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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftify both articles. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

iPhone SE (2020)

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Articles on unreleased/unannounced products which only have rumors as their sources. I am also nominating

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 17:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 17:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, please keep the page up for another two weeks. Apple is going to announce this product pretty soon, so it'd be useless to delete this page only to resurrect it when Apple announces it. Please reply. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 18:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it's two weeks or two months is irrelevant. My answer here is still the same: There is nothing you can do to satisfy WP:CRYSTALBALL short of Apple announcing and releasing the product and secondary sources becoming available to support an article. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK then. Go ahead and delete the article. I have a copy of it saved in my userspace. When the time is ripe, I'll put it out. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 18:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. major products like this which are well along in production are normally discussed in advance, just like unreleased films that have entered principal photography . It should be possible to find many other references. The main question is the exact name that the product will have when it is released, but thearticle can be moved if necessary. DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all When it's announced, create it. Don't until then. We're not MacRumors. No prejudice to a switch to keep when it hits the (likely for good reason for now) virtual streets. Nate • (chatter) 23:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Updated delete all for all the further random 'guess' redirects found by Locke; don't create redirects based on what you might think the product is called. Nate • (chatter) 04:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:TOOSOON WP:CRYSTAL Lightburst (talk) 02:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Locke Cole: Just letting you know that all of the redirects will be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#G8 when the article iPhone SE (2020) is deleted (as redirects pointing to a non-existent page) so there is not really a point to nominating them here. -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 18:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. =) I know from prior AFD's they can be overlooked sometimes. And given the number of inbound redirects, it kind of drives the point of WP:CRYSTALBALL being violated. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's no longer just the rumor sites, but , for example, Forbes: spence, Ewan (April 3, 2020). "Apple Loop: New iPhone SE Exposed, Stunning iPhone 12 Leaks, Apple Swiftly Shuts Down Android App". Forbes., CNET: Orellana, Vanessa Hand (April 7, 2020). "iPhone 12 'supercycle' could make 2020 a big year for Apple". cnet. .Does this suffice, Locke Cole , KAP03 , Mrschimpf ? DGG ( talk ) 20:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @DGG: I would say that until the iPhone SE (2020) or whatever it is called is launched any information regarding it would still be rumors. Also, the articles you listed still are based on rumors meaning the articles should still be deleted. -KAP03 (Talk • Contributions • Email) 21:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
when responsible journalists for major national publications report them, then we can also. I understand the general reason for not making articles too early, and a month ago I would have agreed that too little definite information has been published. (and I'm a little curious about will be published tomorrow or the next day). Waiting for the official announcement is following the timeline of the company PR people; we should rather follow reputable journalists. DGG ( talk ) 22:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DGG: Thank you for those additional sources. As a compromise I would be open to draftifying IPhone SE (2020) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) until something concrete is announced. I still stand by my prior Delete on IPhone 12 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (and related redirects). —Locke Cole • t • c 23:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify iPhone SE (2020) as the device is likely to be imminently released. I can foresee the existing content and sources to remain in some form in a future article about the device; supply-chain issues surrounding it and its delayed release are relevant, encyclopedic information that would still merit mention after the device has been released. Delete iPhone 12 as the product is in all likelihood not going to be released anytime soon; most rumors point to it as a product to be released in a few months, and more info on the device is bound to be published to the extent that existing sources are not likely to be useful in a future article. feminist (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I second draftifying. Verizon already accidentally revealed it’s coming out this year in their upgrade plan. ⌚️ (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with draftifying. I third it. Draftifying it is the best way to go, since this phone is going to be released soon. -◊PRAHLADBalaji 21:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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