Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ida Loo-Talvari

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 01:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ida Loo-Talvari

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. When I first came across this article, the only source cited was to an unreliable genealogy website. I removed that source because it isn't usable per the reliable sources noticeboard. The subject's only claim to notability in the article is who her husband and brother are. This seems to be a case of WP:NOTINHERITED. 4meter4 (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, Estonia, Russia, and Sweden. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per http://etbl.teatriliit.ee/artikkel/loo-talvari_ida8 is a serious source --Estopedist1 (talk) 07:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Do you even do a proper WP:BEFORE nominating? It's not a case of WP:NOTINHERITED. She was a prominent opera singer in her own right. She has an entry at Eesti Entsüklopeedia. There is an Eesti Televisioon documentary about her. Detailed article in Eesti Sõna. Has a page at the Estonian Central Library. There's literally a bust of her at the Art Museum of Estonia. Passes WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. ExRat (talk) 07:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ExRat Thank you for finding reference. I do think it's wrong to make assumptions about BEFORE searches made by others; particularly when all of the sources you found are not in English. It's unlikely that Estonian language references, like the ones you found, would be found in a standard WP:BEFORE. Indeed requiring nominators to search in foreign languages they don't speak or read or criticizing them for not doing so is bordering on WP:Bad faith.4meter4 (talk) 00:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4. I do apologize if my phrasing sounded rude. It wasn't intentional. In retrospect, I should have phrased it as "Did you do a proper WP:BEFORE nominating?" or "Are you sure you did a thorough WP:BEFORE before nominating?" I can see how that came off as rather impolite. I do however disagree that nominators shouldn't be required to search for valid references in foreign languages before nominating. If someone is going to nominate an article for deletion, it's my opinion that before they nominate, it should be incumbent on them to do a very thorough WP:BEFORE. Valid references can't be disregarded just because they don't happen to be in English. Google translate can help parse references. Cheers, and once again, apologies. ExRat (talk) 02:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I can't access it without going to a computer at the university in a different city (or finding a paper copy), but there was what seems like a significant article about her life and career in Göteborgs Handels- och Sjöfartstidning 4 March 1960, and another promising one in the same newspaper on 13 January 1950, in addition to what has been mentioned above. /Julle (talk) 12:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in view of the sources identified by ExRat including a national encyclopedia and a dedicated television documentary that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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