Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rayark, Inc.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was refocus as List of Rayark games. The discussion in terms of purely counting is a pretty clear no consensus. However, in actually reading what is written it is clear that there is consensus against having an article as currently conceived. So rather than doing a straight no consensus and ending up with an outcome pretty much no one has advocated for, I'm closing with a refocus result. If, after a typical amount of time, someone wishes to renominate it under this new focus, this discussion should really be considered as a no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rayark, Inc.

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Does not pass WP:GNG- lacks coverage in independent sources. 1292simon (talk) 07:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Rayark. Inc is a Taiwanese-based company and most of their coverage is in Chinese; a quick glance at the Chinese version of the page reveals a much more detailed page with numerous independent sources cited. A quick search also uncover coverage in languages like Indonesian as they predominantly market their games in the Asia region. Someone just needs to find the time to improve it, or maybe just transcribe the Chinese page into English. Haleth (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I checked the Chinese article but most of the sources are press releases for their games rather than actual coverage about the studio. The prose part is largely unsourced. Coverage of them in English is nearly nonexistent besides the fact that they forced out an executive for expressing support for Hong Kong protests... not exactly a good look. But not enough for an article to be notable. I am not convinced this passes GNG, but if people do find sources in other languages, it can always be recreated then._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to List of Rayark games. Not sure what coverage is specific to the studio itself but I've found some weak press on their individual releases: [1][2][3][4][5][6] and this was just on the games without their own articles. Whether this stays "Rayark" or becomes "List of Rayark games", there is enough sourcing altogether to support an overview article of such a list. czar 00:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I checked both English and Chinese coverage, neither has sufficient WP:RS coverage, mostly primary source and promotional xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 04:22, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NCORP is nobility standard the company to needs to reach and the references don't support an article, unless somebody can dig up a really popular game they created. scope_creep^Talk 13:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to List of Rayark games per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion as suggested by Czar. The article contains links to a list of notable games developed by Rayark. There is sufficient coverage about the games to support a list. A list would comply with Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates which says an advantage of a list is for "Good for exploratory browsing of Wikipedia".
Cunard (talk) 08:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The references fail the criteria for establishing notability of this company, topic fails GNG/WP:NCORP. Also, Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion makes no mention of converting a failed topic to a "List of" article as an alternative to deletion. HighKing 18:23, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but rename per above suggestions. There is sufficient coverage about the notable games to support a list.VocalIndia (talk) 11:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Cleaf. L

Clear consensus not to have an article but no consensus on whether to delete or repurpose.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:ORG Eyebeller (talk) 18:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IDK - I have nominated two articles before that I believed failed WP:GNG, but apparently there are more hidden sources that I cannot access using my search engine for some reason. Rayark may appear to fail WP:GNG but several of its games have ranked near the top of the App Store for their category, including Cytus, Cytus II, and Soul of Eden. Some of the people part of this also have Wikipedia articles on them, including The SxPLAY, and several of the voice actors that Rayark recruited are also notable. On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to find information on the company. So I disagree that it completely fails notability guidelines, but I also disagree that it passes them either. It probably is 50% notable, 50% not notable. Aasim (talk) 23:39, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes same with your opinion ! The best way is to change the name as list. IMO VocalIndia (talk) 17:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

However, I think it isn't proven that this topic meets WP:NLIST. 1292simon (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a search for Rayark yields [7]. Not sure if the sources listed here are reliable, though. Aasim (talk) 17:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

keep and rename per above. It seems to meet WP:NLIST with multiple notable games and it seems like a reasonable grouping. Not sure it's not notable as-is, but this seems like the best way forward for now. Hobit (talk) 17:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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