Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guacimal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 00:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guacimal

I created this article, and even I believe that it should be deleted. It provides little to no context, and has barely been edited at all. Dylan 620 _Contribs ^Sign! 23:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a possible miss-spelling of Guasimal, Cuba?--Oakshade (talk) 00:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you've got the right idea, but the wrong Guasimal. See my entry below. TheFeds 04:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep this location exists. Simply because the author wants it deleted doesn't mean that it necessarily should be deleted. As WP:OWN says, no author owns any article. travb (talk) 01:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If it exists, prove it. Surely you can find a reference that it exists in the next seven days. --Golbez (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hourglass is half empty, and you've made no attempt. --Golbez (talk) 02:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wikipedia:There_is_no_deadline LinguistAtLarge 22:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Wikipedia:AFDs end after seven days. --Golbez (talk) 05:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cuba Jason Rees (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless verification is found that this place exists. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is Guasimal, Pinar del Río the same place? [1][2][3] (This seems to be in Pinar del Río, instead of Camagüey, like Oakshade's link.) If so, then move to an article on Guasimal, Pinar del Río, Cuba and redirect if evidence exists that Guacimal is a valid alternative name. (If kept on this basis, I presume that notability will be established independently—whatever the standard is for places.) TheFeds 04:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, Delete: The only evidence that the place exists are from wiki sites. I have found a Guacimal in Honduras, Costa Rica, Colombia, and Haiti... but no Cuba. --Sallicio^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 01:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fancy seeing you here, Sallicio. :P Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 02:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm not certain, but it seems to exist. There may be something I'm missing... Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 02:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]
- ~~Your link gives information to a city in Honduras, not Cuba. Malinaccier (talk) 03:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]
- Delete as per everyone else. One big misunderstanding here, it seems. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 21:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I would say keep, but nothing can be found to verify that the place exists. Malinaccier (talk) 03:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sorry, no Cuban city by that name appears to be on the map. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cuba-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 05:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Maybe the hurricanes wiped the city off the map? Tavix (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence has been provided by the keep crowd. StonerDude420 (talk) 07:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep--From a news source from Cuba we can establish that: Guasinal has a population of 5,000; The foundation of the town dates to 1864; Che Guevara established his first guerrilla camp near the town.--Jmundo (talk) 07:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per WP:NGL, every geographic location or entity that has a name and a verified location is suitable for inclusion as a topic for an article in Wikipedia. As noted, and thanks to Jmundo, that the piece is sourced and referenced makes this one an easy Keep. Nice job ShoesssS ^Talk 11:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There is still the small matter that this article is about Guacimal, and the sources are about Guasimal. Do we have any evidence that any of the information in this article applies to Guasimal? This looks more to me as if we should delete this and start an article on Guasimal from scratch. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree fully. Delete Gua'''c'''imal and start new article on the Guasimal, in the Sancti Spíritus Province where Che Guevara setup camp, using Jmundo's source from the reliable source Escambray. I have modified my entry for delete to reflect this. Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 13:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and start new article on Guasimal, Sancti Spíritus Jmundo's source seems to be for a different place: Guasimal, in the Sancti Spíritus Province. The place identified as being affected by a hurricane in the article in question (and hence the article name) is a Guacimal in the Pinar del Río Province. The difference was already noted by others in this AfD, including the possibility of one Guasimal/Guacimal in the Camagüey Province. While it is not unusual for reliable sources to misspell name places, nor it is unusual for the same name for a place to happen in different areas of the same country (even with slightly different spellings), until we have more reliable sources for verification of which of the many Guasimal/Guacimal this article refers to am afraid we have to delete. We must not add to the confussion in the googletubes. However, if new sources emerge that clearly disambiguate the situation, and establish that a Guacimal in the Pinar del Río exists and was affected by a hurricane, then I am all for keep, as per WP:NGL. All I am saying is that we should pay more attention to spellings and other geo-identification before taking whatever the googletubes say at face value. Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 13:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I created Guasimal, Sancti Spíritus with Jmundo's source. Regardless of the result of this AfD, that's a new article. I used the province name in the title as there are obvious disambiguation issues with this town name as per MoS. Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is yet another Guasimal in the Matanzas Province as per this [4]. This is clearly a disambiguation issue. Furthermore, the article for Sancti Spíritus (the city, not province) already mentioned Guasimal as part of the municipality. I wiki-linked it to the new article. Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 13:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment --The mysterious case of Guacimal...Looking back to my "googletube", the only reference I can find about Guacimal, Cuba is a french book published in 1842, "The Natural History of Cuba", says that Guacimal is a lagoon. I'm trying to verify this information in another source.--Jmundo (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENTIt's really too bad no one's getting paid for all the research going into this!--Sallicio ^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 21:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, we all wish! Seriously, this is what AfDs should be about... figuring it out! Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 01:30, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Even if it's a lagoon it's notable I'm afraid. --Balloholic (talk) 16:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A lagoon according to a single reference from 1842. --Golbez (talk) 21:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.