Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim McMillan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus was that the subject is notable. Any other actions can be discussed at the talk page. (non-admin closure) Rollidan (talk) 03:13, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jim McMillan

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Perfect example of WP:BIO1E. Tragic, yet the victim is not notable except as the result of the crime. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:28, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:28, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Lynching victims are often an uncomfortalbe topic for people. So I feel it is important to expand upon lynching that have newscoverage. As shown by the sources in the article, this African-American lynching victim received media coverage when the event happened. Article is a start article and will be expanded upon as more details are found -- Thats Just Great (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Rename to Lynching of Jim McMillan -It really does seem to be a case of WP:BIO1E. Three of the sources are just very brief news blurbs written in the immediate aftermath of the murderers' arrests, one is just the victims' name in a list, and the last is not about the victim at all, and is about the Red Summer in general. Although certainly tragic, there is not much demonstrating notability for the individual outside of the reports of his lynching. Alternatively, I could support a Merge to Red Summer, if it can be done without going against WP:UNDUE. Rorshacma (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can support renaming the article, and shifting the focus to the incident rather than the individual, as suggested below. I have changed my recommendation accordingly. Rorshacma (talk)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. No opinion as yet on the notability of this subject, but there's no way this is the primary topic for 'Jim McMillan', and if kept it needs to be moved to a disambiguated title and this article restored to being a redirect to James McMillan. If deleted, a redirect should be retained. --Michig (talk) 16:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I definitely agree with the redirect being reinstated after the conclusion of this AfD.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If the article survives what would the disambiguated title be? Jim McMillan (Lynching victim)? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 19:55, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Murder of Jim McMillan? The article's about the lynching rather than the man after all. --Michig (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's reasonable -- Thats Just Great (talk) 22:55, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lynching of Jim McMillan is the usual house style. See, e.g., Lynching of Jesse Washington and Lynching of George Armwood. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge - the fact that his killers were put on trial for murder is in itself notable. Bearian (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. and rename to Lyching of ... as suggested. There's enough specific information to justify a separate article. DGG ( talk ) 03:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This was a notable lynching.Strandvue (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Lynching of Jim McMillan, per house style.

Two more contemporary news reports here and quoted here. I could find nothing about the trial – if it ever took place.

Jim McMillan should be a redirect to the DAB page James McMillan tagged as {{R from ambiguous term}}. A consequential edit to the DAB page will be needed, to point to the renamed article rather than to the (circular) redirect. Narky Blert (talk) 12:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Lynching of Jim McMillan -- I would support the last suggestion on DAB, but the target article will need a DAB capnote. I wonder whether there may not be a case for merging this with other similar lynchings. Certainly do not delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is enough coverage about the subject and the trial of his killers for a separate article. Nikoo.Amini (talk) 01:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.