Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamilton Tigers (CPHL)

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The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton Tigers (CPHL)

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Can't find enough in-depth sourcing to show that it passes WP:GNG, could be a redirect, either to Canadian Professional Hockey League or International Hockey League (1929–1936), both of where it is mentioned, although I feel the latter is the better target, since it was the last league they were in. However, a sysop from French WP insists on recreating this stub solely sourced to a database, stating that that is enough to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a boneheaded WP:MILL, move to unredirect. This fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:NTEAM, respectively. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:A578:6010:913C:51E3 (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You cite respectively an essay, a guideline for individual players that does not apply to teams, and a guideline that explicitly states that it is not providing a guideline for teams. This article can't fail WP:NHOCKEY, which is inapplicable, nor WP:NTEAM, which doesn't provide a guideline to fail. Jahaza (talk) 23:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Those two do not apply. And there is no Ice hockey project team guideline, although there have been no objections to other teams in the league. I think the nom is really due to the fact that the article has been a stub for a long time. Alaney2k (talk) 06:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The french sysop (me) don't insist to create this article : he insist to not have a redirect from here to Hamilton Tigers. The Hamilton Tigers (in NHL) were disbanded in 1925, the Hamilton Tigers (in CPHL) were created in 1926 with the same name. The redirect is simply an error but User:onel5969, with the excuse of GNG, and without reading Hamilton Tigers, where is explained "A namesake amateur team existed prior to and during the NHL team's existence, and a minor league professional team named the Hamilton Tigers existed from 1926 to 1930." (bold from me), didn't understand that and recreated the uncorrect redirect. Creating a redirect error because of GNG is ridiculous...

For me : delete this article is not really a problem but I think it's not a good option. But let the redirect is an error. I think that user:Alaney2k who created the redirect and didn't revert me can have an opinion (he wasn't alert of this discussion I think)

Last thing : I mentionnate my french sysop rights to explain I'm not a newcomer. Not to say I'm over the rules. Supertoff (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what is going on here, but this team was the second-tier to the NHL. The equivalent of the AHL today. The other teams in the CPHL and IHL have articles. I got here late, but I am willing to add content to the article. It had several players that played both in the NHL and here. I don't see how NHOCKEY (for players) or NTEAM applies (no guideline). We could merge with Syracuse Stars. Alaney2k (talk)
Keep (edited) As a precursor to the long-time Buffalo Bison AHL team, and linked with NHL players and NHL Hall of Famer Percy LeSueur, I think the team ends up having general notability. The unfortunate part about the time period is the lack of electronic resources to many newspapers of the 20s and 30s, so it will always be hard to dig up references. However I do think the team passes GNG. Alaney2k (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I found a few long game reports in Google newspapers and one article about the sale of the team, which I added to the article. It's difficult to find relevant articles partly because there was also a Hamilton Tigers at about the same time which was one of the top rugby teams in Canada. Jahaza (talk) 03:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - please note that neither of the two above keep !votes are based on policy.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Syracuse Stars (ice hockey): It is hard to determine notability on the team itself from research as there are not a whole lot of digitized papers from the era that I can search through well and of those a vast majority are false positive to the pre-1926 NHL franchise; however, there is enough here to merge parts of this article into the Syracuse Stars article at the least. Please ping if new sourcing is found so I can re-evaluate my !vote. TartarTorte 01:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, it doesn't really make sense to merge with Syracuse Stars as the same team was later the Buffalo Bisons (AHL). Jahaza (talk) 03:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The teams very easily meets WP:GNG due to extensive newspapers coverage by the Brantford Expositor, The Hamilton Spectator, and the Toronto Star. Recent changes and WP:HEY confirm this coverage. Flibirigit (talk) 13:10, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per above. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a real team. We should not be deleting real, notable things. Maine 🦞 19:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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