Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Programming with Big Data in R

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 14:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Programming with Big Data in R

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Lots of references but which of them actually demonstrate that this software is notable outside the narrow world of statisticians? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. pbdR is series of packages(technically not a software) and is expanding continuously after it's apperance in october 2012.Recently it appeared on Google summer of code for mentoring a project . link: http://rwiki.sciviews.org/doku.php?id=developers:projects:gsoc2013:mpiprofiler and it has been selected for mentoring : your proof :http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/igaurav/30001 . So it is making it's way out of narrow world of statisticians to public. igauravsehrawat —Preceding undated comment added 14:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question: is it correct that you are doing a GSoC project mentored by pbdR, i.e. you are affiliated with it? --188.98.216.174 (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. pbdR is also interested by HPC community; however, common inaccurate impression of pbdR and Rmpi can be fount at http://www.open-mpi.org/community/lists/users/2013/02/21466.php. Wikipedia should be a perfect place to distinguish and educate this. Wccsnow (talk) 01:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Would you please disclose whether you happen to be affiliated with pdbR? Your name indicates you might be Wei-Chen Chen. I've seen you promote this package and his articles all over Wikipedia... --188.98.216.174 (talk) 09:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: Yes, name changed in personal page. Thank you for your time and contribution. Any editing from anyone to the page is welcome. Wccsnow (talk)

Keep There is no WP policy that states an article needs to be notable outside a given specialty. Instead the real criterion is whether (1) there are multiple independent in-depth reliable sources and (2) the article has surmountable problems. The article itself is well-written and well-cited. Most of the citations specifically about pbdMPI are primary, so the main question is whether there are RS available. Reference 25 is a tutorial by Raim, who I think is independent of the authors and reference 26, the CRAN task view by Eddelbuettel is almost certainly independent. The tutorial goes into a great deal of depth about pbdMPI and the task view has a paragraph about it, which is marginal for the in-depth criterion. Thus notability is marginal, but I am inclined toward keep because (1) a CRAN task view is a short list of the best R packages for a task and the presence of pbdMPI on the list indicates notability by itself and (2) notability for this new R package will only grow over time. Marginal notability and an article with no major problems suggests keeping the article. --Mark viking (talk) 22:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep although weak for me. Indeed, just because there is a narrow community of notability is not by itself grounds for deletion. The article does however, need to show it is notable by reliable sources outside of the group that produced it. There are all sorts of packages promoted by their own developers, and Wikipedia is not the place to promote them using assertions of those same developers. I agree with above arguments that notability is marginal but seems more likely than not to stand the test of time. However, I think the article itself has huge problems. Parts are OK but other parts include a HOWTO which might not belong. Worse is the over-use of inline raw URL links. Generally the body of the article should not have the raw URL links, but be in English with wikilinks on first use of each related term. If a term is not notable enough for its own Wikipedia article, then do not link it in the article, but put in external links section of the article on the term that it describes. The section order is also not up to standard. But those can be worked on if it stays. W Nowicki (talk) 20:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article seems to have a strong advertisement bias (see above for the COI question), and we shouldn't start documenting all R packages on Wikipedia. It could probably be merged into some R related article, too. "Appeared in Sept. 2012" certainly does not indicate this is widely adopted yet, is it? --188.98.216.174 (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've just done a pass over the article, removing a lot of unrelated references (e.g. citing R; but since R has it's own wikipedia article, we don't need references for its existence!). Now very little references remain, in particular I didn't notice much independent third-party references on pdbR. Google Scholar doesn't find any either. So I'd say delete it for now, and maybe re-add it in 1-2 years when the test of time has proven it to be a commonly used package. --188.98.216.174 (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone 01:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. An average CRAN package, as far as I can tell. I see no indication of Wikipedia:Notability. This is and end-of-2012 and 2013 development, and has not received substantial attention yet even within the R community. As such, it lacks in "Significant coverage". The appropriate place for this as of now are CRAN and their homepage, not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not meant to cover all 4688 CRAN packages... we can't even cover all of these in footnotes to the R article. That is exactly what CRAN is for, after all. --Chire (talk) 18:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage at Google is not to be found with the exact article title, but with the package names. There are many hits for rmpi (being described as "Two packages (snow, Rmpi) stand out as particularly useful for general use") and for pbdR, and there's of course the website with the same name as this article has been also directly cited by scientific research. Diego (talk) 06:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't confuse pbdR with Rmpi. It's not Rmpi; but a competing approach! The articles citing pdbR are either authored by the pdbR authors, or refer to e.g. "Primary Budget Deficit as a Ratio (PBDR)", I could not find any independent reviewed references. --Chire (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Peer-reviewed papers "authored by their authors" are still relevant to establish notability from the moment they're published by scientific media. And there articles like this that are not by them. Diego (talk) 06:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Ample coverage in peer-reviewed scientific papers. Diego (talk) 06:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See above. The scholar link is for a competing package, Rmpi! --Chire (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See the other links, pbdR has papers of its own. Diego (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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