Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tarsus American College

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:48, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tarsus American College

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Article about a non-notable school. Half the sources are to the school's own website, one is Wikipedia, and the rest are either non sequiturs or passing mentions. BEFORE turns up nothing but passing mentions (string: "tarsus american college"). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 08:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As the nominator says the state of the sourcing is pretty abysmal. From what I can tell they are all either primary references or blog posts. The only thing that could possible help this is the amount of notable alumni. A lot of them are questionably notable though and there's no valid guideline grounded basis to keep an article with horrible referencing just because it has a notable alumni section. So, this is a solid delete in my book. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with the argument that the sources in this article can be improved; however, "non-notable" school argument is invalid as you can see from the list of alumni. This is one of the oldest and most well known high schools in Turkey with lots of history and notable alumni. A simple Google search will show this. Other schools of similar stature in Turkey are Üsküdar American Academy (sister school) and Robert College. This article has been in Wikipedia for more than 15 years and has served well as a source of information. A recent edit added links to school's website and these sources should be improved rather than deleting the article. --Emraydn12 (talk) 08:25, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That argument is a nonstarter, and if a "simple Google search" would have shown it, I wouldn't have started the AfD. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 17:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Tarsus American College is a pioneer school and this page is its Wikipedia page. Students from all over the world might check its Wikipedia page if they wish to be in here. What you ask is completely illogical. People can Google many things as well as the Wikipedia page. The page has been improved and it will continue to improve by stakeholders, esspecialy the alumni. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.227.61.239 (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — 88.227.61.239 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

That isn't what Wikipedia is for. All I am asking for is that someone provide reliable third-party sources, plural, to demonstrate that the school is notable per our standards, since I'm not finding anything worthwhile via a Google search and what's presently in the article is unfit for purpose. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 11:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have included a couple references from historical books outlining the school's importance in the activities of Christian missionaries. The references are for the existing information which proves they are correct. I will keep adding references, so please keep checking regularly. — Emraydn12 (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is an internationally known American founded school since 1888. I have met university faulty, in midwest USA' who knew TAC and its sister schools, which I was amazed. The links were pretty old and untouched, but edits have been to reliable references.Srplb (talk) 18:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC) — Srplb (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep First; The book "A history of Tarsus American School" is the book written about the school and its history when the school is 100 years old. It is published in 1988. Writer is Alan A. Bartholomew, library head (https://prabook.com/web/alan_alfred.bartholomew/531257). Please see below link. https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=Ot5CAQAAIAAJ&hl=tr&source=gbs_similarbooks Book ASIN : B0006ERXVY Book can also be purchased as second hand from this link; https://www.nadirkitap.com/a-history-of-tarsus-american-school-1888-1988-alan-a-bartholomew-kitap13507068.html

Second; A second book is the collection of memories from the alumni is published in 2018. https://www.google.com/search?q=stickler ın dili olsa&sxsrf=ALeKk016wWdE6_ZBPYWd39gCmtpp-p7bHA:1622748427002&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ici1Djn8JFwgZM%2CJuzogyzpt71UOM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kShFXYcECU4CqRSkeyhTh2KmYigwg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1zbP8mPzwAhVphP0HHeqQCMcQ9QF6BAgTEAE#imgrc=qfTVNycQXX0HrM Book is in Turkish.

Third; It is a Masters Thesis; "Establishment, Development and Activity of Tarsus American College" by Meral HALIFEOGLU. Published in 2007. Please see link: https://openaccess.firat.edu.tr›bitstream›handle The pdf thesis can easily be dowloaded. On page 3 there is a Summary in English.

umutyalniz (talk) 18:35,3 June 2021 (UTC) — Umut Yalniz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Masters' theses aren't viable sources, the memories of alumni are useless for notability (connexion to subject), and the history book in question has the exact same problem if the writer is/was employed by TAC. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this is one of those subjects that could be notable if one had access to the right library or database. My own search in the usual English sources does not find much of note. The article and the above !k !votes show that there has been extensive involvement of perso9ns connected to the school. --- Possibly (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete appears to have a distinct lack of reliable third party sources and the heavy involvement from people with ties to the organization. zchrykng (talk) 02:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tarsus (city): While the school itself is not notable – it clearly fails WP:ORG – I think a redirect to the location would be reasonable, if not preferable. Redirecting non-notable schools to their locations is something I've seen occuring frequently, and I doubt that the edit history is not worth preserving; if not, the redirect can be created after a deletion. Java Hurricane 04:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object to a redirect, but the result would need to be at least semi-protected given the COI editing in this article's history. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think so too. Java Hurricane 12:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No sign of notability.lomrjyo^{(talk•contrib•Ping with {{u|Lomrjyo}})} 21:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The school is one of the oldest in the Turkey. It witnessed many events since the Ottoman times. The long history can be traced back to early 20th century with many related documents archived and made digitally open to public. https://archives.saltresearch.org/simple-search?query=Tarsus American&sort_by=score&order=desc&rpp=10&etal=0&start=0 The school continues to be the one of the most influential schools in Turkey with its notable alumni. While the article can be improved, it has been substantially revised so as to comply with WP:ORG, notability and reliable sources. Grkltr (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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