Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag of Polesia

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 22:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Polesia

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An extremely minor blip of Belarusian nationalism - Altenmann >talk 19:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Belarus, Poland, and Ukraine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I had initially gone with an WP:ATD redirect to Poleshuks, but that article does not currently mention flags. As far as the notability of this topic goes, I'm unable to find any sources beyond the cited book and a less-than-reliable-looking Russian site cited by the be.wiki article, which in turn cites the same book ([1]). Having tracked down said book, I'm unable to find any mentions of various Polesia/Poleshuk-related terms in the contents search. We're on shaky ground for even establishing that this flag has existed, let alone establishing its independent notability. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is mentioned on pages 31-32 of that book. [2]. It was a flag of one movements of Yotvingians in Belarus in the 90s.Ceriy (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding that PDF. It seems like the information on those pages is totally distinct from what's actually made it into our article, however. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think original article was much better and more correct and so the book was a perfect source for what it was then. Later as the article was rewritten it makes less sense, it reads that flag was of all Poleshuks, when in reality it was a small area of Belarus. The author of the book was a big flag historian from Belarus, so the flag was important and it did exist. However the organization promoting and using it was active in 88-95. Current article makes it seems like it is current time also.Ceriy (talk) 14:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ceriy, do you think it's possible to revert the article back to a version that did demonstrate notability? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There was no "original article" that demonstrated notability. - Altenmann >talk 04:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge back into Polesia. Right now it's a fork that only has a single source, which by definition means it fails significant coverage test for notability. If the problems are in fact fixed, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 16:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any information to merge though? All versions of the article written assert that this was a flag of Polesia, but the sole source only refers to the flag as the flag of the Young Yotvingians (a group that I can find no information about online in English, Belarusian or Russian). The only reference to Polesia in that source is noting that the Young Yotvingians took inspiration from Taras Bulba-Borovets's nationalist partisans in WWII, who were active in Polesia. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE. If nobody can find nothing, then what are we doing here? - Altenmann >talk 04:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can we find other sources? How extensive is the discussion of the flag in the single source cited? Leaning redirect/merge due to single source (SIGCOV issue mentioned above). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find other sources? Even this single source cited say not what our article says:

У апошні час пачаў складвацца нацыянальны рух ятвягаў, ад якога нядаўна аддзяліўся рух младаятвягаў, які ўзначальвае Шэляговіч. Ятвягі, якія не пажадалі прымкнуць да младаятвягаў, сталі называцца стараятвягамі і прытрымліваюцца гістарычна склаўшыхся напрамкаў традыцый беларусаў. Флагам стараятвягаў з'яўляецца палотнішча з трох гарызантальных палос: белай, сіняй і белай, што асацыіруецца з ракой Сож. Младаятвягі выкарыстоўваюць у сваім флагу ўкраінскія блакітную (верхняя) і жоўтую (сярэдняя) палосы, якія дапоўнены зялёнай

Relevant translated: "The Young Yotvingians use the Ukrainian blue (top) and yellow (middle) stripes in their flag, which are complemented by green"., I.e., it does not say it is flag of the whole Polesia. And cannot, because Polesia has Belarusian and Ukrainian parts, and there is absolutely no evidence that this movement reached Ukrainne; it was extremely marginal and I am surprized we are wasting time on them. - Altenmann >talk 04:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I found an interview with the author of the flag and see that he is a thorough ignoramus, who thinks that Yotvingians are Slavs. - Altenmann >talk 04:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pofka @Marcelus - any thoughts? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because I think this article fails WP:NOTABLE. My quick Google search do not provide any WP:RS about this proposed flag. Moreover, per provided content in this article this proposed flag was never used officially by a region or Poleshuks ethnic group and was likely proposed/created by only one person Nikolai Shelyagovich (who is described in his article as Yotvingian separatist). If somebody will provide WP:VERIFIABLE WP:RS about this flag, then we can merge it into a newly created section in article Poleshuks. Otherwise, we should not flood Wikipedia with various dubiously proposed and never widely used symbols/flags by niche politicians (in the case of Shelyagovich he is likely some kind of niche nationalist). -- Pofka (talk) 20:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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