Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veli Gërra

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The result was keep. henrik•talk 06:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Veli Gërra

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Fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ONEEVENT. While the Declaration is itself notable, and many of its signatories are as well, it does not appear that this individual is notable for anything other than his signature. I cannot find anything about him in the literature. Since he is already listed at Albanian Declaration of Independence, Delete or Merge. Athenean (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete One-line stub, not notable.--Ptolion (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is one of the founding fathers of Albania. Extremely important political figure. How would an American like it if some of the founding fathers (signatories of the US Constitution) be "quietly deleted" because the mexicans don't like them. We're presently facing a greek initiative to delete Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Rexhep Demi, Veli Gërra, and Jakup Veseli, all Albanian founding fathers, but all of them should be kept. A stub is such because it will have future expansion.sulmues (talk) --Sulmues 14:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete One line? Also, fails WP:Notability. Not every signature is internationally important. --Tadija (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As a signatory to the Declaration of Independence for a country, there's a presumption that the person is a significant political figure. After all, we don't have random passers-by on a street signing such documents. With this being an historical figure, and sources likely being in Albanian, an Internet based search isn't ideal for finding sources. Sulmues has added some sources, and I would expect these would need to be evaluated. -- Whpq (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Needs expanding. WP:POLITICIAN --MW talk contribs 18:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject was a member of the Assembly of Vlora which acted as Albania's de facto national legislature immediately following independence, so passes WP:POLITICIAN. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:According to the only source in the article that we can actually check, [1], this individual's signature does not even appear on the Declaration of Independence. What's going on here? --Athenean (talk) 20:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As per nominator.Alexikoua (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Veli Gërra the Eslie source used in his article page does not mention him at all. The only Veli are from Gjinokastra [Gjirokastra] by telegram: Azis Efendi, Veli Efendi, Veli Harçi and Veli bey Klisura.Eslie source used Megistias (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Not being listed on a self-published web site by an amateur historian, which only lists 41 of the 83 signitories of the independence declaration, doesn't take away from the fact the the subject is listed as a leading figure in the Albanian independence movement here and as a delegate to the Assembly of Vlora here. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The first link you provided is a dead link, the second link is anything but a source: An ultranationalist rant on a self-published website. Cut and paste the text into google translate to see what I mean. --Athenean (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject passes WP:POLITICIAN. kedadial 13:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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