Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edelmiro Abad

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was relist articles individually. m.o.p 08:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edelmiro Abad

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Non-notable stub article. Victim of September 11 attacks but does not meet WP:NOTABILITY guidelines. Also, article falls under WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they fail to meet WP:NOTABILITY and appear to fall under WP:NOTMEMORIAL.

Oppose as a group - With most I agree are nonnotable but a few that I think are like Peter J. Ganci, Jr. and Charles Edward Jones so I am going to oppose as a group. --Kumioko (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—Why are Ganci, Jr. and Jones more notable than the others? Neither article lists information that would meet WP:NOTABILITY. Ganci, Jr. was merely a fire chief and Jones happened to be aboard AA Flight 11. Neither article states any information that proves notability. Sottolacqua (talk) 23:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is the internet going to run out of room? Why do we have to delete these pages at all? Who cares about what the policy is. These people were killed in one of the worst attacks on the United States in its history. Maybe it could bring some solace to their families to know that they are remembered, or at least noticed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.224.164 (talk) 23:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—WP:NOTMEMORIAL. A site outside of Wikipedia can be setup as a memorial. Sottolacqua (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate them separately. Some of them might have long lasting notability. For the non-notable perhaps we can merge into a list List of victims of the September 11 attacks or something along those lines.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 00:30, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment These really can't be judged as a group. There is no automatic notability for the over 3,000 people who died on 9/11. On the other hand, there is no automatic presumption that a person who died on 9/11 is barred from being the subject of an article. Not every person on this list is "non-notable", and each one is an individual case. In this instance, I would say Keep Abraham Zelmanowitz, Charles Edward Jones and Orio Palmer, based on non-local coverage well after the event; Ángel Juarbe, Jr. would be a weak keep. On the other hand, I would say, regretfully, Delete the pages for Edelmiro Abad, William M. Feehan, Peter J. Ganci, Jr. (weak delete), Timothy Welty, and Zhe Zeng , which appear to have been based on memorial coverage back in 2001 or 2002. Again, however, I don't think that one can really do a mass !keep or !delete on whether they died that day. Mandsford 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I overlooked Charles Edward Jones and missed the significance of Ganci. On the question posed, "Why are Ganci, Jr. and Jones more notable?", Ganci was the Chief of Department for the FDNY and the highest ranking officer [1]-- the other 342 firefighters were no less brave, but not as prominent within the department. However, the post-9/11 coverage of him seems to have been meager. Jones was a former NASA astronaut, and though there's no policy that I know of, space exploration has been given a high priority here. Mandsford 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as a group. Relist individually for the reasons previously stated. --Daysleeper47 (talk) 21:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relist the articles individually because they cannot be judged as a group. The people listed in this AfD have varying degrees of notability. Some pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines, while others do not. I agree with the opinions advanced by Mandsford (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 22:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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