Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khayal Dzhaniev (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Khayal Dzhaniev

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A BLP without the required level ofsourcing Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:42, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I find the article very useful, Dzhaniev is a rising kickboxer and already a top fighter. Unfortunately the Liverkick rankings are gone (the site was removed), but I can confirm he was top 10 in 2015 after beating lightweight legend Buakaw Banchamek. At Liverkick it was enough to beat a top 10 kickboxer to rank higher than him. 26-year old, signed by Glory (UFC), and with 7 fights in Kunlun Fight (Bellator). What do you say it's wrong? .karellian-24 21:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Liverkick rankings Buakaw Banchamek was not a ranked fighter when they fought[1], so beating him wouldn't have catapulted him into the top 10, especially when Dzhaniev had lost his previous fight. Can you please show me how he meets WP:NKICK or WP:GNG? The coverage I found seemed like routine sports reporting. I know he is not currently ranked, so can you provide any evidence of him being ranked high enough to show notability? Papaursa (talk) 04:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kickboxing rules a bit crap. Superkombat and Kunlun Fight should also be on the list, since they were better than even the new K-1, basically runners-up after Glory. Do you really think Dzhaniev couldn't win a shitty ISKA world title? Winning ISKA, WMC, PKA, WAKO-Pro and WBC Muay Thai is nothing big. Winning a Glory, Superkombat, Kunlun Fight etc championship is. Dzhaniev won Buakaw Banchamek and Christian Baya (also Julio Lobo recently, and before Niclas Larsen and many, many Chinese), I can show you shitty fighters who are winning ISKA/WAKO-Pro titles in the shittest regional promotions with 0 production and no TV. He was definitely a top 20, top 15 probably lightweight at some point. Dzhaniev is pretty good to hold 7 ISKA/WAKO-Pro titles if he wants. Those names are not even bodies anymore in kickboxing, they don't sanction anything like in boxing. It is not important to win such a title, only if you don't fight in Kunlun Fight/Glory in his case. Only WKN is still decent, not so many bums are fighting for "world" belts. Dzhaniev fought a lot in Chelyabinsk, not in Moscow, then since 2015 in China. Something more: if the rules for kickboxing would be the same with MMA, he would pass since Kunlun Fight (and not only, also Superkombat and Glory of Heroes, Wu Ling Feng not really) are a kind of Bellator. He has 7 fights in Kunlun Fight. We should have equal rules, not just fighting for belts... 70% of the MMA fighters at least are shitter than Dzhaniev, especially the Euro bums! Here kickboxing is bigger in Europe and Asia, than United States. .karellian-24 12:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also winning over superstar Buakaw Banchamek even today, is big. It is like winning against Conor McGregor in the last years. How is not that big? Right now in kickboxing we only have 1 independent rankings site, this is a problem. I am watching kickboxing since at least 15 years. .karellian-24 12:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't completely disagree with you about the various organizations, but you need to show that he meets either the notability criteria for kickboxers (WP:NKICK) or WP:GNG. The fact that you don't like the existing criteria is irrelevant, as is your personal opinion of a fighter. Of course, you can go to WT:NSPORT and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts/Kickboxing task force and seek a change of the kickboxer notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 02:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy (talk) 05:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't meet the notability criteria for kickboxers at WP:NKICK. My search, in English, did not find the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. I found fight results and coverage, but I don't think that's sufficient to show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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