Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trey Smith (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Clear consensus; whatever remaining doubts there are about just who he is, everyone seems to agree there is no justifiable basis for an article. DGG ( talk ) 05:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trey Smith

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Unsourced BLP and the subject does not appear to be at all notable, so it's unlikely there will be any reliable sources to add any time soon. The only coverage outside of the subject's personal blogs and other user-generated websites is this article in a local magazine written by the subject.

This page was originally a stub about Will Smith's son by the same name, so the first AFD was about redirecting that one to Will Smith's article. Then the same page was used to create this article and the 2nd AFD is about this same Brian "Trey" Smith. The result was delete, but then it was recreated in 2015. All of the substantive edits to this article have been by SPAs that have almost exclusively edited this article. —PermStrump(talk) 08:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not pass WP:GNG. Not even close. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 16:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Either Delete or make it a protected redirect to Will Smith's article. I would also keep an eye at Trey Smith (author) if this is deleted.--174.91.187.80 (talk) 06:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This AfD needs the attention of an administrator familiar with history merging/splitting and rev deletion. I am pinging the administrator of most-recent record at [1] @Anthony Appleyard:. Unscintillating (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Permstrump, MjolnirPants, and Unscintillating:
- All the edits of page Trey Smith (which has no deleted edits and was formerly at Trey Smith (author)) seem to be about Trey Smith the founder of the God in a Nutshell Project.
- ~~Under Trey Smith (author) are 15 edits about a Trey Smith who is best known as author of Thieves and had committed a burglary, and may be the God in a Nutshell Project man.~~ Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Trey Smith (version 2) (deleted) is:
  - ~~from start to 02:53, 24 November 2009: about Willard Christopher Smith III AKA "Trey Smith", the son of actors Will Smith and his first wife Sheree Zampino Smith~~
  - ~~from 04:39, 17 August 2010 to 04:39, 17 August 2010, about the God in a Nutshell Project man~~
  - from 00:19, 17 July 2012 to 23:42, 6 July 2015: disambig page between up to 3 Trey Smiths.
  - from 00:17, 17 July 2012 to latest: redirects.
- Trey Smith (Will Smith) is:
  - ~~from start to 06:00, 12 September 2010: about Willard Christopher Smith III~~
  - from 15:40, 3 April 2011‎ 67.174.43.214 to latest: redirects and vandalism (still there but now deleted: Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC))[reply]
- Do you want me to histmerge together everything about the God in a Nutshell Project man into one page, and everything about Willard Christopher Smith III into one page, before deleting them all? Or what? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think yes to to the histmerging on all counts (I don't see any real reason there needs to be multiple histories about either person) and yes to deleting the God in a nutshell guy. I'm not sure if Will Smith III should be deleted though, I haven't looked into his notability very much. A quick glance at his IMBD page doesn't really answer that either, as he's has a few media appearances, but generally seems to stay out of the spotlight. So I think a separate AfD for him might be more appropriate. That could be undertaken after the histmerge, or if it seems likely to you that a keep vote would be a snowball, without any histmerge of his articles. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 00:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with MjolnirPants. There's no reason to keep their histories. Can we make it harder for someone to recreate the article about the God in a Nutshell/safe "robber" guy again without demonstrating he has actually become notable?

I don't have a strong a strong opinion either way about Will Smith's son. I guess I don't see a problem keeping "Trey Smith (Will Smith)" as a redirect to Will Smith#Personal_life. —PermStrump(talk) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Permstrump, MjolnirPants, and Unscintillating: I have moved/histmerged all the Willard Christopher Smith III edits to Trey Smith (Will Smith). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:00, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have history-merged Trey Smith (author) and the God in a Nutshell man edits from Trey Smith (version 2) to Trey Smith. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:06, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have undeleted Trey Smith (version 2), as a disambig page, so that people discussing here can see it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:30, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Someone moved Trey Smith (version 2) to Trey Smith (disambiguation). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The notability of this person is not established since the article provides no secondary sources. I don't understand what is going on with the other issues.Borock (talk) 14:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not much of an argument since the nominator removed secondary sources before nomination. In any case, sources in the article do not define wp:notability. Unscintillating (talk) 16:38, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I only removed sources 2 sources, neither of which seemed to exist. The links were broken and when I looked them up the only hits were WP and mirror sites. The only source I could find is the one I linked in the nom that was written by the subject and said the same things his blog already says, which was already sourced to his blog, so I didn't see a reason to add it. —PermStrump(talk) 20:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the verdict is "keep", we must decide whether to move Trey Smith to Trey Smith (author) (without leaving a redirect) and then to move Trey Smith (disambiguation) to Trey Smith. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, have been unable to find any useable reviews of his books. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No champion to explain the problems, dubious wp:notability, and WP:BLP applies to the content, not just the topic. The nominator I think has clouded the issue by adding WP:OR ("Pseudoarcheology"), diff, but a fair process here overcomes this concern. As for the son of Will Smith, I assume without doing any checking that we want to keep this as a redirect, in some form. Unscintillating (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable writer. For the record this Trey Smith (born 1977) is not the one the previous AfDs seem to have been about, they were about a man born in 1992, who is mainly notable because his father is a top ranked actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know how much it matters, but I think the 2nd AFD is for the same guy (born 1977), but makes reference the first AFD for Will Smith's son (born 1992), because the nom said, "The previous AfD resulted in the article being redirected to Will Smith#Personal life; this article is about a different person named Trey Smith". Then someone else said, "This article/redirect was "hijacked" with this edit on 24 November 2009". —PermStrump(talk) 20:23, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question is the safe craker and author actually the founder of the God in the Nutshell Project? This article suggests he is, but the disambiguation page suggests they are two different men.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The "safe cracker" is the founder of the God in the Nutshell project. Originally I felt confident that that was the say Trey Smith (author) that the 2nd AFD was about, but I'm not sure of anything anymore. —PermStrump(talk) 20:23, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as nothing at all actually convincing for independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 19:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't even look close to being notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:37, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.