Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Wolf 359 (2 nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep -- as per the consensus of this discussion. Pastor Theo (talk) 09:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Wolf 359

I believe this article constituting a partial plot summary of a fictional work violates Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). I have nominated it separately because it contains several correctly formatted, but ultimately flawed in-line citations. These constitute links to in-universe works such as the Star Trek Encyclopedia (which, if accepted as a basis for notability would demand an article about every minor character, item, and event in a variety of fictional universes) and a trivial mention in an internet-only review of a video game. The article covers plot and "impact on the series" but does not even attempt to claim any impact outside of the series. Savidan 19:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep originating point of the DSN TV show, and several episodes deal with it, so merge the TV episodes into this article, instead of having a separate article for each episode. / possibly merge with a "Timeline of wars in Star Trek" article. 76.66.192.91 (talk) 05:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Major event in Star Trek Timeline in two separate series. If not redirect to Timeline of Star Trek#24th century or Stars and planetary systems in fiction#Wolf 359. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation), the episode in which the battle is first seen. This isn't Memory Alpha. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (with the disclaimer that I only accessed this article as a result of The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation) being shown as an as an unedited full-length movie just a few hours ago on UK prime-time free-to-air TV). Despite being 'in universe' with Savidan's obvious concern about WP:RS, wouldn't a delete, redirect or merge be more harmful then keeping it? I am only here because I specifically typed 'Battle of Wolf 359' into the Main Page search box. 90.199.112.110 (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the page was redirected and merged, when you typed that in you would still find the content you were looking for, so no, I don't believe it would be harmful. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the episode in which it occurs. The battle is not even seen, only its aftermath. However, I thought this was the name of that episode, and I'm sure people remember it that way, so it is a perfectly good search term. Abductive (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the battle is shown in the first episode of Deep Space Nine, so which episode are you talking about? 76.66.192.91 (talk) 05:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - In The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation)#Part 2 the Enterprise arrives at the scene to see the drifting wreckage. Abductive (talk) 06:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I just watched a youtube video of the 1 minute and 25 second poorly CGI'd bit of Sisko escaping. The entire battle's relevance boils down to two points; the Federation fleet was annihilated, and it forms part of Sisko's backstory. As a stand-alone topic it is not analyzed in third party sources, and can therefore be handled in the articles on the episodes. Abductive (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Despite the fact that it is a fictional event, it does play an important role in the Star Trek canon, and while this isn't Memory Alpha, I do believe that there's a place for this article here. Frmatt (talk) 07:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Could use more real world perspective, but this is a significant plot point for multiple series' and could use this central exposition. Does need work. Dheppens (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is an important event in canon, it is needed The C of E (talk) 08:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That it is an important event within the Star Trek universe or canon or whatever you want to call it is not in doubt. What we are talking about here is independent notability in the real world as established, like every other article, by coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. So, saying keep because it's important to Star Trek fans is not a valid argument. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.