Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parth Ghorpade

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The result was delete due to lack of independent, reliable sources to support WP:GNG notability. RL0919 (talk) 22:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Parth Ghorpade

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WP:TOOSOON case. Only passing mentions, lack WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. Hence, calling for an AfD discussion. -Hatchens (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Hatchens (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: passes WP:NSPORT. Has participated in multiple international events. Has coverage in Firstpost, Moneycontrol, TOI. I have seen far less criteria to keep for footballers and cricketers. Venkat TL (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw to neutral due to @Jovanmilic97: and Hemantha.--Venkat TL (talk) 14:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: He participated in multiple international events and also there are many references.--PQR01 (talk) 02:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Can somebody more familiar with Indian sources do a review of the independence of the sources here? The series this driver has apparently competed in are not prominent enough to suggest any inherent notability, but they may still meet the WP:GNG. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I didn't know how to evaluate LMP2 Euro Le Mans, but per above, fails WP:NMOTORSPORT. Doesn't pass WP:GNG per my assessement below. --Hemantha (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/racing/top-stories/indias-professional-racing-driver-parth-ghorpade-looks-to-set-the-track-ablaze-with-his-performance-next-season/articleshow/86427939.cms	~ Parts about him are all his own quotes	~ WP:TOI	If his quotes are removed, only his list of races remains.	✘ No
https://www.firstpost.com/sports/meet-parth-ghorpade-indias-newest-motor-racing-sensation-1304269.html	Interview, with a lead listing his races	?		✘ No
https://www.zigwheels.com/news-features/news/parth-ghorpade-heads-to-ferrari-driver-academy/16264/	Owned by a car sales company	uncredited	One para quote, rest is race announcement	✘ No
https://www.leblogauto.com/2012/12/bientot-un-champion-de-f1-asiatique.html		says blog	mentions two of his race wins	✘ No
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/auto/-1805719.html		~ author uncredited	lists his races, one quote	✘ No
https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/parth-ghorpade/	?	?	database entry	✘ No
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/auto/-1684117.html		~ author uncredited	routine race coverage, one quote	✘ No
https://www.paddockscout.com/parth-ghorpade-confirms-alps-campaign		? Mostly run by one person	routine race coverage, one quote	✘ No
https://www.euroformulaopen.net/en/news/1581/parth-ghorpade-joins-dav-racing			two paragraph announcement	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

@Hemantha: DriverDB is not a reliable source (for its driver profiles at least, though I wouldn't rely on its articles either). It is mostly user generated (see [1]). A7V2 (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Following Hemantha's source review I feel comfortable voting in favour of deletion, given the lack of apparent sources elsewhere. The European Le Mans Series features teams consisting of a mix of professional and amateur drivers and merely participating in the series is generally not indicative of notability, even if some highly notable drivers do compete in the series. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 13:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Contrary to what first two Keep voters said, "participated in multiple international events" doesn't exist as a notability criteria in this case. Hemantha's excellent source analysis says it all about the references in the article (and my searches bring up only passing mentions and WP:ROUTINE announcements). HumanBodyPiloter5's discussion of European Le Mans Series is spot on, and even then, Ghorpade only competed in first two rounds (meaning not even a half of the whole ELMS season). The other tournaments he fully/mostly took part at were only the lower F1 junior feeder series ones. Fails WP:NMOTORSPORT and WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject seems notable participated in Formula 4, Formula Abarth, Formula Three and other Internationally known Racing Tournaments. Passes WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT. DMySon (talk) 05:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, participating in multiple international tournaments (all low-tier junior feeders at that) isn't of any criteria in WP:NSPORT. Also, he never participated in Formula 3, will remove such a claim. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not disputing anything here, but Euroformula was a Formula Three series when Ghorpade raced in it. MSport1005 (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Lacks significant coverage, as demonstrated quite clearly in Hemantha's table. Keep !votes are not policy-based and all say something to the effect of "he participated in multiple international events", but notability is not inherited. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Hemantha. Continuing to argue that GNG is met without providing further sources is pointless given Hemantha's analysis of the sources. Also doesn't meet either the current NMOTORSPORT or the as yet unimplemented revised version. A7V2 (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MSport1005 has said that this Euroformula race was F3 at the time it happened. Then it means he had raced in a notable race. @5225C@A7V2 @Hemantha @Jovanmilic97@HumanBodyPiloter5 what do you think? Venkat TL (talk) 10:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not inherited. The subject has not received coverage to fulfill the general notability guideline. Therefore the subject does not deserve an article. My !vote remains unchanged. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are misunderstanding Formula Three (which Euroformula ran under) with GP3 Series/FIA Formula 3 Championship. WP:NMOTORSPORT is not satisfied in his case, and wouldn't be even if he raced in an actual F3 (revised motorsport guidelines would clear him only if he either raced a full season in F2 or got a podium). Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Euroformula is an exceedingly minor series; today I would call it a fifth-tier series, in the past it may have been a fourth-tier series or a sixth-tier series; regardless, competitors in Euroformula are very rarely public figures and if they are it's because of factors outside of their racing careers. To all extents and purposes it is an amateur competition. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At the risk of pointless piling on (though I was pinged...), if we assume for a moment that having participated in Euroformula was sufficient to pass NMOTORSPORT, then we would expect to find reliable sources giving substantial coverage. As yet, none has been presented. The sourcing we do have does not satisfy the GNG, as shown above (and has not been refuted). Also for the record (if there is one!) I am of the opinion that Euroformula Open is of the general level of F3 (in both its former and current iterations) and would say that saying someone who drove in it drove in Formula 3 (even now) is not a misleading statement, but it is still just a junior level, not enough to satisfy NMOTORSPORT. A7V2 (talk) 13:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's stretching it a fair bit. My comment was just a tiny nitpick and I wasn't trying to make a point in any way—the fact that EFO was a Formula Three series at the time doesn't mean everyone who's raced in it is notable. The most notable thing Ghorpade's ever done remains two races in ELMS as a silver driver for a team that barely made the top 10. MSport1005 (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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