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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Skateparks in Virginia. Consensus is to merge or redirect to one of two articles. Skateparks in Virginia is seen as the more appropriate, and as information is already present, and a redirect can be actioned immediately, a redirect is the most appropriate close. The history will remain at the redirect page, so if anyone wishes to add any information to the listing at Skateparks in Virginia, they can do so. SilkTork (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashland Skate Park

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Deprodded without improvement, but with lengthy explanation on article's talk page. However, the explanation doesn't really deal with the fact that despite the article being well written and structured, this is still a small, non-notable local park for skateboarders. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 11:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 11:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:15, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or "redirect", perhaps to Ashland, Virginia, where it is mentioned. Or, would it help satisfy the deletion nominator if it was moved to Pufferbelly Park (currently a redlink) and expanded to cover the larger park's other features, etc.? The larger park is not much more exciting, but it is a higher level. Outright deletion would not be appropriate because merge/redirect to a higher level article mentioning it is feasible. Or just "Keep"ing it would be fine, frankly. --Doncram (talk) 06:30, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Blatantly non-notable. I don't care about redirects, go ahead, but it's hardly notable enough for that; only mentioned in the town article because the same author put it there, not because the half-block sized park it's in stands out (we don't need articles for every playground in a small grassy area...). Same goes for Carter Jones Skate Park. twoReywas92Talk 23:26, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, that other one is quite different. This 2015 article gives some history about it developing out of efforts of a skateboarders that formed a group, started a home-built park on their own (though on city property?), then worked with city and/or fought with bureaucracy or what-have-you for a long period, and worked with getting public support and so on. And the leader that emerged and the group that was formed gone on since to develop at least one other skatepark in Richmond (Texas beach one), or maybe two (there is a RVA Southside one). There is a lot of story here, covered in news media. The group and the leader(s) may be separately Wikipedia-notable. Not reflected at all in its current Wikipedia article. About the Ashland one, I am not aware of its origin story involving barricades in the streets, transit system shut-downs, or other drama. --Doncram (talk) 18:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Maybe this would better be merged to a list-article about skateboard parks in the state of Virginia. Which i think would need to be created. For which I think there would be at least some higher level sources. This would be more consistent with thrust of defense of article at its Talk page, which i copy in here:

    *Object. Ashland Skate Park is notable for being not only the only skate park of its kind, but the only skate park at all, in this area of the state and is heavily used by skateboarders from nearby counties and towns including skaters from the capital region of central Virginia. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find a lot of media coverage or other news about the skate park because it is in a semi-rural part of the state away from the big media centers, but it meets notability guidelines for being the only public skate park of its kind (or at all) in this part of the state. Because there are no commercial entities who have an interest in promoting the skatepark, Wikipedia is one of very few public sources of objective, unbiased information about the skatepark. PowerPCG5 (talk) 23:17, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Instead of merging/redirecting to town article. Note it is okay to close an AFD saying "merge" to a list-article that needs to be created. That is just making instructions about what needs to be done, as sometimes done in other "merge" closes. --Doncram (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Further, there is list-article Skateparks in New York City, which could be better frankly, like if it actually gave locations and had a linked {{GeoGroup}} map. It has a number of sources on the topic, and top 10 lists, whatever. I think it would be okay/good to have an overall List of skateparks (currently a redlink was a redlink, has now been created), which links out to Skateparks in New York City and a new Skateparks in Virginia (was a redlink, has now been created). Not the most exciting topic in the world, but there are articles / there is coverage / i think that the general topic of skateparks world-wide is valid, and so is "skateparks in Virginia". Some coverage includes:
On the other hand, maybe this topic is more in the vein of a travel website, i.e. to be included in WikiVoyage(?) instead? But still there is coverage in general about "skateparks in Virginia", so it should be a valid Wikipedia topic. In which this Ashland Skate Park can be mentioned, and if it is so rare in its area then it will stand out in a map included in or linked from the list-article. --Doncram (talk) 18:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
About WikiVoyage option, i browsed over there and find my way to Ashland (Virginia) article at WikiVoyage, which i think could/should mention the Ashland skatepark. In WikiVoyage, though, I think everything is organized within geography, so maybe a "list of skateparks" cannot exist there. Does anyone know for sure?--Doncram (talk) 18:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, merger to Skateparks in Virginia might be better, and if so it should certainly be mentioned in Ashland article. --Doncram (talk) 07:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I looked to see what could be merged and ended up very amused the one non-primary source in the article discusses a different Ashland Skate Park, over 2500km away. No reason to keep this, by the same token no reason it can't be in a list somewhere. SportingFlyer T·C 02:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey SportingFlyer, I'm glad you liked my little addition there. :) By your acknowledgement "no reason it can't be in a list somewhere", I interpret your "Delete" !vote to mean "Merge" or "Redirect", isn't that fair? There's no reason not to leave a redirect behind, and outright deletion is unnecessarily punitive, IMHO. The creation of this article has driven the creation of the i-think-better state-level article. --Doncram (talk) 02:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I'm mostly a delete. There's no sourced content to merge, and even though there's a couple potential redirects, there's another Ashland Skate Park in Oregon, which is secondarily sourced, so I'm not sure a redirect to a Virginia-specific skate park is helpful. I'm just noting there's no reason why we can't include it in a list. I'm not unhappy if the result isn't a delete, though (as long as it's not a keep.) SportingFlyer T·C 05:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for being, well, sporting about it. Right about there being two of that name, so simple redirect to just the Virginia's one in the Virginia list isn't quite right. It needs to be a two-item disambiguation page, technically, I guess, to point a reader to either the VA one's entry or to the Oregon one's entry, which i will be sure to create right now in List of skateparks. For this AFD, that is effectively a redirect though. And i did merge info already; i think it is more charitable to call the AFD outcome "merge". --Doncram (talk) 06:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect to Ashland, Virginia or Skateparks in Virginia in lieu of deletion. I received a request to look for sources about Skateparks in Virginia.

    Sources about Skateparks in Virginia

    1. Wright, Renee (2010). Explorer's Guide Virginia Beach, Richmond and Tidewater Virginia: Includes Williamsburg, Norfolk, and Jamestown: A Great Destination. Woodstock, Vermont: The Countryman Press. p. 108. ISBN 978-1-58157-106-6. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    2. Colbert, Judy (2019). Virginia Off the Beaten Path®: Discover Your Fun. Guilford, Connecticut: Globe Pequot Press. pp. 87–88. ISBN 978-1-4930-4265-4. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    3. Moneywise Guide to North America. London: BUNAC Travel Services. 1999. p. 165. ISBN 978-0-9526872-3-8. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    4. Wixon, Ben (2009). Skateboarding: Instruction, Programming, and Park Design. Windsor, Ontario: Human Kinetics. p. 123. ISBN 978-0-7360-7426-1. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    5. Parker, Stacy (2019-02-11). "Virginia Beach will eliminate dog and skate park fees". The Virginian-Pilot. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    6. Blum, Ian-Spiegel. "The 7 Best Skate Parks in Virginia!". Best Things Virginia. American Towns Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    7. Feldman, Jess (2019-06-26). "10 free skate parks to shred at this summer". Northern Virginia Magazine. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    8. Airey (2019-05-02). "Powhatan Springs Skate Park Officially Opens". ARLnow.com. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    9. Hood, John (2019-04-23). "Valley skate park closed until further notice". WHSV-TV. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    10. "Skateparks of the 1970s". Skateboarding Heritage Foundation. 2019-03-31. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    11. "Best Of The D.C.-Area's Skate Parks". WAMU. 2016-05-11. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    12. Hornaday, Michelle. "Skate Parks in Virginia". USA Today. Leaf Group. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.
    Sources with quotes
    1. Wright, Renee (2010). Explorer's Guide Virginia Beach, Richmond and Tidewater Virginia: Includes Williamsburg, Norfolk, and Jamestown: A Great Destination. Woodstock, Vermont: The Countryman Press. p. 108. ISBN 978-1-58157-106-6. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The book notes:

      Skate Parks

      Colonial Heights Skate Park (804-520-9204; www.colonial-heights.com/RecParks.htm), 3451 Conduit Road, Colonial Heights 23834. Located behind the Colonial Heights Technical Center. $1–2.

      Hopewell Skateboard Park (804-541-2353; www.ci.hopewell.va.us), 100 W. City Point Road, Hopewell 23860. New facility with ramps and jumps.

      Laurel Skate Park (804-672-6273; www.co.henrico.va.us/rec), 10301 Hungary Spring Road, Richmond 23228. Lighted park is free for skateboarders, inline skaters, and freestyle bikers; safety equipment required.

      Pella Virginia State Park (804-276-9622; www.ymcarichmond.org), 7540 Hull Street, Richmond 23235. Nice park at the Manchester YMCA. Annual community membership $25, plus $7 per session.

    2. Colbert, Judy (2019). Virginia Off the Beaten Path®: Discover Your Fun. Guilford, Connecticut: Globe Pequot Press. pp. 87–88. ISBN 978-1-4930-4265-4. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The book notes:

      You'll see lots of four-wheeling here, but it's of the skateboard variety, at the largest skate park in Prince William County. At the Scott D. Eagles Skatepark (pwcgov.org/government/dept/park/vetspark/Pages/Vets-Skate-Park.aspx), dedicated to a man who died young but immensely enjoyed his skateboarding while he was here (no, he didn't die of a skateboard accident), there are 7,200 square feet of bowls, bumps, moguls, a half-pipe, and smooth surfaces with sidwalk and street features for urban skaters. For those who've always wanted to try skateboarding but were reluctant to invest, skatebboards can be rented at the park.

    3. Moneywise Guide to North America. London: BUNAC Travel Services. 1999. p. 165. ISBN 978-0-9526872-3-8. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The book notes:

      Skating: Lynhaven Skatepark, Great Neck Rd & First Colonial Rd, 422-5122, or Mount Trashmore Skatepark, South Blvd & Edwin Dr, 490-0351.

    4. Wixon, Ben (2009). Skateboarding: Instruction, Programming, and Park Design. Windsor, Ontario: Human Kinetics. p. 123. ISBN 978-0-7360-7426-1. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The book notes:

      For example, the steel-surfaced half-pipe at the Veterans Park Skateboard Facility (in Woodbridge, Virginia) was constructed in 1991 and is still in use today.

    5. Parker, Stacy (2019-02-11). "Virginia Beach will eliminate dog and skate park fees". The Virginian-Pilot. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article notes:

      In 2016, the city started charging people to use its three skate parks. Attendance at Williams Farm was 19,376 in 2015. It dropped to 15,125 the following year when the fees were implemented.

    6. Blum, Ian-Spiegel. "The 7 Best Skate Parks in Virginia!". Best Things Virginia. American Towns Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article lists these skateparks:

      1. Mt. Trashmore, Virginia Beach, VA
      2. MEKOS Skate Park, Newport News, VA
      3. McIntire Skate Park, Charlottesville, VA
      4. Roanoke Skate Park, Roanoke, VA
      5. Laurel Skate Park, Glen Allen, VA
      6. Warren County Skate Park, Warren County, VA
      7. Skate Night, Fairfax, VA
    7. Feldman, Jess (2019-06-26). "10 free skate parks to shred at this summer". Northern Virginia Magazine. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article lists:

      1. Powhatan Springs Skate Park at  6020 Wilson Blvd., Arlington
      2. Wakefield Skate Park at 8100 Braddock Road, Annandale
      3. Lake Fairfax Skate Park at 1400 Lake Fairfax Drive, Reston
      4. Manassas Skate Park: Dean Park at 9501 Dean Park Lane, Manassas
      5. Scott D. Eagles Skatepark at 14300 Veterans Drive, Woodbridge
      6. Eric Brown Skate Plaza at 141 Catoctin Circle SE, Leesburg
      7. Schuyler Hamilton Jones Skatepark at 3540 Wheeler Ave., Alexandria
      8. SkatePark at Trailside Park at 1022 Crestview Drive, Herndon
      9. Dulles South Skate Park at 24950 Riding Center Drive, Chantilly
      10. Van Dyck Park at 3720 Old Lee Highway, Fairfax
    8. Airey (2019-05-02). "Powhatan Springs Skate Park Officially Opens". ARLnow.com. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article notes:

      The Powhatan Springs Skate Park will officially open this weekend, officials say.

    9. Hood, John (2019-04-23). "Valley skate park closed until further notice". WHSV-TV. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article notes:

      The Stanley Police Department has closed the town's skate park until further notice because of vandalism over the weekend, which it says has made the skate park unsafe.

      Police say it's the second time this month that Ed Good Memorial Park has been vandalized. Earlier in April, three teenagers were charged with trespassing, after damaging Easter decorations in the park after it had closed.

    10. "Skateparks of the 1970s". Skateboarding Heritage Foundation. 2019-03-31. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article notes:

      Directory courtesy of Craig B. Snyder, from A Secret History of the Ollie, Vol. 1: The 1970s (Black Salt Press).

      ...

      This directory is divided into two sections. The first section is the United States, in alphabetical order by state, and the second section is all other countries, in alphabetical order by country. Parks that are listed in orange type means they are still active. Last update: 2019-03-31

      The article notes:

      Virginia

      Concrete Pipeline, Virginia Beach

      Flow Motion Skatepark, Richmond

      Glass Glider, Roanoke

      Mount Trashmore, Virginia Beach

      Skate Mall Wall, Springfield

      Skate World, Alexandria

      Skate World West, Springfield

      Skatepark of Norfolk, Norfolk

      Skateworld, Alexandria

      The Skateboard Park, Norfolk

      Thunderbowl, Virginia Beach

    11. "Best Of The D.C.-Area's Skate Parks". WAMU. 2016-05-11. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article includes:

      1. Powhatan Springs Skatepark at 6020 Wilson Blvd. in Arlington, VA.
      2. Wakefield Skate Park at 8100 Braddock Rd. Annandale, VA.
    12. Hornaday, Michelle. "Skate Parks in Virginia". USA Today. Leaf Group. Archived from the original on 2019-11-23. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

      The article lists:

      1. Rotary Centennial Riverfront Skate Park
      2. Roanoke Skate Park
      3. Falling Creek Park
      4. McIntire Skate Park
      5. McIntire Skate Park
      6. Yowell Meadow Park
      7. Mike's Skate Park
      8. Skate High
      9. Laurel Skate Park
    Cunard (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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