Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zarakh Iliev

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The result was delete. Consensus is that sourcing is not of sufficient quality Star Mississippi 02:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zarakh Iliev

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No hint of person's significance. Huge problems with WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Poor PR sources Bash7oven (talk) 21:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Russia. Shellwood (talk) 21:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Plenty of hints of personal significance. More than hints in fact. I find the Forbes coverage compelling. Clearly meets the GNG. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Shellwood: please, research the link and sources more carefully. Basically non of the sources passes the criteria of independente reliable source with deep independent coverage of the subject - per WP:NRV. The Forbes link to profile is not RS as it is only a directory-type listing. Another Forbes link is forbidden in wikipedia (depreciated) as it is Forbes Contributor article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/01/25/stalins-bedtime-nightmare/#44565c1f54d3. Please read the rule here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Forbes.

Keep Some of the article sources are weak, but the Forbes profile certainly counts towards GNG. Nominator is perahps unfamiliar with WP:BEFORE. The first page of results at Google News for Zarakh Iliev gives us Yahoo Finance God Nisanov and Zarakh Iliev Are Changing Moscow's Local Food Economy and Culture, and the Jerusalem Post Celebrating the Jewish New Year in Moscow with Zarakh Iliev. Three good sources, all counting towards GNG. Incidentally, the nominator's userpage consists solely of: "H.a.t.e.r to be. FuckRussiaStopWar". Whatever one's view of the war in Ukraine, we should be trying to improve our coverage of Russia, not cancel it. Edwardx (talk) 10:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx: Yahoo News cannot be used at all as it is a press-release spam. Another link to Jpost doesn't meet Reliable source criteria, as it doesn't make any deep coverage, but only highlights some event and briefly mentions Zarakh. --Bash7oven (talk) 20:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment User Bash7oven seems to have nominated many articles on Russians purely out of spite. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not against Russian people or Russia. It was just a manifest. Please, lets discuss the importance and notability of pages here. --Bash7oven (talk) 20:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Oaktree b. Please assume Wikipedia editors act in good faith and do not engage in personal attacks. If you want to accuse someone of "acting out of spite", please do so at the appropriate forum. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment no meeting of WP:SIGCOV --Bash7oven (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep! You have nominated several articles by a statement for all the nominations! If you check out the article and the sources on Google, you will easily understand he is notable! —Natalie RicciNatalie 01:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I followed the Keep suggestions for some solid evidence and followed through with an additional search to verifiy what is being claimed, i.e. that our subject is "notable" or "clearly notable". And the verdict is in: Not by a long shot he is not!

What we have and can find: A couple of dead links such as this from "Richest Russian", a vanity website, or this; this "overview" of our subject's company Kievskaya Ploshchad in Bloomberg, but not about Iliev; we get a 2013 Moscow Times item about a Moscow shopping mall being sold to two buyers of whom our subject is one. Ah yes, the much invoked "Forbes profile"! It's actually nothing more than a laconic appearance in the Forbes list of 2022's billionaires, in which Iliev ranks #823. End of story. The whole contraption is an exercise in promotion, whether unwittingly or not. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, A check of the Russian Wikipedia page for this man shows that it is sourced entirely to vanity press, which needless to say is not a contributor to a GNG pass. I made a search in cyrillic, and I could only find what were obviously unreliable puff pieces. Maybe someone else could dig up something, but at the moment a GNG fail. The Gnome's source analysis above is persuasive on the sources cited by the 'Keep' arguments. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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