Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominion (Star Trek)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Dominion War. Clear consensus not to retain the article below, and of the various merge proposals, this clearly had the most support. Daniel (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dominion (Star Trek)

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Plot summary history of creation, the latter sourced to DVD commentary. No reception, analysis, etc. BEFORE shows many passing mentions in sources but nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. What little serious coverage I see is about the Dominion War, a related but different topic (story arc/fictional event), and that article is better (it even has a reception section). I suggest, per WP:ATD, to redirect this entry there, unless someone can find reliable, non-trivial sources discussing the Dominion itself as an entity (I failed). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Television, and Politics. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty confident this will meet GNG, but given that the vast bulk of the subject is directly related to the Dominion War article subject, I think a merge by WP:NOPAGE is probably best. I think a few paragraphs in a new section titled § The Dominion might suffice. Probably after § Development so as not to need to repeat too much from that section. —siro χ o 06:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rewrite and expand as needed. As a long time Star Trek fan, I can say that the Dominion and the Dominion War was a major storyline in multiple series -- Star Trek:Deep Space Nine, Picard, Star Trek:Lower Decks, etc., and assorted noncanon tie-in novels. It meets general notability guidelines and there are sources, which I do not have time to hunt down. However, this is not the place for any cleanup that needs to be done and this is not an article that should have been nominated for deletion. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 10:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So your argument is you're a fan and WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES. --Mika1h (talk) 13:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve seen mainstream news coverage explaining what the Dominion was in reviews of the recent TV show Picard. I’m not inclined to spend the time required to find and cite them all.Bookworm857158367 (talk) 14:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a few sources and added them to the article's talk page under a {{refideas}}. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think there's enough that's not related to Dominion War to have an article that isn't primarily overlap/summary? —siro χ o 19:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This. Plus some of those "reference ideas" are unreliable or obvious plot sumamries - "The Birth of the Dominion and Beyond – via Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season 3 DVD special features" or episode guides/reviews. And Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion is "A lavishly illustrated episode-by-episode guide to the popular series offers fans plot summaries, complete credits and casting anecdotes"... sorry, no, this stuff might be good for Fandom but not Wikipedia. These days we have some standards such as WP:GNG... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect To Star Trek: Deep Space Nine#The Dominion War. This is pure Memory Alpha content, and is too much of a plot summary to justify a separate page. I have no prejudice towards recreation if WP:INDISCRIMINATE can be passed by demonstrating the importance of the subject. I also have no objection to draftification until it can be improved further. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse merge with Dominion War. Somewhere between those two related topics there might be an article that meets WP:SIGCOV. And it can be re-evaluated after the information has been re-organized. As is, this article doesn't have enough coverage to justify a separate article. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Every editor participating in this discussion has a different idea of what should happen with this article so at least one relisting is an inevitability. And we have different Redirect target articles proposed so that needs sorting out. As for a "reverse merge", if there is a consensus for that, it will have to be handled by another closer as that is not one of the options that XFDcloser allows us to do.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Dominion War. One article is sufficient at this time, and the other article is more developed. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep This article is important as is part of Deep Space Nine's plot. As well, the Dominion is a featured antagonist faction almost all the series. Capaitan Kirter7007 (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ITSIMPORTANT is not a very strong argument. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Dominion was a major race in Deep Space Nine, featuring from season two and becoming prominent in later seasons and it is therefore appropriate to have its own article. Rillington (talk) 05:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
agree Alivaditis (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC) — Alivaditis (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Redirect to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine#The Dominion War: Honestly, all of the discussions of the Dominion revolve around the storyline that features them. Meanwhile, the article itself has no independent sourcing whatsoever. There is nothing worth preserving here. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 02:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dominion War. Unlike other major Star Trek races (Klingons, Romulans, even the Gorn and the Borg), the Dominion serves no other narrative purpose in the series to date than to be at war with the Federation. BD2412 T 20:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dominion War. Unlike other important Star Trek races they are only really featured in one property, DS9, and in one relationship to the Federation, war. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer Dominion War to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine#The Dominion War as the merge target because it is longer and it potentially has room for some of this sourced content. The main DS9 page is well served by the short section currently there, but as User:Piotrus says above there are certainly enough sources to justify a spin out on the story arc, even if not the antagonists separately. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus or even an agreement on a Merge/Redirect target article if this article isn't Kept. The only consensus I do see is that this page should exist in some form and not be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! User talk:Liz} 07:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz SOFTDELETION with redirecting should solve most issues, IMHO. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As Liz rightly notes, there seems to be a divide in the opinion as to whether to merge this article about a very significant protagonist in DS9 into a wider article about a story arc, and this could see the information contained about such a notable Star Trek species lost to Wikipedia. This is why I voted to keep this article.Rillington (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Losing information is not an issue here. If the article doesn't pass WP:GNG, or any other notability guideline, it should not exist. Also, Memory Alpha exists. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do feel that the article easily passes any notability threshold due to this species being probably the most prominent species regarding story arcs during the second half of DS9. And thank you for mentioning Memory Alpha - I hadn't previously heard of that site. Rillington (talk) 07:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as one of the most prominent Star Trek civilizations -- if we have articles on Ferengi and Borg, then we should have one on the Dominion. AFD should not be used for cleanup. —Lowellian (reply) 00:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. Rillington (talk) 07:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More WP:ITSIMPORTANT? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Still Keep~~ My vote will be not in vain, I'll do my best for the article to be keep. Resitance is not futile yet!Capaitan Kirter7007 (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Struck double-!vote. Daniel (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Looks as too specific fiction concept for separate article on Wikipedia and has just two references. Dawid2009 (talk) 08:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge(?) Rather than delete, merge article into Star Trek: Deep Space Nine as a section olef641 (talk)
Merge with Dominion War: or the other way around, as long as attributions are kept via WP:HISTMERGE. Owen× ☎ 13:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.