Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SM Lifestyle Center

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Discussion about merging can continue on the article's talk page (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SM Lifestyle Center

Non notable mall. No inline citations or external links. No inbound links either. Flewis^(talk) 12:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. -- VG ☎ 14:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions. -- VG ☎ 14:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Taking this to AfD just 13 minutes after it was created and without any of the strongly recommended prior steps like tagging appears over the top. - Dravecky (talk) 14:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article was tagged for Afd rather than being tagged for CSD in order to establish a thorough consensus. Also, the sole contributor to the article has chosen not to edit or improve the article further [1]. The article would've probably remained in its current state for a long time, without being noticed or edited had it not been tagged. At least now it will be brought to the attention of the community, who will have the chance to improve it, so that it meets wiki standards - in the case of a 'keep' --Flewis^(talk) 15:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep(read square meters as square feet)Its gross leasable area would make it almost 3 times the minimum for a "Super regional mall" and these have generally been kept in previous AFDs,[2], serving as the "dominant shopping venue for the region in which it is located" per Shopping mall. Delete Rather small mall, far less than "regional" in its leasable area. Malls of this size have often been deleted in past AFDs since they are very common. Perhaps mention it in an article about its city. Edison (talk) 19:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to SM Prime Holdings & Henry Sy. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the figure for retail space is correct, it's almost as big as the Mall of America (216000 vs 230000 m²), and would be the seventh biggest mall in the US. Edison, are you confusing square metres and square feet? A mall that big is notable, if we can source the figure. The SM website lists it as still under construction, BTW. Matt's talk 10:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thanks for the catch of sq meters rather than sq feet. BTW, "SM Lifestyle Center" sounds like whips and chains and is a pretty odd name for a shopping mall. Edison (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 09:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep by default. Although a Google search on "SM Lifestyle Center" returns next to nothing, the few hits link to sites about "SM中国". A search on that returns a lot of hits, nearly all of them in Chinese. Only someone who speaks any Chinese may conclude that none of those references can establish the mall's notability. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 14:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect into Zibo. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 00:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Zichuan District I had a longer look at the official SM China website, and the "construction area" of the Zibo shopping centre is listed as 66,000.17 square metres (it's the same in Mandarin). I also googled/baidu'd Zibo and SM Mall (淄博 SM城市广场; SM中国), and couldn't find any RSs, just a Zichuan District propaganda article. Most of the leading articles on Baidu are about some sort of talent show SM was running. Matt's talk 14:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 17:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because otherwise it'll set a record for the most relists. No, seriously, keep because there do seem to be sources, they're probably just in Chinese. The largest mall by a notable management firm is probably notable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 18:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears to be a major retail facility, and citable sources clearly exist. AfD is not cleanup. --Gene_poole (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.