Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BambooHR

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The result was delete. Those supporting keeping the article did not address the objections that the sourcing did not meet the additional guidelines for evaluating sourcing found in NCORP and only one dealt with the promotional claim. The weight of the arguments in this case is in favour of deletion. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BambooHR

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NOTPROMO - Awards lists and the lot. Lots of ref spam but nothing that isn't based on press releases/interviews or are indepth. Fails WP:NCORP Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The author has posted here. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 10:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The issue of wrong writing style is solved about award list. The Software page cited references from PCMag, Deseret News, Inc. (magazine), Entrepreneur (magazine), Bloomberg, Daily Herald, The Financial Express, Forbes, and The Salt Lake Tribune so there is no need to raise question on notability of the topic.
https://www.inc.com/todd-mckinnon/the-10-apps-to-watch-in-2017.html
http://au.pcmag.com/cloud-services/41880/guide/the-best-hr-software-of-2017
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/289703
http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-biz-pays-employees-to-take-vacations-or-get-paid-to-take-vacation
http://www.financialexpress.com/industry/vacation-on-mind-but-money-is-tight-these-5-companies-pay-their-employees-to-go-on-holiday/625217/
http://www.heraldextra.com/business/local/during-live-elevate-summit-bamboohr-expands-its-outreach-to-global/article_e38551ff-57ee-59cc-b44c-bf596b5049fc.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgebradt/2014/03/19/want-your-new-employees-personal-commitment-take-their-onboarding-personally/
https://www.deseretnews.com/top/3743/57/1-BambooH
https://www.pcmag.com/article/351854/bamboohr-extends-its-expertise-to-payroll-management
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=254211320

EShami (talk) 10:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merely having citations doesn't mean much. We need multiple instances of indepth coverage (at least a full paragraph or two) about the company that are not based on press releases or interviews. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:10, 15 December 2017 (UTC) Because there is no indepth coverage about the company, all you have written is what awards its won, promoting great the culture is, and the software, but nothing about the company. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC) Most of those that I see seem to be promotional pieces based on interviews/press releases. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Galobtter Using the word of Award winning was used wrongly, I understand and removed already. Now the words are saying "Software is mentioned in/ named as". There is no award wining claim in the text now.

Please look on these articles which are using indepth knowledge about the Software.

EShami (talk) 11:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nominator; no evidence of notability in terms of reliable source coverage. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply There is need to review the topic in detail instead of being linked with nominator point. Why are you not considering the Top resources as Notable? Nominator was pointing out the word Award Winning and this was wrong. I removed already and listed it as media mentions. This article is about a software, not a person. Where are these resources not reliable?

Please look on these articles which are using indepth knowledge about the Software.

Please read the above posts before voting. EShami (talk) 18:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unsalvageably promotional article and thus excluded from Wikipedia by the WP:NOTADVERTISING policy. Rentier (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the whole promotional looking content. Deleted the "Company Culture" section. Only verifiable and neutral info is present. EShami (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete - Still smacks of advertising. I'm in favor of offboarding this.~~ Carrite (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Carrite, Text has been changed again. Trying to remove all promotional looking content. You can delete the content as if you look somewhere promotion or advertising. EShami (talk) 09:34, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

EShami (talk · contribs), pings do not work without a signature. Pinging Carrite (talk · contribs) on your behalf. I agree that a lot of the promotional material has been removed. Cunard (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Now the article is merely vacuous and bad, not promotional. Meets GNG. Carrite (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Murphy, Shawn (2015). The Optimistic Workplace: Creating an Environment That Energizes Everyone. New York: American Management Association. ISBN 081443620X. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The book notes on pages 106–107:
  The dancing panda mascot of BambooHR, a young company outside Salt Lake City, Utah, is a sight to see, with its big head and long body. BambooHR makes an HR software solution for businesses growing in human resources complexities. What interested me about the company is its antiworkaholic policy. Certainly it's a plus in terms of morale, and besides that it plays a significant influence on meaning. Let's look at actions you can take as a steward to help meaning emerge at work. We'll start with the benefits of BambooHR's antiworkaholic policy:
  Focus on how work can positively influence employees' family life and health. BambooHR's antiworkaholic policy is a nice way to strongly nudge employees to get their work done in 40 hours. That, however, is not the reason for its creation. The start-up's cofounders, Ben Peterson and Ryan Sanders, want employees to have time for their families and participate in activities that bring them happiness. The belief is that if family needs are tended to, employees will be better able to focus on doing great work. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. Peterson and Sanders have the antiworkaholic policy because it aligns with their core values—organizationally and personally.
  ...
  BambooHR uses what it calls an Oops Email that goes out when people make a mistake that has a serious impact on others in the organization. There is no policy about when to send such an email or what to include in it. It's intended to remove the shame and embarrassment of making mistakes. The premise is simple: Explain what went wrong and how it will be fixed.
2. Martinez, Juan; Marvin, Rob (2017-11-18). "BambooHR Review & Rating". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  This is an over 2000-word article about BambooHR. Here is a summary:
  PROS
  
  Covers the basics and then some, with a well-organized, clean design. Stripped-down performance management module works the way more companies are running employee reviews. Easy to get up and running. Open API makes it easy to integrate with existing human resource tech vendors.
  
  CONS
  
  Priced higher than many competitors. Benefits administration functionality lags behind biggest rivals. Website is pretty but lacks functionality.
  
  BOTTOM LINE
  
  Human resources (HR) software and management system BambooHR is not the cheapest option but you get what you pay for, namely, well-organized, visually appealing tools that are simple to set up and run. An open API allows the software to be integrated with a company's existing HR tech vendors, and the performance review function fits with the way more companies are working.
3. Neely, Karissa (2017-04-27). "During live Elevate Summit, BambooHR expands its outreach to global human resources professionals". Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  Almost 300 businessmen and women attended the three-day BambooHR Elevate Summit — the first live BambooHR user conference. Clients and industry partners traveled to Utah from all over the United States, with a few coming in from as far away as Japan, Hungary, the United Kingdom, the Cayman Islands and Canada. BambooHR CEO Ben Peterson said the company has offered virtual online human resources conferences the past two years, with more than 15,000 online users. But this year, the Lindon company wanted to have an in-person event.
  ...
  Founded in 2008, BambooHR provides human resources information system software for small and medium businesses around the world, including major names like Shopify, Foursquare and Reddit. As Peterson explains, his company automates the transactional work of HR managers and employees so they then can concentrate on the human side of their work.
  ...
  Peterson also announced the launch of a new product — BambooHR Marketplace, a public integrations marketplace that offers a growing catalog of HR apps integrated with BambooHR’s software. Independent software vendors and third-party developers now build apps and market them through the BambooHR Marketplace to the thousands of small and medium businesses around the world using BambooHR.
4. Hunter, G. Shawn (2016). Small Acts of Leadership: 12 Intentional Behaviors That Lead to Big Impact. New York: Routledge. pp. 162–163. ISBN 1351818511. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The book notes:
  
  Ryan Sanders cofounded a staffing company, BambooHR, about five years ago. Tired (literally) of the go-go workaholic mentality he saw in the 1990s, he now enforces a forty-hour workweek at his company, which has specific policies to keep its employees from working overtime. If you are a BambooHR employee at your desk at 5:30 p.m., Sanders will probably visit and ask what's up. But if your work problem persists, you could be fired. One of his software developers nearly lost her job after putting in a few sixty-to seventy-hour weeks.
5. Semerad, Tony (2014-11-14). "CEO dresses as a panda? Yes, this Utah software company is a rare breed". The Salt Lake Tribune. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  BambooHR develops, sells, installs and supports personalized software for managing employee information at small- and medium-sized businesses as they outgrow spreadsheets. Created in 2008, the information-techology firm is among the top software providers in its field and is growing rapidly.
  Not surprisingly, given its niche, BambooHR appears to know a thing or two about creating a flexible workplace and happy staff. A major theme: balancing work and life. Employees are limited to 40 hours a week and shooed out of the office between 4 and 5 p.m. They're given schedule flexibility when it comes to time with family, along with 11 holidays and 15 vacation days yearly.
6. Nico, Lisa (2016-09-28). "Utah business pays employees to take paid vacations". KUTV. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  Lindon based BambooHR began a new program to encourage its employees to take time off. The growing software company pays up to $2,000 towards each of their more than 200 employees’ vacations each year.
  The company started the program last year. Employees are eligible for “paid paid vacation” after working six months. BambooHR will reimburse each employee up to $2,000 for vacation costs including hotel, transportation, and meals.
  ...
  Peterson considered other employee perks, like unlimited vacation, but ultimately decided on the paid paid vacation model.
7. Martinez, Juan (2017-02-22). "BambooHR Extends Its Expertise to Payroll Management". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  Although BambooHR (which leads its class in our HR management roundup) covers nearly every aspect of your company's HR needs, one of the major strikes we had against it was its lack of prepackaged payroll and scheduling tools. Bamboo Payroll presumably addresses this void.
  As an HR tool, BambooHR's benefits administration lets companies track custom benefit packages, including 12 different benefit types for specific employee groups. BambooHR includes the option to set a variable rate health plan, which allows you to track age-based plans and any health benefit where each individual employee pays a different, varied amount. Finally, added benefits reports allow tracking of historical benefit information for use when filling out Affordable Care Act (ACA)-compliant forms, such as the 1095-C and 1094-C. Benefits reports in BambooHR provide benefit history including eligibility, enrollment, coverage, and cost; all forms are exportable.
8. Scribner, Herb (2016-09-29). "This Utah company pays its employees $2,000 to take vacation". Deseret News. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  One Utah company wants to make sure its employees get proper work-life balance.
  So the CEO decided to pay employees to take time off.
  BambooHR, a software company based out of Lindon, Utah, actually has a new program for its employees called “paid paid vacation … where they actually pay their employees to go away and take some time off to relax,” according to The Today Show.
  The company’s program made headlines in recent weeks because of its appearance on The Today Show. The company has also been ranked as one of the best places to work in Utah.
  As WTVC-TV reported, the company pays its 200 employees about $2,000 towards their vacations every year. The program, which began last year, specifically will reimburse employees up to that amount for any purchases they make on hotels, transportation, food and other luxuries on the vacation.
9. Neely, Karissa (2016-10-28). "Les Olson honored, BambooHR named to Entrepreneur 360 list". Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  BambooHR, a Lindon-based provider of human resource solutions for small and medium-sized businesses, was recently recognized as one of the best entrepreneurial companies in America. The company was named to Entrepreneur Magazine's Entrepreneur 360 List, the most comprehensive analysis of private companies in America.
  According to Lisa Murray, chief insights officer of Entrepreneur Media, Inc., BambooHR was recognized as a well-rounded company that has mastered a balance of impact, innovation, growth and leadership.
  ...
  BambooHR continues to experience triple-digit year-over-year growth and is expanding its international foothold, now servicing over 5,000 customers in more than 100 countries worldwide.
10. Patel, Sujan (2014-11-24). "The 23 Best Business Tools Built By Startups". Entrepreneur. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  BambooHR is focused on turning human resources back into what it is supposed to be: interacting with employees, not tracking data in spreadsheets. Its interface is focused on making data (such as time off, benefits and personal information) about employees easy to search and accessible by both the HR team and the employees themselves. Its pricing structure is based on the number of employees and ranges from $69 a month to $2,999 a month for 1,500 employees (beyond that requires a custom quote).
11. Feintzeig, Rachel (2015-10-13). "Radical Idea at the Office: A 40-Hour Workweek". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 2017-12-22. Retrieved 2017-12-22.
  The article notes:
  
  Bosses at BambooHR LLC, a Lindon, Utah, human-resources software company with a firm 40-style policy, confront employees who don’t limit their hours, and even fired one for overworking. Others think limited hours means that showing up late for meetings is OK, says Ryan Sanders, BambooHR’s chief operating officer. He tells them, “It feels like you’re not putting in the full 40.”
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow BambooHR to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:51, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the promotionalism has been removed. The last edit has made it worse by adding an unsourced laundry list of "features" such as "Easy to use system" or "Accurate Reporting". Rentier (talk) 13:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rentier, "Easy to use" is a Technical term used in the Human Computer Interaction but it depends on you how you will take it promotional or technical human-centred according to design. I removed it and I think now the only technical part is present on the page and there is no promotion and advertising of business. EShami (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - clearly has significant coverage in reliable sources, as shown above. That's enough to have an article, although some uncited bits might need to be trimmed out.--greenrd (talk) 07:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
NCORP is the criterion. The coverage seems mixed between its 40 hour week and reviews of the software. Perhaps an article on the software is merited, however there isn't enough in depth coverage about the company for an article on it. All that can be said about the company is mostly what's there in the article. The stuff about the software shouldn't fall afoul off WP:NOTPROMO either. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - has hallmarks of undisclosed paid editing. RelaxedTim (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All the time and effort gone in to saving this page suggests an editor who is paid by the hour. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 00:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Spintendo, this is not a valid voting. I have added this entry that is why I am defending it and this voting is running for a specific cause which is explained by the person who tagged it. He was complaining about my writing style, I tried to improve it. So this is not a valid statement that I am getting paid to improve my contribution. EShami (talk) 16:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- promotional 'cruft' for an unremarkable private company going about its business. Sources listed above are trade press, WP:SPIP (named entrepreneur of the year) and passing mentions about young companies and happy employees. All of this suggests it's WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedia entry. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:REFBOMB, enough said. Walling us with text isn't going to help, and it's a filibustering. Hey you, yeah you! (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sock !vote struck. Lepricavark (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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