Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Nepomuceno Flores

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The result was delete. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 18:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Nepomuceno Flores

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The user who created this article turns out to be a pathological liar. Assuming Juan exists, is any of the history (conveniently sourced to paper books without URL) true? Is this person notable? Are we better off using WP:TNT rather than risk WP:CITOGENESIS?

Whpq tried to speedy this but was contested. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He seems to be real- I found this [1] in google books. There appears to be another Juan N. Flores around the same time; not sure if this one is notable or not yet. Curdle (talk) 16:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I don't doubt that this is a real person. What I doubt is notability. At the time I nominated this for speedy deletion, the article just asserted that the subject participated in a couple of notable battles. Since then, there is an assertion that he "was instrumental in organizing and commanding Texian volunteers in support of the Texas Revolution" but that is not backed with any sources. Note that this phrasing looks to be copied word for word from Salvador Flores. There are no inline sources. The three given sources provide no page numbers. The first source is a muster roll. That may serve to verify that this person was in any given unit or battle but as a primary source, it does nothing to establish notability. The second is a book which is searchable at Google books. I cannot find this person mentioned in the book at all. The third reference is an eight volume collection of the writings of Sam Houston. Although it might usable to verify facts, it would not establish notability. A substantial potion can be viewed here. I searched the available text and could not find this person mentioned. I also found the entry in the same book mentioned by Curdle. However, the Daughters of the Republic of Texas are going to document everybody so that just establishes the person exists. I'll also note that the subject "was noted for heroic actions during the Siege of Béxar and during the Battle of San Jacinto" but does not provide any detail as to what these heroics are notr can I find any record of them. All of the claims for notability are unverified and all we have left in terms of verifiable information is that the subject was a soldier. -- Whpq (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the assessment put forth by Whpq. Even if verifiable, the assertions of notability are vague and do not appear to merit an article. All the article says is that he was born, served in the Texian army, and died (in a city that was named for more notable members of his family). That's not enough. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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