waging a stalking campaign against me and has been tracking my edits and threatening to block me for simply recategorising some articles, clearly abusing her role as an admin. Djln--Djln (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply. Djln, the point that numerous editors have repeatedly tried to explain to you is that per WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES, the only thing to with a category of clubs with nothing in common other than a shared name is to delete it. I don't why you refuse to understand that simple point; surely it isn't that complicated to read the 69 words of WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES?
      That's why there has been discussion of whether there could be another basis for a category such as this, to avoid deleting it. I concluded that there isn't, and I'm happy to see that you agree.
      As to your claims of being stalked, if you still believe that's the case — or that I am abusing my role as an admin — then please hurry along and post a complaint at WP:ANI. As you already know, my concern about your editing has been I discovered by accident (and unrelated to this CFD) that you have been systematically depopulating categories in order to place the articles in an alternative category with what you believe to be a better name. You have rejected requests from me and others not to do this, which is why I am watching your edits, and I hope other editors will also watch them too. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have read WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES and it not relevant, did you write it ? Djln--Djln (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES which seems very relevant. It's not a defining characteristic of a club whether they long ago chose a name with "Celtic" in it. Some of the clubs appear to have much less to do with Celtic people than many other clubs without Celtic in the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as meaningless intersection. Grouping sports clubs by being in the Celtic nations would be interesting. Not interesting enough to last at CfD, but still interesting. There are sides in this category from the United States, the Republic of Ireland, the United Kingdom, and the Republic of South Africa... and I stopped checking. Listify this thing and delete the category. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I see what you were trying to do here, Djln, and it was a worthy attempt. You saw a connection and wanted the world to notice it too. I can also see that your pride has been bruised by some impolite comments by other editors, but do not take them to heart. My advice, however, is this: if there is no concrete link between these clubs, other than the name, you should yield on this point. IF you can establish a more substantive links between the clubs, as in The Red Army Sports Club (dozens of clubs directly modeled on each other), then I will support you to the bitter end. --Kevlar (talkcontribs) 09:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User:Elium2

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, G7. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 05:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Elium2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:USERCAT, the purpose of user categories is to "aid in facilitating coordination and collaboration between users for the improvement and development of the encyclopedia". This category simply collects the user's subpages and is not necessary. — ξxplicit 01:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Elium2's statement I get the point. In the future, if I create any more categories, I'll make sure they're useful! Elium2 (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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