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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Battle of Kharkiv (2022)#Casualties. Black Kite (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yulia Zdanovska

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Sad that a promising life was cut short due to war, but she has no notability outside being a victim. She was one of 168 participants in the 20117 European Girls' Mathematical Olympiad, ranking last on the Ukraine team and receiving a silver medal along with 27 other participants, behind the 16 gold medals awarded. Prior to 2022 there is no substantial coverage and coverage in 2022 is limited to her death. Mvqr (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Question I don't know how to do this, but shouldn't this also be listed on the deletion sorting page for women? DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Kj cheetham (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not notable enough for her own article { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 10:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Battle of Kharkiv (2022)#Casualties. Not notable, but a plausible search term right now.—S Marshall T/C 10:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I began by redirecting, but it was challenged. However, I don't think a merge is warranted. The battle already has hundreds of dead, including hundreds of dead civilians, and this is expected to rise even more. Many of the victims are profiled in some media around their death. Mvqr (talk) 10:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    They are indeed, and that's why there are already several civilian names in the article about the battle. They could usefully be moved to the casualties section too. I, er, am distinctly uncomfortable with the overtones of erasing those names completely.—S Marshall T/C 12:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Battle of Kharkiv (2022)#Casualties. She appears to be a plausible search term and a merge appears supported due to reporting like this, e.g. Evening Standard, Mar. 9, 2022, "Hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians are believed to have already been killed in Ukraine, including maths prodigy Yulia Zdanovska, 21, reportedly killed by Russian shelling in the eastern city of Kharkiv."), Guerre en Ukraine : ils s'appelaient Tetiana, Mykyta, Alisa, Yulia... (France24, Mar. 19, 2022). Beccaynr (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If being singularly profiled as a victim of a larger tragic incident warranted merging or a redirect, we would have such a precedent for every single plane crash and terror attack and natural disaster. But Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and BIO1E makes it pretty clear that generally only individuals who played a significant role in an event should be discussed beyond a mere mention in the event's article. JoelleJay (talk) 15:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:BIO1E also states, WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died. Secondly, WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of low profile individuals. Per WP:BLP1E, she 1) appears to be covered only in the context of the single event of her death during the war, 2) she otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, low-profile, so it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article, and 3) it seems too soon to determine the significance of the event, and her role does not appear to be particularly substantial or well-documented to a degree that justifies a separate BLP. Per WP:MERGEREASON, the Battle of Kharkiv (2022)#Casualties has the same scope, there is an overlap, the BLP is unlikely to be expanded within a "reasonable" time (in my opinion as an editor), and perhaps most importantly, a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it, based on the coverage, including as noted above, that highlights and contextualizes her death in reporting on the war. Beccaynr (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I get to "merge" via a different route from Beccaynr, then. The way I would react to JoelleJay's view is to say that the Russian invasion of Ukraine isn't a plane crash or terror attack or natural disaster. It's very unlike incidents of that nature, and it's treated very unlike them in the sources. I'm looking at this in the light of our policy on biographies of living people (which, for the benefit of anyone new to Wikipedia who's reading this discussion, applies to the recently-deceased as well as the currently living), and I know we'd remove the names of innocent bystanders or victims from an article about a fatal incident such as a terror attack; but I see Zdanovska as a war casualty, and I think in the circumstances we honour her by including her name, where there are sources to back that up, rather than by erasing it.—S Marshall T/C 17:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not arguing we erase her name from the battle page, I'm just saying we don't need to have more than the bare minimum biographical info on her, and therefore a merge is unnecessary. I am approaching this as an equivalent to the "prominent casualties" kind of lists that appear on plane crash etc. articles, where non-notable entries just have at most a one-sentence description of why their death was noted. JoelleJay (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hum. In that case would it be fair to characterise your position as more "redirect" than "delete"? Mine is more like "selective merge".—S Marshall T/C 20:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah a redirect would be fine since her name is probably pretty uncommon. I gave a suggestion in my reply to Russ. JoelleJay (talk) 12:35, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or redirect per WP:Redirects are cheap. No sign of reaching the notability required for a standalone article. A sentence about her could be included in a list of (weakly-)notable casualties in the battle article. (It looks like Borys Romanchenko is another such casualty.) There is little enough in the bio stub that I think is academic as to whether we call that a merge or not. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is little enough in the bio stub that I think is academic as to whether we call that a merge or not. Yeah this is exactly my position. It just doesn't seem worth the effort to merge such a small article, especially when there will be even less content in the merge target. I'd say we keep the Terence Tao ref and maybe one other alongside a brief description and call it good. JoelleJay (talk) 12:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In such cases it's not strictly necessary to keep the history under the redirect for attribution purposes; but it's courteous and respectful to do so (particularly if citing references originally found by others).—S Marshall T/C 13:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Battle of Kharkiv (2022)#Casualties per S Marshall. I don't think we'll have more than a line post-merge, but keeping the history seems better. — Charles Stewart (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 16:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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