Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sree Kumaramangalam Public School

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The result was delete. Most of the Keep opinions are by SPA's and fail to cite how this meets GNG. JGHowes ^talk 17:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sree Kumaramangalam Public School

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Does not pass criteria set forward by WP:NSCHOOL. It is to be noted that the school was set up only in 2003. And the person being referred to in the History section visited the town 100 years ago. Daiyusha (talk) 11:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsing comments by sockpuppets; please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. Mz7 (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is about a school. There are so many Articles are there about schools. Then why you nominated this article for deletion? Phoenix man (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:Don't you read the article? The person being referred to in the History section is Sree Narayana Guru. He first built a Temple there. And asks the natives to construct a school also there. What is the problem that you find here ? It is true that the school was constructed in 2003. And I added supporting references too there.Phoenix man (talk)

Please read WP:NORG. Even schools are required to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Are there reliable and independent sources reporting significantly on this school? If so, please share them. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.keralatourism.org/kumarakom/sree-kumaramangalam-school-kumarakom.php

~~Keep~~:Go check out this article, which was published by Kerala Tourism. It clearly states that the statement is 100 percent true.Phoenix man (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please can you provide independent sources showing in-depth coverage and analysis of this school? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article about Sree Kumaramangalam Public School in Fit India website by Government of India:-

https://fitindia.gov.in/events/fit-india-cycle-day-323/

CBSE affiliation :- http://cbseaff.nic.in/cbse_aff/schdir_Report/AppViewdir.aspx?affno=930846 Phoenix man (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://uniformapp.in/sree-kumaramangalam-public-school--930846-kottayam

https://www.cbseschool.org/sree-kumaramangalam-public-school-kottayam-kerala/

https://entranceindia.com/cbse-schools-in-kerala/sree-kumaramangalam-public-school-cbse-schools-in-kumarakom-kottayam/

https://bynearme.com/cbse-school/sree-kumaramangalam-public-school-kottayam-930846

https://www.icbse.com/schools/sree-kumaramangalam-public-school-917n3z Phoenix man (talk)

That's just the run-of-the-mill database entries that every school in every country has. Where is the significant news coverage of the school? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article is true. You refer 'https://www.keralatourism.org/kumarakom/sree-kumaramangalam-school-kumarakom.php' this for more details. First the school was state syllabus (Kerala Board), and after years they build new school which is affiliated to CBSE.

~~Eagle eyer333 (talk) 12:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)~~ sock strike Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article being correct or not is not the issue. Please provide in-depth sources showing notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~: This is school's website. You can refer to that too. http://kumarakomskmps.com/

Phoenix man (talk)

A school having a website does not make it notable. Please read WP:NORG and WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sree Kumaramangalam is a very famous school in Kumarakom,Kerala,India. Please do keep this if possible. Thank you. 27.61.23.239 (talk) 01:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - all of these several keep votes are from sockpuppets, none of whom have presented even one source that goes any way towards the depth of coverage required to pass WP:NORG or even WP:GNG. As per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, a school is not notable simply because it exists and it clearly says on NORG that schools are required to meet the notability criteria for organisations as with any other organisation. The sources presented in this discussion, and the ones that I stumbled upon in a search, are all, without exception, bare minimum database entries and none of them confer notability. The claim above by IP that this school is "very famous" is not supported by any sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This school clearly fails the notability guidelines for schools. I was thinking maybe there would at least be the sourcing out there about Kumaramangalam Subramanyaswamy Temple where it's located to justify an article for it that this could be redirected to, but I couldn't find anything that would warrant an article notability wise for the temple either. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per WP:HEY as it is a weak keep, but for gazetteer subjects like schools, that should be enough. IMO, there's been way too much deletion of gazetteer subjects over the last year. It does bear note that the range of available sources doesn't end at the same place Google does. That applies even more in parts of the world where data digitalization hasn't got as far as it has in others and contributes to systemic bias on Wikipedia. 27.61.41.218 (talk) 10:46, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking at List of schools in India#Kerala and clicking on some random schools to see how many references are enough to be kept. It turns out, the requirements are pretty low. For example, take a look at Brook International School, Sasthamcotta and Infant Jesus School, Kollam. Considering this, I think the sources you have provided might be enough. 27.61.41.218 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It is a secondary school. Schools aren't inherently notable, though. 106.200.42.170 (talk) 11:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schools aren't inherently notable, correct. What suggests that this one is? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - nothing in searches to indicate it passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sree Kumaramangalam School is very famous in Kumarakom. The school is built by the wish of Narayana Guru 27.61.53.70 (talk) 09:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The school is very famous in Kumarakom, Kerala. You can refer by the article given below, which was written by Kerala government's tourism page. https://www.keralatourism.org/kumarakom/sree-kumaramangalam-school-kumarakom.php 106.200.53.214 (talk) 09:58, 18 February 2021

That source contains no significant coverage, nor is it independent of the subject, so it has zero value in this discussion. If this school is as famous as you keep saying, then there should be better sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:06, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In India English-medium schools are the gateway to well-paid employment, which might be a factor towards notability, but I take no view on notability. Maskedman Sree (talk) 04:51, 22 February 2021– Checkuser note: Maskedman Sree is a confirmed sockpuppet of Phoenix man per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. Mz7 (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Maskedman Sree: So are schools everywhere. But some schools don't deserve an article just because they "exist". They should have done something notable, or be popular enough in their state to have multiple news articles. Daiyusha (talk) 05:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Central board of secondary education Accredited school [1] 106.200.61.34 (talk) 05:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a criteria. Having an accreditation(CBSE or any state-level education board) is the minimum legal requirement to set up a school in India. CBSE is the country-wide uniform education system, tens of thousands of schools follow it. And it will only keep increasing yearly. Daiyusha (talk) 08:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per WP:HEY, it's a weak keep. For subjects like schools that should be enough!! Whrlhs (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)– Checkuser note: Whrlhs is a likely sockpuppet of Phoenix man per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. Mz7 (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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