Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pledge of the Tree

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 01:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MBisanz, may I know the reason, based on which you have decided to keep this article. With do all respect, I believe the users were still debating about the idea of deleting this page. ThanksSalman (talk) 18:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pledge of the Tree

I strongly believe that this article should be deleted from Wikipedia, because no such incident ever took place in the history of Islam, where the Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W.) asked his Sahabahs to pledge him to avenge anyone’s murder. I have searched his issue on internet also, nothing came up. I suggest that this is an act of vandalism. The writer has also posted a verse from the Quran, which talks about the Pledge of Aqaba. I would say that this is surely a case of spreading misconceptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salman01 (talk • contribs)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medium Keep It seems notable and reasonably well-written. I'd say it just needs some citation. Of course if it DOES turn out to be a hoax, it should be deleted as such.

Strong delete Non-notable with no reliable sources. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 03:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Dear contributors, there is no reliable reference or source which proves the validity of this article. Like I said, the Quranic verse which is provided doesn’t even refer to this unknown incident, but it was regarding the Pledge of Aqaba. The article is even disagreeing with what the author of the book (the book which is written by William Muir), according to the article, Prophet Muhammad (SAWW), placed his hand at the bottom of his Sahabas, and than at the top of everyone else, for Hazrat Uthman. But according to the book, Hazrat Muhammad (SAWW) placed his hand at the bottom and after everyone placed their hands on his hand, he than placed his second hand (on behalf of his one and only son-in-law, Ali ibn Abi Talib) on top. Do you see how even the article is disagreeing with the book. I am not trying to say that an incident as such as this, ever took place in the history of Islam. According to my knowledge, nothing like this ever happened. Therefore, it should be deleted. Thanks Salman (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep [1] from 1894 (William Muir) and others seem to give it historical credence. [2] 1891. And a large number of other print references (the web is not the sole repository of information). Collect (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep References are missing right now, but I found a number of indications from poking through the web that this is indeed a real event in Islamic history. --Clay Collier (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not only about the references and sources, Clay Collier, no such incident ever took place in the history of Islam. This article is even disagreeing from the book (whom link has been provided). Thanks Salman (talk) 19:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question Forgive my ignorance, but is this a case of an event that is accepted by one branch of Islam but not another? --Finngall ^talk 19:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well there are three branches in Islam: Shi’as, Sunnis, and Wahabies. I am a Shi’a and I can definitely say that my branch doesn’t believe in this. I have never read any book or article in which Wahabies have mentioned anything like this being occurred. I have studied Sunni Hadith books and therefore, I can say that I never even read it in their? This is why I am advocating for this article to be removed, because it is “giving-birth” and spreading misconceptions. Thanks Salman (talk) 21:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep References seem to exist, so if it is a misconception, it's a notable misconception. Edward321 (talk) 00:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edward321, the sources which have been provided are not reliable sources. The sources or references have to satisfy the reference policy of Wikipedia. If a reference doesn’t suit the policy of Wikipedia then it can’t be considered as a reliable or accurate source of information. Thanks Salman (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There has been a claim that references exist for this article, yet where are these references from reliable sources? Presently, there are none. Also, there has never been a clear claim as to why this topic should be percieved as notable. This subject may exist, but that is no claim to notability. As is, this article should be deleted. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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